Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

[jaej]

Now, the photo that was both the start and downfall of our theory of Dan possibly actually attempting to be vegan again was the under-the-fridge photo in Dan's Tinder video (the top right in the photo set under the spoiler tag down below). For some reason, I decided to zoom into the fridge and actually got lucky! The cartons on the lowest shelf seem to be dairy-free milk alternatives. The left one clearly sports the Alpro logo and red stripes that indicate an unsweetened variant. The right one could be anything, but the colour is suspiciously similar to an Oatly oat milk carton.

However, after a few hours of scouring D&P's social media accounts, videos and liveshows for food references and spending an obscene amount of time playing Phandom Pizza FBI with sparkle, I came back to the fridge photo to check what kind of rice cakes Dan is eating in it. They turned out to be Tesco's sour-cream and onion rice cakes, which aren't vegan, so the vegan!Dan theory was dead! There is nothing to suggest that he couldn't be a vegetarian, though.

(If anyone wants to know what else we found, hmu.)

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could just be phil paying more attention to his light lactose intolerance!
but vegan food's been so accessible in the uk for the last couple of years that even a lot of people who arent strictly vegan choose vegan safe options when they're easily available, and doing a little bit here and there for the enviro rather than going all the way. being so worried about being 100% perfect is why dan cancelled the vegan plans in the first place, when really anyone should be praised for making any small contribution, whether its cutting out beef, recycling a little more, using aerosols less or just being more conscious of waste
dairy gives me crazy migraines so i avoid that but i'll die for eggs

[somethingsketchy]

Now, the photo that was both the start and downfall of our theory of Dan possibly actually attempting to be vegan again was the under-the-fridge photo in Dan's Tinder video (the top right in the photo set under the spoiler tag down below). For some reason, I decided to zoom into the fridge and actually got lucky! The cartons on the lowest shelf seem to be dairy-free milk alternatives. The left one clearly sports the Alpro logo and red stripes that indicate an unsweetened variant. The right one could be anything, but the colour is suspiciously similar to an Oatly oat milk carton.

However, after a few hours of scouring D&P's social media accounts, videos and liveshows for food references and spending an obscene amount of time playing Phandom Pizza FBI with sparkle, I came back to the fridge photo to check what kind of rice cakes Dan is eating in it. They turned out to be Tesco's sour-cream and onion rice cakes, which aren't vegan, so the vegan!Dan theory was dead! There is nothing to suggest that he couldn't be a vegetarian, though.

(If anyone wants to know what else we found, hmu.)

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could just be phil paying more attention to his light lactose intolerance!
but vegan food's been so accessible in the uk for the last couple of years that even a lot of people who arent strictly vegan choose vegan safe options when they're easily available, and doing a little bit here and there for the enviro rather than going all the way. being so worried about being 100% perfect is why dan cancelled the vegan plans in the first place, when really anyone should be praised for making any small contribution, whether its cutting out beef, recycling a little more, using aerosols less or just being more conscious of waste
dairy gives me crazy migraines so i avoid that but i'll die for eggs

Yes, you are absolutely right! We actually came to the conclusion that it looks like they sometimes choose vegetarian or vegan meals and that maybe Phil has ditched lactose-free milk. We'll probably never know the truth, but in any case, I'd love them to address the environmental friendliness of even just reducing on animal products.

[lefthandedism]

Re: Dan-nus interruptus. While part of me is like, “well, I guess this is a glimpse of that annoying teen Dan said he was” I actually find it endearing. He’s done it before in joint live shows, especially whenever Phil starts trying to tell a story. This time, it actually came across as less obnoxious as he explained why (because Phil tends to leave details out that he views as essential for understanding the story). What I see from Danny is “I know you so well, in fact, possibly better than your own mum, that I am well-aware of how your creative little mind works and what you need to do to communicate with us mere mortals is slow it down and fill in the details.” Phil, in turn, is like “Well I know how you tend to zero in on the negative and end up feeling injured, you don’t mean to but you can’t help it…but I can help you. I’ll quietly show you that it’s OK to just focus on good things sometimes.” And well…why am I crying in the crypt right now.

So many people have come up with good characterizations of Deppy's this week--I guess they have been giving us good material for that! But I wanted to pull starlight-still's out from under the spoiler. This is beautiful and rings so true.

[sentinel]

Now, the photo that was both the start and downfall of our theory of Dan possibly actually attempting to be vegan again was the under-the-fridge photo in Dan's Tinder video (the top right in the photo set under the spoiler tag down below). For some reason, I decided to zoom into the fridge and actually got lucky! The cartons on the lowest shelf seem to be dairy-free milk alternatives. The left one clearly sports the Alpro logo and red stripes that indicate an unsweetened variant. The right one could be anything, but the colour is suspiciously similar to an Oatly oat milk carton.

However, after a few hours of scouring D&P's social media accounts, videos and liveshows for food references and spending an obscene amount of time playing Phandom Pizza FBI with sparkle, I came back to the fridge photo to check what kind of rice cakes Dan is eating in it. They turned out to be Tesco's sour-cream and onion rice cakes, which aren't vegan, so the vegan!Dan theory was dead! There is nothing to suggest that he couldn't be a vegetarian, though.

(If anyone wants to know what else we found, hmu.)

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Honestly, I don't get you people. Being vegan is a choice. And all around the phandom I keep seeing people who pressure Dan to go vegan (rarely, if ever, Phil. I wonder why's that.). And you know what? Some people don't want to go vegan, despite it being easily accessible nowadays. Don't turn into those people who base their entire personality on veganism.

p.s. before anyone jumps on me, I'm a vegetarian, and I hate it when people start preaching about ~teh benefitss~ of the lifestyle.

[somethingsketchy]

Now, the photo that was both the start and downfall of our theory of Dan possibly actually attempting to be vegan again was the under-the-fridge photo in Dan's Tinder video (the top right in the photo set under the spoiler tag down below). For some reason, I decided to zoom into the fridge and actually got lucky! The cartons on the lowest shelf seem to be dairy-free milk alternatives. The left one clearly sports the Alpro logo and red stripes that indicate an unsweetened variant. The right one could be anything, but the colour is suspiciously similar to an Oatly oat milk carton.

However, after a few hours of scouring D&P's social media accounts, videos and liveshows for food references and spending an obscene amount of time playing Phandom Pizza FBI with sparkle, I came back to the fridge photo to check what kind of rice cakes Dan is eating in it. They turned out to be Tesco's sour-cream and onion rice cakes, which aren't vegan, so the vegan!Dan theory was dead! There is nothing to suggest that he couldn't be a vegetarian, though.

(If anyone wants to know what else we found, hmu.)

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Honestly, I don't get you people. Being vegan is a choice. And all around the phandom I keep seeing people who pressure Dan to go vegan (rarely, if ever, Phil. I wonder why's that.). And you know what? Some people don't want to go vegan, despite it being easily accessible nowadays. Don't turn into those people who base their entire personality on veganism.

p.s. before anyone jumps on me, I'm a vegetarian, and I hate it when people start preaching about ~teh benefitss~ of the lifestyle.

Err, I don't see how trying to find out if Dan is a vegan can be seen as trying to pressure him into being one. It's not like he reads this forum.

[fancybum]

Now, the photo that was both the start and downfall of our theory of Dan possibly actually attempting to be vegan again was the under-the-fridge photo in Dan's Tinder video (the top right in the photo set under the spoiler tag down below). For some reason, I decided to zoom into the fridge and actually got lucky! The cartons on the lowest shelf seem to be dairy-free milk alternatives. The left one clearly sports the Alpro logo and red stripes that indicate an unsweetened variant. The right one could be anything, but the colour is suspiciously similar to an Oatly oat milk carton.

However, after a few hours of scouring D&P's social media accounts, videos and liveshows for food references and spending an obscene amount of time playing Phandom Pizza FBI with sparkle, I came back to the fridge photo to check what kind of rice cakes Dan is eating in it. They turned out to be Tesco's sour-cream and onion rice cakes, which aren't vegan, so the vegan!Dan theory was dead! There is nothing to suggest that he couldn't be a vegetarian, though.

(If anyone wants to know what else we found, hmu.)

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Honestly, I don't get you people. Being vegan is a choice. And all around the phandom I keep seeing people who pressure Dan to go vegan (rarely, if ever, Phil. I wonder why's that.). And you know what? Some people don't want to go vegan, despite it being easily accessible nowadays. Don't turn into those people who base their entire personality on veganism.

p.s. before anyone jumps on me, I'm a vegetarian, and I hate it when people start preaching about ~teh benefitss~ of the lifestyle.

Uh literally where in any of this was anybody pressuring Dan to be vegan or basing their entire personality on it? like. what.

(rarely, if ever, Phil. I wonder why's that.)

You don't need to wonder, the reason is literally that Dan has attempted it and has expressed interest in it, even after he went back to eating meat. And people speculate about it, like they do with everything else.

[QuiteFriendly]

Impressive work there, sparkle and somethingsketchy. I’ve been thinking about this too and I believe that he’s at least eating vegetarian. My reason is mainly remarks he have made. Just little things like changing milk to oat drink when talking about going to the store. I think that the experience he had the last time makes him more quiet about it, but Dan being Dan he just can’t help himself.

As been mentioned he doesn’t seem to have gone full vegan (last time I checked Haribo wasn’t vegan), as he seems to allow himself non-vegan foods, but I would guess that his diet is mainly vegetarian.

Sentinel, Dan has expressed interest in veganism and been quite vocal about it before, that’s why I’m interested. It has nothing to do with my own dietary choices (not vegan btw if that’s important).

[sentinel]

I guess my irritation with the whole "is Dan currently vegan? let's see if we can decipher from this miniature detail" is that last time it led to a very vocal part of the phandom behaving like he betrayed them personally when he stopped being vegan.

As far as "why never Phil", I think the reason is not that he hasn't expressed interest in it, it's just that people feel more comfortable dictating Dan's life choice's.

[000dia000]

I guess my irritation with the whole "is Dan currently vegan? let's see if we can decipher from this miniature detail" is that last time it led to a very vocal part of the phandom behaving like he betrayed them personally when he stopped being vegan.

As far as "why never Phil", I think the reason is not that he hasn't expressed interest in it, it's just that people feel more comfortable dictating Dan's life choice's.

I get what you mean about maybe a few people in the phandom being mean to Dan for giving up veganism. Small numbers. Itty bitty. I honestly couldn't care less. However, you were kind of treating people with the animosity you claimed to see, and arguing and diverting attention towards a person purely for discussing it. You're being the person you claim to despise, I see more "anti-vegan" people complaining than I have ever seen actual vegans complaining. As other people pointed out, people are discussing Dan and veganism because it's something that Dan has discussed in the past. There's nothing wrong with being vegan, and there's nothing wrong with going on and off periods of being vegan, or a partially vegetarian lifestyle. It's healthy, not a bad thing. I would care more about 12 years tweeting "fuck me daddy" at them and getting hundreds of likes.

Regarding people kind of dictating Dan's life's choices...that I agree to an extent. I could see this with people and the whole painting fingernail debate and how Dan is supposedly breaking gender roles (the phandom set a low bar). However, it's not completely out of the blue, Dan would discuss gender roles in the past and he has made these decisions himself. I digress. I agree that the phandom at times can not so subtly hint at what they want Dan/Phil to behave, dress as and treat them like ken dolls, but they are grown men who are also capable of making their own decisions. And like I said, even the kind of trends that occur in the phandom are usually the result of something Dan has already discussed, implied interest in, so aren't completely out of the blue.

I could say a million things about how and why the phandom like to specualte and dictate Dan's life choices (more so than Phil's) but we won't get anywhere. I predict a vicious argument anyway, so why bother, I'm tapping out now. The phandom is the way it is. If you're particularly annoyed that people tend to focus on Dan more, start beef about Phil. That goes for other people, and vice versa.

[rizzo]

Now, the photo that was both the start and downfall of our theory of Dan possibly actually attempting to be vegan again was the under-the-fridge photo in Dan's Tinder video (the top right in the photo set under the spoiler tag down below). For some reason, I decided to zoom into the fridge and actually got lucky! The cartons on the lowest shelf seem to be dairy-free milk alternatives. The left one clearly sports the Alpro logo and red stripes that indicate an unsweetened variant. The right one could be anything, but the colour is suspiciously similar to an Oatly oat milk carton.

However, after a few hours of scouring D&P's social media accounts, videos and liveshows for food references and spending an obscene amount of time playing Phandom Pizza FBI with sparkle, I came back to the fridge photo to check what kind of rice cakes Dan is eating in it. They turned out to be Tesco's sour-cream and onion rice cakes, which aren't vegan, so the vegan!Dan theory was dead! There is nothing to suggest that he couldn't be a vegetarian, though.

(If anyone wants to know what else we found, hmu.)

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could just be phil paying more attention to his light lactose intolerance!
but vegan food's been so accessible in the uk for the last couple of years that even a lot of people who arent strictly vegan choose vegan safe options when they're easily available, and doing a little bit here and there for the enviro rather than going all the way. being so worried about being 100% perfect is why dan cancelled the vegan plans in the first place, when really anyone should be praised for making any small contribution, whether its cutting out beef, recycling a little more, using aerosols less or just being more conscious of waste
dairy gives me crazy migraines so i avoid that but i'll die for eggs

Yes, you are absolutely right! We actually came to the conclusion that it looks like they sometimes choose vegetarian or vegan meals and that maybe Phil has ditched lactose-free milk. We'll probably never know the truth, but in any case, I'd love them to address the environmental friendliness of even just reducing on animal products.

I kinda love this silly sherlock-ing. These minute details about their milk have me more excited than I should probably be over... milk.

It's worth also considering that one of their closest friends (Wirrow) is vegan. So, outside of casually making vegan and vegetarian choices, they're also often put into situations where they don't have that choice. Like, a board-game-and-snacks night will have to be vegan, restaurants they go to together will (ideally) have to have easy vegan options. I'm sure he's an influence on their eating habits, even when they're not hanging out with him.

In that vein, I've wanted to bring this up for a while now, but has anyone noticed that Dan's looking a bit leaner recently? Phil as well, but it's not quite as noticeable on him. This isn't good or bad in anyway, but I have a feeling that they're either (a) actually sticking to those workouts they've casually mentioned or (b) are putting a lot of physical effort into moving and renovating their new home something. Perhaps it's both, but then, like... wow, unrelatable.

[Catallena]

In that vein, I've wanted to bring this up for a while now, but has anyone noticed that Dan's looking a bit leaner recently? Phil as well, but it's not quite as noticeable on him. This isn't good or bad in anyway, but I have a feeling that they're either (a) actually sticking to those workouts they've casually mentioned or (b) are putting a lot of physical effort into moving and renovating their new home something. Perhaps it's both, but then, like... wow, unrelatable.

D&P seem to constantly fluctuate in weight though, I've stopped looking for change in lifestyle changes behind it years ago. They usually look leaner during summer imo.

[SquishPhan]

[lizard queen]

Definitely glad to be reading here - I'm quite impressed by your dedication and observation skills. Funny how a sentence can fuel such a long and entertaining discussion. I first shook my head in disbelief regarding Dan's dining disaster, but... well, I once put toast in the microwave.

As been mentioned he doesn’t seem to have gone full vegan (last time I checked Haribo wasn’t vegan), as he seems to allow himself non-vegan foods, but I would guess that his diet is mainly vegetarian..

There are some sweets by Haribo that are vegan, but 95% contain gelatin, which isn't considered vegetarian. Gelatin is something some ''vegetarians'' forget about, though. It sure feels less carnivorous to bite off the head of a gummy bear than to eat a steak.

[onetruetrash]

I'm surprised that no one had posted this here, so I figured I should.

I feel like this might not be real. I did some digging and I found out that the Josh Glancy that apparently interviewed them has interviewed Dan and Phil before and apparently caused some drama. I also couldn't find this interview anywhere.

[captainspacecoat]

I'm surprised that no one had posted this here, so I figured I should.

I feel like this might not be real. I did some digging and I found out that the Josh Glancy that apparently interviewed them has interviewed Dan and Phil before and apparently caused some drama. I also couldn't find this interview anywhere.

I think you're right, it doesn't seem real to me. From looking at the Times website you can see that this is Josh Glancy's most recent article: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news ... -h66ntw7b3

I feel like smilinghowell just photoshopped that article to stir drama, given that Glancy's last interview was kind of infamous in the phandom. Also the fact that smilinghowell only has one tweet (this one) is suspicious...

[brekkyfood]

I'm surprised that no one had posted this here, so I figured I should.

I feel like this might not be real. I did some digging and I found out that the Josh Glancy that apparently interviewed them has interviewed Dan and Phil before and apparently caused some drama. I also couldn't find this interview anywhere.

I think you're right, it doesn't seem real to me. From looking at the Times website you can see that this is Josh Glancy's most recent article: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news ... -h66ntw7b3

I feel like smilinghowell just photoshopped that article to stir drama, given that Glancy's last interview was kind of infamous in the phandom. Also the fact that smilinghowell only has one tweet (this one) is suspicious...

from what i can gather from looking at other sunday times articles the text in the summary also doesn't fit the style rules of the sunday times. if it was real the 10 and the 2 would be written as words rather than numerals, youtube would have a capital 't' and there would be no full stop on the end. so yeah it's definitely fake (not that we needed any more proof but anyway i was bored)

[Phantasy]

Now, the photo that was both the start and downfall of our theory of Dan possibly actually attempting to be vegan again was the under-the-fridge photo in Dan's Tinder video (the top right in the photo set under the spoiler tag down below). For some reason, I decided to zoom into the fridge and actually got lucky! The cartons on the lowest shelf seem to be dairy-free milk alternatives. The left one clearly sports the Alpro logo and red stripes that indicate an unsweetened variant. The right one could be anything, but the colour is suspiciously similar to an Oatly oat milk carton.

However, after a few hours of scouring D&P's social media accounts, videos and liveshows for food references and spending an obscene amount of time playing Phandom Pizza FBI with sparkle, I came back to the fridge photo to check what kind of rice cakes Dan is eating in it. They turned out to be Tesco's sour-cream and onion rice cakes, which aren't vegan, so the vegan!Dan theory was dead! There is nothing to suggest that he couldn't be a vegetarian, though.

(If anyone wants to know what else we found, hmu.)

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could just be phil paying more attention to his light lactose intolerance!
but vegan food's been so accessible in the uk for the last couple of years that even a lot of people who arent strictly vegan choose vegan safe options when they're easily available, and doing a little bit here and there for the enviro rather than going all the way. being so worried about being 100% perfect is why dan cancelled the vegan plans in the first place, when really anyone should be praised for making any small contribution, whether its cutting out beef, recycling a little more, using aerosols less or just being more conscious of waste
dairy gives me crazy migraines so i avoid that but i'll die for eggs

Yes, you are absolutely right! We actually came to the conclusion that it looks like they sometimes choose vegetarian or vegan meals and that maybe Phil has ditched lactose-free milk. We'll probably never know the truth, but in any case, I'd love them to address the environmental friendliness of even just reducing on animal products.

...

It's worth also considering that one of their closest friends (Wirrow) is vegan. So, outside of casually making vegan and vegetarian choices, they're also often put into situations where they don't have that choice. Like, a board-game-and-snacks night will have to be vegan, restaurants they go to together will (ideally) have to have easy vegan options. I'm sure he's an influence on their eating habits, even when they're not hanging out with him.

...

Not to mention Dan's brother is vegan and has been for several years (also, he's a cycling enthusiast)... so there's that unavoidable familial aspect as well that probably plays into it.

[Susanisnotafish]

Dan looks really handsome in the Dream Daddy video

I'm glad you decided to stick around. Not sure how serious to take this post tho. I mean yes he did look handsome!

[LtrllySusan]

Predictions for next week! Place your bets now :geek:

I think we might get a DINOF video today. Dan said it was in the making on Thursday, and there's been 2 days since Dream Daddy.

Tuesday will have a Dan LS since he cancelled the last one and so he can talk about the video.

Thursday is the mysterious event with that TV host whose name I forgot (not British, don't hate me), so no Phil LS but I predict a Sims video.

Saturday or Sunday they'll try the gaming stream. I personally hope it'll be at least 1.5h, else it's barely worth starting and they'll need some time to warm up probably.

[capybantsa]

Meanwhile I'm like the opposite of a vegetarian lol
We might disagree about what a healthy diet looks like, but I'm glad if they're at least trying. It's important to take care of your body to the best of your ability :mrgreen:

There are some sweets by Haribo that are vegan, but 95% contain gelatin, which isn't considered vegetarian. Gelatin is something some ''vegetarians'' forget about, though. It sure feels less carnivorous to bite off the head of a gummy bear than to eat a steak.

Pretty much all gummies here are made with gelatin too, as well as marshmallows, and many desserts. I've tried gummies without gelatin... I'd rather just eat nothing

Dan looks really handsome in the Dream Daddy video

I'm glad you decided to stick around. Not sure how serious to take this post tho. I mean yes he did look handsome!

Thanks

I seriously thought he looked handsome



these smilies are killing me

[willowgarden]

Now, the photo that was both the start and downfall of our theory of Dan possibly actually attempting to be vegan again was the under-the-fridge photo in Dan's Tinder video (the top right in the photo set under the spoiler tag down below). For some reason, I decided to zoom into the fridge and actually got lucky! The cartons on the lowest shelf seem to be dairy-free milk alternatives. The left one clearly sports the Alpro logo and red stripes that indicate an unsweetened variant. The right one could be anything, but the colour is suspiciously similar to an Oatly oat milk carton.

However, after a few hours of scouring D&P's social media accounts, videos and liveshows for food references and spending an obscene amount of time playing Phandom Pizza FBI with sparkle, I came back to the fridge photo to check what kind of rice cakes Dan is eating in it. They turned out to be Tesco's sour-cream and onion rice cakes, which aren't vegan, so the vegan!Dan theory was dead! There is nothing to suggest that he couldn't be a vegetarian, though.

(If anyone wants to know what else we found, hmu.)

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could just be phil paying more attention to his light lactose intolerance!
but vegan food's been so accessible in the uk for the last couple of years that even a lot of people who arent strictly vegan choose vegan safe options when they're easily available, and doing a little bit here and there for the enviro rather than going all the way. being so worried about being 100% perfect is why dan cancelled the vegan plans in the first place, when really anyone should be praised for making any small contribution, whether its cutting out beef, recycling a little more, using aerosols less or just being more conscious of waste
dairy gives me crazy migraines so i avoid that but i'll die for eggs

Yes, you are absolutely right! We actually came to the conclusion that it looks like they sometimes choose vegetarian or vegan meals and that maybe Phil has ditched lactose-free milk. We'll probably never know the truth, but in any case, I'd love them to address the environmental friendliness of even just reducing on animal products.

...

It's worth also considering that one of their closest friends (Wirrow) is vegan. So, outside of casually making vegan and vegetarian choices, they're also often put into situations where they don't have that choice. Like, a board-game-and-snacks night will have to be vegan, restaurants they go to together will (ideally) have to have easy vegan options. I'm sure he's an influence on their eating habits, even when they're not hanging out with him.

...

Not to mention Dan's brother is vegan and has been for several years (also, he's a cycling enthusiast)... so there's that unavoidable familial aspect as well that probably plays into it.

Wow y'all over here having major discussions about health, veganism, vegetarianism, and metabolism... and all I can see is the ripped white label of the Sweet Baby Ray's bottle on the lowest door shelf. They have opened that sweet and smoky nectar of the gods that Phil showed in the liveshow Florida haul.

Company Motto: "The Sauce is the Boss."

Animal, vegetable, or mineral, whatever is getting slathered in Ray's is proof that :d&p: are satisfied eaters.

[Vanderlyle]

I'm surprised that no one had posted this here, so I figured I should.

I feel like this might not be real. I did some digging and I found out that the Josh Glancy that apparently interviewed them has interviewed Dan and Phil before and apparently caused some drama. I also couldn't find this interview anywhere.

I think you're right, it doesn't seem real to me. From looking at the Times website you can see that this is Josh Glancy's most recent article: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news ... -h66ntw7b3

I feel like smilinghowell just photoshopped that article to stir drama, given that Glancy's last interview was kind of infamous in the phandom. Also the fact that smilinghowell only has one tweet (this one) is suspicious...

from what i can gather from looking at other sunday times articles the text in the summary also doesn't fit the style rules of the sunday times. if it was real the 10 and the 2 would be written as words rather than numerals, youtube would have a capital 't' and there would be no full stop on the end. so yeah it's definitely fake (not that we needed any more proof but anyway i was bored)

i don't understand the point of going to the trouble to make a fake article - why do people do that? clearly everyone is going to know it's a hoax.

[Light02]

Sorry to detract from the current discussion but I had a dream about D&P (actually mostly about Phil) that I wanted to share with you guys.

So, I was watching a gaming video they'd just released and they started talking about Phil's hair. I think Dan was complementing his short hairstyle and Phil said: "Actually, I've been meaning to grow it out." and Dan replied "Go for it. You do you, Phil."

A couple of months later on his liveshow Phil said, very casually, that he's going to transition (from MtF).

Sidenote, I really like Dan's approach to the closet, he's never come out, he just is out. He can just casually mention attraction to any gender and nobody reacts because he does it in such a relaxed "this isn't/shouldn't be seen as an important, capable-of-changing-your-view-of-me-as-a-person thing, it's just a part of who I am." type of way. I can't wait for the day when trans* people would be able to do the same.

After a typical dream time jump, I was looking at pictures of Phil after his transition for the first time. First of all, he looked gorgeous af. His hair was shoulder-length, sort of similar to how he kept it back in 2009 and he was wearing a pretty purple dress (and thus, the trend of me finding Phil attractive in my dreams while not being attracted to him irl continues). But, by far the best thing about the photo was his smile. He just looked so happy to finally be himself, it was absolutely adorable.

[sparkle]

Now, the photo that was both the start and downfall of our theory of Dan possibly actually attempting to be vegan again was the under-the-fridge photo in Dan's Tinder video (the top right in the photo set under the spoiler tag down below). For some reason, I decided to zoom into the fridge and actually got lucky! The cartons on the lowest shelf seem to be dairy-free milk alternatives. The left one clearly sports the Alpro logo and red stripes that indicate an unsweetened variant. The right one could be anything, but the colour is suspiciously similar to an Oatly oat milk carton.

However, after a few hours of scouring D&P's social media accounts, videos and liveshows for food references and spending an obscene amount of time playing Phandom Pizza FBI with sparkle, I came back to the fridge photo to check what kind of rice cakes Dan is eating in it. They turned out to be Tesco's sour-cream and onion rice cakes, which aren't vegan, so the vegan!Dan theory was dead! There is nothing to suggest that he couldn't be a vegetarian, though.

(If anyone wants to know what else we found, hmu.)

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Honestly, I don't get you people. Being vegan is a choice. And all around the phandom I keep seeing people who pressure Dan to go vegan (rarely, if ever, Phil. I wonder why's that.). And you know what? Some people don't want to go vegan, despite it being easily accessible nowadays. Don't turn into those people who base their entire personality on veganism.

p.s. before anyone jumps on me, I'm a vegetarian, and I hate it when people start preaching about ~teh benefitss~ of the lifestyle.

just wanted to address this - i'm not vegan - but I am vegetarian. I really, truly, do not care if Dan or Phil are vegetarians/vegans/anything else because it doesn't affect me. But oddly I do find myself caring about his pizza preferences because if it was a fiorentina I want him to be my best friend. Especially because he also likes cashew nuts, pretzels, and desperados which are things that very few of my friends like.

It makes sense why they'd have vegan stuff in though even if they both ate an entire cow everyday, like my best friend is vegan and whenever she stays I make an effort to get vegan snacks in and cook her something fancy. If Wirrow and Dans brother are both vegan (not to mention Phil is lactose intolerant) it would make sense for them to have alternatives in. Plus some vegan alternatives are just plain nicer, Alpro have these soy-based dessert things and the butterscotch one is amazing *imagine a pink trash can here please*

sparkle i freaking love that a fellow radioshow viewer has held a grudge so long from a call-in. i don't think he was sassing you too much, though i can see how the sink comment/can't put water on an oil fire would irritate you forever more bless you.
i miss the dan and phil show

I just wish I could answer him back - but it's been over 3 years (how?!) I need to let this go

Also I'm very *imagine an illuminati triangle here please* with Dan atm, like something is up but I can't quite work out what it might be?

[fancybum]

Also I'm very *imagine an illuminati triangle here please* with Dan atm, like something is up but I can't quite work out what it might be?

Just Dan? As in, unrelated to their possible secret project thing? Something good/something bad? And based on what? Could you elaborate pls.