You know who has a similar story to this? Felix and Marzia.Ewok wrote:Well said. I'd never really considered this angle of their origin story, but I totally see where it would inspire some younger fans to throw caution to the wind and meet up with someone they've met online because PhAn~<3 did it and they're totes in love and all, so it must be okay.
And to add to it slightly, the forum will likely go down in a few hours and stay down for a slightly more extended period of time as we hopefully - cross your fingers - get the transfer done completely. Once the move is completed, there shouldn't be any further interruptions.jesp wrote:We've managed to make a small amount of progress - over the past couple of weeks we've had some help from a couple forum members, and we really appreciate everything they've been able to do for us behind the scenes.
As of right now, we're still not able to complete the move, but we're looking to have the transfer completed over the weekend. We have been trying to minimise disruption to the forum, but often it's out of our hands. There may be short periods where the forum is unavailable over the next few days, so I do apologise for that.
We hope to be completely back to normal soon, and once again I'd like to thank everyone for sticking with us.
You are correct. I don't think Dan was actually talking about when they met, though! At 7:34, he's discussing when he took a leap to make YouTube a career, and it became more than a hobby.scientia wrote:from dizzy's timestamps:
"7:34 - Dan saying they met after he'd been doing youtube a year. "
Is this true though? Forgive me for getting my dates mixed up but I thought Dan started youtube the same year he and Phil met...?
thanks so much for posting this, it's nice to see you again too Human. i liiive for first hand observations so this was extremely satisfying.human wrote:That was SO enjoyable. Afterwards, I hugged them both and Dan said to me "hi again, thanks for coming up here to see us" (lol oops) and I told them both well done for the talk and that it was really interesting and I'd really enjoyed it and they thanked me.
^ i know how hard the admin team has been working on this, so thank you for the hours you've put in so we can continue to enjoy this board. really appreciated.alittledizzy wrote:Boosting this message in the main thread:
And to add to it slightly, the forum will likely go down in a few hours and stay down for a slightly more extended period of time as we hopefully - cross your fingers - get the transfer done completely. Once the move is completed, there shouldn't be any further interruptions.jesp wrote:We've managed to make a small amount of progress - over the past couple of weeks we've had some help from a couple forum members, and we really appreciate everything they've been able to do for us behind the scenes.
As of right now, we're still not able to complete the move, but we're looking to have the transfer completed over the weekend. We have been trying to minimise disruption to the forum, but often it's out of our hands. There may be short periods where the forum is unavailable over the next few days, so I do apologise for that.
We hope to be completely back to normal soon, and once again I'd like to thank everyone for sticking with us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6k-t7TQWrk&t=0s
0.03 to 0.42 - Phil feels REALLY strongly about Dan's orange top, which isn't even that bright (i'd call it more of an intense pastel?) which i find slightly odd. but i enjoy passion from Phil, lol.
1.12 - both are competitive about their visual art skills, even though highschool was approximately 400 years ago for both. (i say this fondly as someone Phil's age)
1.55 - they would know about waiting, since a fan caught them getting their couple portrait taken on a boardwalk in the U.S. last year
2.10 - Dan 'service' innuendo
2.30 - Dan gets Phil back for not knowing how to pronounce 'copacetic' the other week. Phil is indignant at 'reticule' being a word. Dan sort of agrees through his tone that it's pompous, so interesting to compare their behaviour when correcting one another.
2.45 to 12.50 - they mostly heckle each other in equal amounts, Phil is particularly funny, but Dan does his thing where he starts to give Phil tips and then says 'i don't know why i'm helping you', as if he can't stop himself. Dan has an interesting relationship with competitiveness. Phil then does it himself which is rarer, at 10.42. they were feeling smooshy today i think.
10.08 - Dan: 'get your hand out of the way of the screen!' i don't know why but this delivery cracked me up.
11.40 - Phil is pissed that the game judged him unfairly, Dan backs him up.
11.54 ...but then Dan says he did a better job on something and Phil mocks the word 'skyline' hilariously and Dan joins in.
12.30 - Phil: 'that looks like i drew you!' big laughs.
12.44 - Phil praises Dan's shading.
12.51 - Basic Maths With Dan and Phil
13.28 - Phil tries to headbutt Dan's arm, fails. cuuuute.
14.20 - Phil 'i can feel it in my bone'. was this deliberate? i honestly can't tell. but omg lol at Dan with the effortless pull-back. just go with the erection joke, guys, we know you want to.
14.36 to 14.42 - something about this editing makes me compare it to the last time Dan pushed the board down on Phil's face at the end of a gaming vid. it's not just the same playful joke, it's the...lack of jump cuts maybe? Dan is once again shown doing the action, and then the bashful smile afterwards as he moves away, and some semi-awkward silence. the first time obviously had a longer, flirtier, more unedited section, but this gives me the same vibes. and again with Dan showing he's awkward when he has to do the promo end screen outro on his own with minimal bounce-off from Phil. i like it, it's endearing. i wonder who edited this one.
for comparison:
(11.25 - 11.47)
Maybe the similarities are a result of the mood at the time? they were quite sweet with one another and relaxed (and with the viewers? i guess is the more important aspect) during Gamingmas, and again lately i feel that. hmm.
(we had a serious talk a few days ago and I got her to go from 'they might be together' to 'its so obvious they're together can they just admit to it already' 
) (also the gaming channel camera costs £2k?! like holy fuck)
dan howell gives me life To be fair, I believe they actually met at a party first, or through a mutual friend? Correct me if I'm wrong. It definitely didn't meet as a fan and creator, especially if you consider that Marzia isn't Pewds exact demographic (even if she likes video games) and he was still quite obscure at the time.malday wrote:You know who has a similar story to this? Felix and Marzia.Ewok wrote:Well said. I'd never really considered this angle of their origin story, but I totally see where it would inspire some younger fans to throw caution to the wind and meet up with someone they've met online because PhAn~<3 did it and they're totes in love and all, so it must be okay.So I doubt Dan and Phil downplayed their origin story as to not encourage young fans to meet, when Phil actually pointed out that people met and made friends through their videos as a plus.
I can't see them downplaying it for any other reason than privacy.
coffeepenguin wrote:My mind immediately went 'the first time he has acknowledged the mess that was the memeing of life'.George wrote:Another thing that got my attention was Dan's "occasionally you gonna do something that's really self indulgent and horrible and people are gonna be like - there was an attempt". Do you think he was talking about TABINOF trailer?
I'm quite surprised how good the numbers of the memeing of the life are. Maybe everyone watched it twice trying to make sense of it?coffeepenguin wrote:Now, that's interesting. citizen_erased said it, too, but if you look at the numbers on his channel, it didn't do so bad? It has 1K dislikes, which is what Dan usually gets from what I see under his recent videos. His rebranding video has 3K dislikes, same for the diss track (although it has four times the views, so I shouldn't maybe compare). But I don't really know how to compare these things, was the general reaction to the memes video so bad?
It has almost 2K dislikes tho, while some of Dan's latest "normal" content, like his bahama and piano teacher videos, still have under 1K. The tune it was discussed both Tumblr and here wasn't that complimentary, and I'd thought Dan caught it. 000dia000 wrote:To be fair, I believe they actually met at a party first, or through a mutual friend? Correct me if I'm wrong. It definitely didn't meet as a fan and creator, especially if you consider that Marzia isn't Pewds exact demographic (even if she likes video games) and he was still quite obscure at the time.
I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit, sorry. I heard you out. I disagree. "Be normal"?? They are being normal. They're not trying to be ambiguous about their bed situation, they've actually been nothing but completely clear about that. Before you posted I was just going to come in with another tiring post about what exactly people think they're saying when they say 'Phil's room is a set' because.. what does that mean? In the last place, Dan's room was apparently a fucking nightmare mess outside the scope of the camera (clothes everywhere and whatever), but the parts filmed were always immaculate. Did that make his room a set? The answer has to be at least partly yes, as with just about anywhere else they bother to put on camera. What about Phil's old room? It's the same thing, so why didn't everybody chime in at every chance about what a set it was like they feel the need to now? The gaming room is a set you guys lol where's the tinfoil. Nothing has actually changed, I guess apart from the size of his room, which he gave a valid 'reason' for (sacrificing space to the gaming room instead). We literally have no idea where they sleep, only where they say they do, or imply they do (a la Sleepless Nights). There's no ambiguity on their end about that, that is 100% on the audience wanting to feel superior for 'knowing better'. So saying D&P should clear it up when they haven't even been unclear about that can only be some kind of request to 'come out'. Like literally what aren't they being clear about here that falls on them to somehow correct?000dia000 wrote: Anyway, yeah, I'm just going to put this out there, but it's strange seeing the group mentality here of people's very sudden change in outlook on deppy's behavior. It was initially "I can't believe they're lying to us!" (that they actually do, and a lot) or at the very least tell a white lie for convenience sake. However, I see that the general consensus is suddenly to switch to defending them whenever they choose to do something, basing it upon their relationship and how because they are a closeted couple they need defending. I'm not sure anyone will agree with me, and a lot more of you will be very much like ????????? at me. I feel that there's less a diverse response now, or if there is any, people are beaten into agreeing and following what the general masses are saying. What I think? They lie sometimes, and that's perfectly fine where appropriate. However IDB is dangerously closing in and accepting their very frequent white lies as perfectly fine.
Dan/Phil allude to sleeping in separate beds? They're a closeted couple! It's normal for couples to sleep in different beds! Rather than the obvious answer in that they maybe they like the shipbaiting without the knock on effect of people knowing their personal life? Does anybody else feel at times that they as an audience member feel deluded? That even if they're a real couple they're being toyed along in this game? Even if you feel that phan is real, 100 percent sure about it, the sort of trust and defense people place in them and their relationship, regardless of what they say and the very mixed messages they give is just tiring.
I know I'm going to get the same response of "they have no obligation to share their relationship" and "but their privacy!!!" but here me out for one second? I'm just tired of the ambiguity sometimes, and would just prefer less "two beds" situation and more "what beds? who cares" where they just don't talk about it. People place so much trust in them that they excuse whatever they do, because they think deppy are hiding some deep secret of their relationship, or are somehow struggling. Are they struggling? They could fix a lot of their issues by dropping a lot of the walls and defense mechanisms they've put up, they don't have to come out, but could be normal, act normal. They're playing this act and it's tiring, and it's tiring reading people defend it all the time. Maybe just drop the consensus that they are perfectly oblivious and are actually fully aware of what they're doing.
Like what does this mean other than they need to 1. be clearer (...'come out'?) or 2. hide more things. How does 'being normal' equal 'just pretending they don't sleep anywhere at all rather than discuss it in any way shape or form, normal people don't even have bedrooms' (again, when they're actually quite clear about that specifically..??). I don't fully understand the complaint here, like how is it on them that the audience chooses not to believe things they are clearly saying.I'm just tired of the ambiguity sometimes, and would just prefer less "two beds" situation and more "what beds? who cares" where they just don't talk about it
I think we're on very different pages, sorry. I'm not sure how to respond because you were talking about bedrooms being sets when I was just talking about how sometimes I find that some arguments on here can be a bit dismissive of how their one-step-forward-two-steps-back schtick and how that can be annoying. What I find annoying sometimes is how they deliberately put forward "seeds" of them being friends on their channels, and how people have just become accepting of it. It's just annoying, aren't you annoyed sometimes?fancybum wrote: I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit, sorry. I heard you out. I disagree. "Be normal"?? They are being normal. They're not trying to be ambiguous about their bed situation, they've actually been nothing but completely clear about that. Before you posted I was just going to come in with another tiring post about what exactly people think they're saying when they say 'Phil's room is a set' because.. what does that mean? In the last place, Dan's room was apparently a fucking nightmare mess outside the scope of the camera (clothes everywhere and whatever), but the parts filmed were always immaculate. Did that make his room a set? The answer has to be at least partly yes, as with just about anywhere else they bother to put on camera. What about Phil's old room? It's the same thing, so why didn't everybody chime in at every chance about what a set it was like they feel the need to now? The gaming room is a set you guys lol where's the tinfoil. Nothing has actually changed, I guess apart from the size of his room, which he gave a valid 'reason' for (sacrificing space to the gaming room instead). We literally have no idea where they sleep, only where they say they do, or imply they do (a la Sleepless Nights). There's no ambiguity on their end about that, that is 100% on the audience wanting to feel superior for 'knowing better'. So saying D&P should clear it up when they haven't even been unclear about that can only be some kind of request to 'come out'. Like literally what aren't they being clear about here that falls on them to somehow correct?Like what does this mean other than they need to 1. be clearer (...'come out'?) or 2. hide more things. How does 'being normal' equal 'just pretending they don't sleep anywhere at all rather than discuss it in any way shape or form, normal people don't even have bedrooms' (again, when they're actually quite clear about that specifically..??). I don't fully understand the complaint here, like how is it on them that the audience chooses not to believe things they are clearly saying.I'm just tired of the ambiguity sometimes, and would just prefer less "two beds" situation and more "what beds? who cares" where they just don't talk about it
I don't have time to write out a full response, but I just want to mention that people have a right to change their opinions on something when presented with an alternate point of view; that's what happens on IDB all the time. People were quick to get upset about D&P's newest take on their origin story, but a lot of minds changed or partially changed after reading some well thought out posts saying it's not a big deal. This is always happening on idb, the whole point of discourse is to be open to other perspectives. I can't speak for other social media phandoms, but at least idb there's a lot of heated (but good natured) debate, I honestly don't understand how we could say "people are beaten into agreeing," I mean, just look at the pages and pages of discussion on the japan merch.000dia000 wrote:
Anyway, yeah, I'm just going to put this out there, but it's strange seeing the group mentality here of people's very sudden change in outlook on deppy's behavior. It was initially "I can't believe they're lying to us!" (that they actually do, and a lot) or at the very least tell a white lie for convenience sake. However, I see that the general consensus is suddenly to switch to defending them whenever they choose to do something, basing it upon their relationship and how because they are a closeted couple they need defending. I'm not sure anyone will agree with me, and a lot more of you will be very much like ????????? at me. I feel that there's less a diverse response now, or if there is any, people are beaten into agreeing and following what the general masses are saying. What I think? They lie sometimes, and that's perfectly fine where appropriate. However IDB is dangerously closing in and accepting their very frequent white lies as perfectly fine.
Going to guess they're on a reserved Virgin train in first class - the white ticket is a reservation marker. Guessing because the seat pattern is identical to this one, and it is has a wooden panel behind it000dia000 wrote: Is Phil lying down on something? Why is there a ticket just floating in the background on what looks like a wooden floor? Is it tucked into something? What are with these angles? If this was taken today, does that mean they are on their way back to London?
dan howell gives me life 
Ticket is a giveaway, and the wooden panel and leather-look seat for first class. His eyes look amazing, so much shine and grey for some reason. It's interesting to see such a close-up of the shape of his eyes and eyebrows.Sorry I zeroed in on the bed mention because I am always was already annoyed about it, but that wasn't the point of what you were saying. Did you mean they put forward seeds of being more than friends? Because I just.. disagree with that and am not annoyed with what people like to call their "boyfriend-y" behaviour. They say they're friends, and they act like friends. If there is more beyond that that potentially turns up in actions rather than labels, I'm very much not annoyed about it.000dia000 wrote: I think we're on very different pages, sorry. I'm not sure how to respond because you were talking about bedrooms being sets when I was just talking about how sometimes I find that some arguments on here can be a bit dismissive of how their one-step-forward-two-steps-back schtick and how that can be annoying. What I find annoying sometimes is how they deliberately put forward "seeds" of them being friends on their channels, and how people have just become accepting of it. It's just annoying, aren't you annoyed sometimes?
Okay taking the bed thing out altogether, the issue is... that they're profiting off of people being very invested in something uncomfirmed by them? Like they get to keep their privacy to some extent while still reeling people in on ~ambiguity? I mean.. shrug. In comes the old chestnut of results not being the intent. They can't stop people shipping them- like if they confirmed one way or the other, interest/intensity of said interest may change/lessen, but people are going to keep on shipping them if they feel like it (and if it was confirmed to not be true, uh tinhatters are going to keep tinhatting lololol) the fact is that if they are together and don't want to tell people that, then they can really only do what they're doing, which is act how they want to act with each other (and whoops I guess sometimes those actions can be judged as 'two steps forward two steps back' (if you think certain things already..) depending on setting and comfort levels but humans gonna human) and let us all think whatever it is we're going to think about it (which can't be stated enough: people will do either way, I guess just with more forced logic or stubbornness).000dia000 wrote:What I think? They lie sometimes, and that's perfectly fine where appropriate. However IDB is dangerously closing in and accepting their very frequent white lies as perfectly fine.
Dan/Phil allude to sleeping in separate beds? They're a closeted couple! It's normal for couples to sleep in different beds! Rather than the obvious answer in that they maybe they like the shipbaiting without the knock on effect of people knowing their personal life? Does anybody else feel at times that they as an audience member feel deluded? That even if they're a real couple they're being toyed along in this game? Even if you feel that phan is real, 100 percent sure about it, the sort of trust and defense people place in them and their relationship, regardless of what they say and the very mixed messages they give is just tiring.
i really like what you've written here, like you said sometimes there aren't many diverse opinions here. with any kind of group discussion people tend to go along with whatever the group decides and it's nice to see someone willing to disagree even when i agreed with the majority of people here (i am in no way saying that anyone here bullies others into agreeing its just a thing people do sometimes and its no ones fault)000dia000 wrote: Anyway, yeah, I'm just going to put this out there, but it's strange seeing the group mentality here of people's very sudden change in outlook on deppy's behavior. It was initially "I can't believe they're lying to us!" (that they actually do, and a lot) or at the very least tell a white lie for convenience sake. However, I see that the general consensus is suddenly to switch to defending them whenever they choose to do something, basing it upon their relationship and how because they are a closeted couple they need defending. I'm not sure anyone will agree with me, and a lot more of you will be very much like ????????? at me. I feel that there's less a diverse response now, or if there is any, people are beaten into agreeing and following what the general masses are saying. What I think? They lie sometimes, and that's perfectly fine where appropriate. However IDB is dangerously closing in and accepting their very frequent white lies as perfectly fine.
Dan/Phil allude to sleeping in separate beds? They're a closeted couple! It's normal for couples to sleep in different beds! Rather than the obvious answer in that they maybe they like the shipbaiting without the knock on effect of people knowing their personal life? Does anybody else feel at times that they as an audience member feel deluded? That even if they're a real couple they're being toyed along in this game? Even if you feel that phan is real, 100 percent sure about it, the sort of trust and defense people place in them and their relationship, regardless of what they say and the very mixed messages they give is just tiring.
I know I'm going to get the same response of "they have no obligation to share their relationship" and "but their privacy!!!" but here me out for one second? I'm just tired of the ambiguity sometimes, and would just prefer less "two beds" situation and more "what beds? who cares" where they just don't talk about it. People place so much trust in them that they excuse whatever they do, because they think deppy are hiding some deep secret of their relationship, or are somehow struggling. Are they struggling? They could fix a lot of their issues by dropping a lot of the walls and defense mechanisms they've put up, they don't have to come out, but could be normal, act normal. They're playing this act and it's tiring, and it's tiring reading people defend it all the time. Maybe just drop the consensus that they are perfectly oblivious and are actually fully aware of what they're doing.
) talking sht about marianne on twitter? i see some of you confronting her and her being immature and nasty to you. if any of you want to private message me i can give you tea on her lmao. googleniall is known for making up this kind of bs rumours dan howell gives me life 
(Or who knows... maybe better?) 
