Dan & Phil Part 50: Should we kiss now?

[flarequake]

Interesting discussion on the liveshows, though I thought the estimate of 5k people buying bars seems huge. People need them for most of the gifts, though, I guess so most of the thumbs up and sheep stickers as well as messages, tips and onscreen explosions? It's blowing my mind to think they get £5k a time, I thought last time the conclusion was £1-2k which is huge enough. Damn, house-buying and all the holidays aside, after a while there's only so much you can even do with all that. Charity on a serious level too, I guess. Crazy how things work out for some people (i heard it said that it's luck of timing to be one of the few for whom something like the first wave of YouTube stardom takes off [inventing a computer operating system was the example], hard work notwithstanding too).

[capybantsa]

Coming out of lurking to say hi and to point out that as much as I love the japan!wedding theory, Japan does not have legal gay marriage right now (some cities are allowing things like samesex partner registration but 1. I think that started happening after 2015? and 2. that wouldn't be of much use to dan&phil)

Though I suppose they could've gotten engaged or had their honeymoon there. But a phan wedding in Japan is impossible.

(I also just woke up after very little sleep so my English might still be a bit messy, sorry! Hi! Going back to lurking for a bit now! Nice to meet y'all )

I don't know how it is in your country, but in Japan you can have a symbolic wedding ceremony even if the government doesn't recognize your union. You can have a wedding with your dog if you want lol

Besides, D&P aren't living in Japan, so they don't have to worry about registering the marriage here.

[Birdie]

That doesn’t change the fact that getting married in Japan is impossible for same-sex couples. I doubt someone would travel all the way to Japan to have a symbolic ceremony that doesn’t really mean anything apart from having emotional significance. Like, if you’re from a country that allows equal marriage, why not get married there instead of going halfway across the world for a symbolic ceremony? This doesn’t mean they couldn’t have had their honeymoon there though of course.

I don’t believe this though. I think they just really like the “low-key” Japhan branding so they keep using it, they’re both a bit weeaboo-ish. Although I think it’s weird either way because Dan knows what appropriation is. He’s talked about it before and he seems to care. But using another language just for the aesthetics kinda is appropriation so I think it’s kind of weird he’s okay with it (unless of course he doesn’t know as much about the topic as he seems to).

The discussion has moved on, so Marcus Butler under the spoiler:

I'm really disappointed actually. Marcus was never the sharpest tool in the shed and his content was never too original but I used to watch his side channel just for the fun of it up until a few months ago. Using two Youtube peers and their fans for money is just icky. It's not new, especially when it comes to deppy, but every time another Youtuber does it, I'm weirded out all over again. And I hate that he dragged idb into it. This is a private corner of the internet (as far as private goes online) that deppy aren't meant to see and Marcus dragged your theories onto Youtube, where millions of people will see them and think you guys are actually serious. The video isn't just lazy in my opinion (if I was the original writer of the article he basically just read aloud, I'd be so pissed), it's also deceitful. If he read the thread, he must know y'all were joking but he presented it as though you're all tinhats who actually believe in that stuff, belittling the phandom for the laughs yet again.

Also deppy are literally people he knows. Is the extra cash (jaej's right, he doesn't need this money or the views, he's pretty popular, but he obviously wants them anyway) so important to him that he's okay with basically spreading gossip about people he knows? At this point Deppy are basically Youtube legends and I bet Marcus dreams about reaching that level at night. But I wonder if people like him, or Shane for that matter, even still realise they're people. They've met them and talked to them and all but they don't seem to have much respect for deppy as people if they're willing to use their names and pictures for easy cash.

[capybantsa]

I'm not saying I believe they got married on the Japan trip, but aren't destination weddings pretty popular? There's a whole industry dedicated to it.

[sparkle]

re: appropriation. Eh. Without going into a rant, and admitting that I literally bought one of the jumpers yesterday because I'm a sucker for cherry blossom and want my next tattoo to be cherry blossom, I don't think it is. Plus appropriation is always seen as a pejorative and thats just inaccurate.

re: Japan wedding. Nah, I would be willing to be money they'd get married in Manchester 'where it all started'. Japan honeymoon I can see, but I don't think they'd go for a wedding in a foreign country. (I could be wrong and they could have had a shotgun wedding in Vegas last year) Also if you they got married do you think they'd tell us? I'm fairly sure marriage records are available online/locally in the UK, they couldn't not have a marriage certificate because they're not above the law. Purely hypothetical, but do you think in the event of them seeking a totally platonic tax break, they would tell us?

re: DanAndPhilDOG - I think that is incoming. I think that will happen if/when they move again.

also can I say if they move again, not even to a custom place but a non-rented place, I'm taking that as #PhanConfirmed.

[Birdie]

re: appropriation. Eh. Without going into a rant, and admitting that I literally bought one of the jumpers yesterday because I'm a sucker for cherry blossom and want my next tattoo to be cherry blossom, I don't think it is. Plus appropriation is always seen as a pejorative and thats just inaccurate.

I agree that it wouldn't be a super bad case or anything and no one is a bad person for liking the merch or buying it. I just think it's weird Dan doesn't mind because he seemed to be quite sensitive about the topic a few months ago. I hope you like your jumper though!

[willowgarden]

re: Japan wedding. Nah, I would be willing to be money they'd get married in Manchester 'where it all started'. Japan honeymoon I can see, but I don't think they'd go for a wedding in a foreign country. (I could be wrong and they could have had a shotgun wedding in Vegas last year) Also if you they got married do you think they'd tell us? I'm fairly sure marriage records are available online/locally in the UK, they couldn't tell us?

Yes!

Wedding speculation always makes me so I will contribute only this: we may never know about any type of commitment ceremony beyond public records, but if any one of the Japan theorists ever believe that Philip Michael Lester would engage in that particular ceremony without his mum present, you need to go deeper. This sentiment is not to attack any Japan or Vegas theories. It is, however, meant to look at what these two young men would require for such an event, should they ever deem it necessary or applicable.

[George]

Everything I have to say has probably been already said but here we go...

Moving: Dan did say 2017 was supposed to be a year for "life things". Buying a house and planning their future in the long term sounds exactly like "life things" to me. And Dan also mentioned a few weeks ago how "commitment can be scary". Sounds like the words of someone who has...committed. While I don't think they are yet in a place to plan out how many kids bedroom they will need in a forever home, buying a starter home would totally make sense, especially financially. It would be smart to buy a fixer-upper too, and I can totally get behind the theory that their house is currently under renovations.

I also remember Dan talking about how some youtubers live in Brighton, and I could see them consider to move there when it's time to raise a family. We have speculated how they might have had troubles getting a mortgage bc youtube is a wild west in the eyes of the banks, and it could be cheaper and easier to move outside London financially speaking. It don't see it happening for the few years though.

When they finally decide to make these decisions, it will became obviously clearer and clearer that phan in fact, is true (it's probably not news to anyone here tho lol). They are in an unique situation to anyone else making these decisions, because they had to figure out how it will affect their job too. What if they come out, everybody stops caring and they don't have money to pay mortgage anymore? In that light I can see 2017 openness being like testing the waters.

I would sell my soul for house hunters type of the content of them moving and planning their home, but sadly i don't think it's ever happening because of the privacy issues. (That would so be like every stereotypical gay episode on the property shows ever, cough )

Our mum: They were clearly talking about their surrogate

[iihappydaysii]

re: Japan wedding. Nah, I would be willing to be money they'd get married in Manchester 'where it all started'. Japan honeymoon I can see, but I don't think they'd go for a wedding in a foreign country. (I could be wrong and they could have had a shotgun wedding in Vegas last year) Also if you they got married do you think they'd tell us? I'm fairly sure marriage records are available online/locally in the UK, they couldn't tell us?

Yes!

Wedding speculation always makes me so I will contribute only this: we may never know about any type of commitment ceremony beyond public records, but if any one of the Japan theorists ever believe that Philip Michael Lester would engage in that particular ceremony without his mum present, you need to go deeper. This sentiment is not to attack any Japan or Vegas theories. It is, however, meant to look at what these two young men would require for such an event, should they ever deem it necessary or applicable.

Lol this is a very accurate statement. Seeing as Japan was a last minute trip and Phil's idea, I think it's more likely that Phil proposed to Dan in Japan. Dan favorited that wedding venue tweet which could just have meant they were discussing the possibility of returning to Japan for the wedding when their parents and such could come. I might be a little biased regarding the wedding venue tweet because that is what I did when I got engaged. Like literally right after, we were looking at wedding venues online for fun.

[obscureDnPreference]

re: Japan wedding. Nah, I would be willing to be money they'd get married in Manchester 'where it all started'. Japan honeymoon I can see, but I don't think they'd go for a wedding in a foreign country. (I could be wrong and they could have had a shotgun wedding in Vegas last year) Also if you they got married do you think they'd tell us? I'm fairly sure marriage records are available online/locally in the UK, they couldn't tell us?

Yes!

Wedding speculation always makes me so I will contribute only this: we may never know about any type of commitment ceremony beyond public records, but if any one of the Japan theorists ever believe that Philip Michael Lester would engage in that particular ceremony without his mum present, you need to go deeper. This sentiment is not to attack any Japan or Vegas theories. It is, however, meant to look at what these two young men would require for such an event, should they ever deem it necessary or applicable.

Lol this is a very accurate statement. Seeing as Japan was a last minute trip and Phil's idea, I think it's more likely that Phil proposed to Dan in Japan. Dan favorited that wedding venue tweet which could just have meant they were discussing the possibility of returning to Japan for the wedding when their parents and such could come. I might be a little biased regarding the wedding venue tweet because that is what I did when I got engaged. Like literally right after, we were looking at wedding venues online for fun.

I'm so for the engagement in Japan theory.

EDIT: I just watched their Japan haul video and Dan's heart eyes are so strong. So I'm accepting engagement.

[thephandommenace]

Does anybody have a screenshot of said favourited tweet or a link to the wedding venue? Just curious

This is kinda irrelevant but I thought same-sex marriage WAS legal in one district of Tokyo, Shibuya (where the brave Hachiko reminds us all of love and loyalty). Still, I'm more inclined to believe the engagement theory.

(Though to me Singapore seemed even more romantic and it might be something they'd have never shared with us if people hadn't realised they were there... I keep thinking back to that spotting of them in the garden illuminations setting up a camera, and Phil's marshmallow drink from a fancy restaurant with fire light in the background, and how there are so many other photos from that holiday that we'll never see).

[captainspacecoat]

Wow that was a fun four pages to catch up on, this is such a genuinely pleasant conversation :')

Crash Bandicoot: I adored this video! It's definitely earned its rightful place in my top 3 dapg videos. I know nothing about the game having never played it as a kid (we never had any sort of gaming console, sad times), but oh my god it was so entertaining (/ stressful, I was dying). Agree that their banter was great - Dan was his usual loud, sweary self but it didn't come across as one-sided like it sometimes does. They both seemed to be in a good mood, and it was obvious they were enjoying themselves despite the stress of the game, and I love it when they work together like that. 10/10

Moving theory: It's such a fun theory and I'm enjoying reading everyone's thoughts! Personally I'm not 100% sold as I think there's too little information to make a definite call, and I feel like Dan especially has put a fair bit of thought into aesthetically pleasing video/liveshow backgrounds for an apartment that would only be lived in for three-ish months. Even recently (like in the last liveshow or the one before) I think he talked about changing up the shelves above the piano - would he bother if they were moving again soon? It's a lovely theory (and I would love it to be true), but the boring rational side of me is saying it's more likely 'that week in March' had to do with a secret project. Having said that though, please keep discussing the moving theory because it genuinely makes me so happy to read, it's so much fun to think about

Wedding talk: I don't think they're married personally - there's a part of me that thinks they may not actually hold marriage in particularly high esteem (although that may just be me projecting my own cynicism onto them haha). Regardless though I agree with others that Phil in particular wouldn't get married without family there.

[obscureDnPreference]

(Though to me Singapore seemed even more romantic and it might be something they'd have never shared with us if people hadn't realised they were there... I keep thinking back to that spotting of them in the garden illuminations setting up a camera, and Phil's marshmallow drink from a fancy restaurant with fire light in the background, and how there are so many other photos from that holiday that we'll never see).

Wait. They were spotted setting up a camera in a romantic locale?

[BSV]

All this wedding talk has got me thinking about a specific time when one of them said 'Marriage is just a piece of paper'? Possibly Phil? Can someone remind me when that was? Or did i just make that up?

I LOVED the new gaming video! I laughed out loud several times and literally clapped and replayed when phil swore So funny

Really looking forward to the revelation of what that week in March was about, it gives me purpose in life

Top bants recently guys, keep it up!

[sparkle]

re: Japan wedding. Nah, I would be willing to be money they'd get married in Manchester 'where it all started'. Japan honeymoon I can see, but I don't think they'd go for a wedding in a foreign country. (I could be wrong and they could have had a shotgun wedding in Vegas last year) Also if you they got married do you think they'd tell us? I'm fairly sure marriage records are available online/locally in the UK, they couldn't tell us?

Yes!

Wedding speculation always makes me so I will contribute only this: we may never know about any type of commitment ceremony beyond public records, but if any one of the Japan theorists ever believe that Philip Michael Lester would engage in that particular ceremony without his mum present, you need to go deeper. This sentiment is not to attack any Japan or Vegas theories. It is, however, meant to look at what these two young men would require for such an event, should they ever deem it necessary or applicable.

the idea of Kathryn Lester not being at her sons wedding is impossible to me, can you imagine if she found out about that? Also Dans grandma not being at Dans wedding, not gonna happen o'clock. And do you think the Howell's are going to honestly miss the opportunity to have Colin dressed up in a tiny dog suit?

Japan is cute and everything but come on, really

[thephandommenace]

(Though to me Singapore seemed even more romantic and it might be something they'd have never shared with us if people hadn't realised they were there... I keep thinking back to that spotting of them in the garden illuminations setting up a camera, and Phil's marshmallow drink from a fancy restaurant with fire light in the background, and how there are so many other photos from that holiday that we'll never see).

Wait. They were spotted setting up a camera in a romantic locale?

[offtopic]Yeah this:

Which then led to a 'why are they sitting so far apart?' discussion (around the end of the 42nd thread I think). But apparently it's a spot in Singapore which is considered quite couple-y and romantic[/offtopic]

[lurker]

All this wedding talk has got me thinking about a specific time when one of them said 'Marriage is just a piece of paper'? Possibly Phil? Can someone remind me when that was? Or did i just make that up?

it's in the video below at 8:09.

he's talking about a ball and chain, wow, don. (indicating phil) maybe you two should just be be friends, mr. "marriage is only a piece of paper". (both of them giggle) (jump cut)

[thephandommenace]

Have fun analysing what he texts the most about

[obscureDnPreference]

(Though to me Singapore seemed even more romantic and it might be something they'd have never shared with us if people hadn't realised they were there... I keep thinking back to that spotting of them in the garden illuminations setting up a camera, and Phil's marshmallow drink from a fancy restaurant with fire light in the background, and how there are so many other photos from that holiday that we'll never see).

Wait. They were spotted setting up a camera in a romantic locale?

[offtopic]Yeah this:

Which then led to a 'why are they sitting so far apart?' discussion (around the end of the 42nd thread I think). But apparently it's a spot in Singapore which is considered quite couple-y and romantic[/offtopic]

Hey thanks!

[darque_red]

I'm a total sucker for the wedding theory, but part of me has always thought that what Dan and Phil have is an unspoken agreement between the two of them that is way more than friendship, but not quite romantic love. Kinda like really extreme platonic. They don't have other friends that even come close to each other (that we know of, of course), and there are so many pictures and videos of them sitting together in a corner at parties, because even in situations with that many people around, they only want each other. Even though they literally live together and spend the majority of their time together, they'll always find each other in a crowd and shut out everyone else. As BSV pointed out, the 'marriage is a piece of paper' comment really makes me support the theory that they are/will get married for tax purposes.

My point is, I don't think they want romantic love. I think they are perfectly happy to live platonically for the rest of their lives. I also kinda hope I'm wrong because I really want sunset pics of them kissing whoops

DOGGO: As much as I am in love with the idea of them getting a dog, have you seen how much these boys travel? A cat, or literally any other pet, would maybe work. But I don't think a dog is anywhere in the near future. Right now, they're young. They have money. They're going to spend their time wisely before making any commitments like getting a pet that needs that much attention.


EDIT: I feel like this is a relevant-ish time (actually I was just reminded after someone pointed out Phil's mum not being present at the wedding make sit less likely) to bring up my theory that the reason Dan doesn't talk much about his parents-or at least when he does, it's not always very positive-is because maybe they don't support a lot of decisions? e.g youtube, Phil, and he's even said they weren't happy about him dropping out of his law degree.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I remember in a live show he once said to do what you love and to not let your family tell you what to do with your life, such as being a lawyer.

[iihappydaysii]

FYI I got the exact phrase "and I loved the idea" so I think that's kind of generic. It's the first part we need to be concerned about and likely the words girl and dog. My assumption is they're getting a dog and it's most likely a girl.

[Countllamas]

darque-red what you describe is definitely how they portray themselves in their videos & everyday life they share with the public.. it's just impossible to know if that's really how they feel about each other because they show us only this kind of manufactured/edited version of themselves
(I personally think that the chance is pretty high that there's more to it for many reasons but we'll probably never know )

Also I'm full on the train that they're moving again, I wasn't before but so many of you pointed out the possibilites & it just felt weird to me that Dan chose to do the tinder vid in their home, esp. when privacy was probably high on the list of reasons why they moved. but idk, I'm just enjoying the conspiracies

[malday]

As BSV pointed out, the 'marriage is a piece of paper' comment really makes me support the theory that they are/will get married for tax purposes.

I think Phil said "marriage is only a piece of paper if the people in it are not happy" and Dan just referenced that in the Sims video.

And damn, the the UK must have some great tax breaks for married gay couples to motivate them to get hitched solely for that purpose!

[alittledizzy]

As BSV pointed out, the 'marriage is a piece of paper' comment really makes me support the theory that they are/will get married for tax purposes.

I think Phil said "marriage is only a piece of paper if the people in it are not happy" and Dan just referenced that in the Sims video.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he was talking about Dil and Eliza in The Sims and how fans said Eliza was unhappily married, and Phil's rationale for Dil still pursuing Eliza was that marriage is only a piece of paper if you're unhappy. So I really don't think you can make any conclusions about what Phil thinks about marriage from that. Except maybe that he values a relationship as two people being happy together and wanting to be together over some kind of obligation to a symbolic commitment.

[fancybum]

I'm a total sucker for the wedding theory, but part of me has always thought that what Dan and Phil have is an unspoken agreement between the two of them that is way more than friendship, but not quite romantic love. Kinda like really extreme platonic. They don't have other friends that even come close to each other (that we know of, of course), and there are so many pictures and videos of them sitting together in a corner at parties, because even in situations with that many people around, they only want each other. Even though they literally live together and spend the majority of their time together, they'll always find each other in a crowd and shut out everyone else. As BSV pointed out, the 'marriage is a piece of paper' comment really makes me support the theory that they are/will get married for tax purposes.

My point is, I don't think they want romantic love. I think they are perfectly happy to live platonically for the rest of their lives.

This all just really makes me want to go sky-diving without a parachute.
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