Dan & Phil Part 47: Do it with Dan!

captainspacecoat · Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:04 am

Shane seemed pretty apologetic on twitter (not gonna link all the tweets as there are heaps) which I give him credit for I guess, but oh god I hope he doesn't actually do this:

That's just gonna keep the drama going and bring even more attention to the matter, and I feel like that's the last thing dnp would want. I understand why people tweeted him directly (and am fully on their side in terms of moral stance) but I feel like this is just unnecessary and would have been better off left alone. Dan and Phil don't need their battles fought for them and ahhh I don't know why this makes me cringe but it does, I wish Shane would just drop it.

edit: ah god sorry this dramatic-ass post is top of the page :/

LtrllySusan · Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:30 am

It's a good thing to be at the top of the page!

I think what he should do is what D&P want, not what their fans assume they'd want. And since they haven't said anything on the issue, I think they would want it dropped. But hey, what would he talk about on his channel then? Sorry, I am just not a fan of the going-with-the-trends kinda Youtubers that just do inconsistant silly stuff. In one of the only Shane videos I ever saw he talked about Dan's first vid/2009 Dan in a very condescending way and that has left a pretty bitter aftertaste.

onetruetrash · Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:06 am

He seems apologetic now, I hope he keeps this attitude!

phanofcats · Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:59 am

I don't think Dan will mention it. How would he respond? "Oh that's not cool Shane, thanks for outing us and saying we don't look gay enough!!" There doesn't seem to be a way he can talk about it without basically saying they are together.

On queerbaiting if they're doing it, they're doing it wrong. I was a casual viewer from 2012-14 and didn't even think about them being together until I looked into it more. They never joke about being together or mention it in anyway ever, so I'm not sure where he's getting that from. They don't act overly affectionate for the camera, the tiny bits we see are subtle and 100% genuine. The number one reason we believe they're together isn't from the way they act, it's because we know all the history. Clearly Shane didn't do enough research about anything.

Even if he did do proper research and wanted to make a full blown conspiracy video on them, he really couldn't. I know some people were angry at him because he didn't have/use enough proper evidence or look into it much. But how much could he actually say anyway? Let's just say he were to do a whole conspiracy video on phan, what if he brought up voldy? That wouldn't be okay at all in my opinion, but it would be sufficient "proof." I don't think his goal there was to actually uncover the truth, otherwise he would've looked into it more then probably wouldn't have mentioned them at all. I bet he just googled "phan proof" grabbed the first thing and that was enough for his little video.

I really hope he doesn't do a video on this He's just bringing more attention to it (but even more views for him I guess). If he actually cared about deppy and wanted to see how they felt about it, he would just talk to them. Which he obviously hasn't done because he would've dropped it. He seems to really not think they are together though so it probably never even crossed his mind

I just honestly don't understand his logic. They never make jokes about it, never even talk about it or anything. What seems so fake to him? It honestly really rude to say someone's relationship seems fake and setup. Ugh, I lose my faith in him more and more every day. (Sorry this was a mess, hope it all makes sense.)

onetruetrash · Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:55 am

This whole Shane thing is a mess. One of them, probably Dan, is gonna have to say something, which is sad.

somethingsketchy · Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:14 am

The thing that irks me most is that Shane pretends he is the victim here, as if he didn't know this would cause backlash. I mean, come on, everyone knows that the Phandom could raise a shitstorm out of basically anything, and this is not some small insignificant thing said by an irrelevant small Youtuber.

phanofcats wrote:I don't think Dan will mention it. How would he respond? "Oh that's not cool Shane, thanks for outing us and saying we don't look gay enough!!" There doesn't seem to be a way he can talk about it without basically saying they are together.

Someone mentioned earlier that D&P don't need anyone to fight their battles for them. I still think that maybe some of their peers stepping in to defend them would be a good thing because a) it would be a bigger slap on Shane's fingers, and b) that would mean that Dan doesn't necessarily need to say anything in the liveshow today, far less anything possibly "incriminating".

captainspacecoat · Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:24 am

onetruetrash wrote:This whole Shane thing is a mess. One of them, probably Dan, is gonna have to say something, which is sad.

I feel like they won't want to draw more attention to it than there already is, so if they do address it at all I imagine it'll be something like the subtle Onision shade of last year. If Shane really does go through with making a whole video talking about it (apologising I guess? is his intention? attempting to smooth things over maybe. god i hope he changes his mind and doesn't do it) then it may be harder for dnp to ignore. The liveshow later will be interesting, I wouldn't blame Dan for being in a sour mood due to all of this (although I selfishly hope he won't be as bitter Dan always stresses me out).

somethingsketchy wrote:Someone mentioned earlier that D&P don't need anyone to fight their battles for them. I still think that maybe some of their peers stepping in to defend them would be a good thing because a) it would be a bigger slap on Shane's fingers, and b) that would mean that Dan doesn't necessarily need to say anything in the liveshow today, far less anything possibly "incriminating".

Fair point, although I feel like if one of their peers were to step in and say something they'd just risk making it into an even bigger thing than it already is. Especially if it were someone with a large follower base - that just exposes the drama to people who weren't already aware of it, and while well-intentioned they could just end up causing more trouble by saying the wrong thing or fuelling the drama. I honestly think it's a tricky situation - Shane and the psychic twins were 100% in the wrong and need to know that so they don't keep doing this shit, but at the same time I feel like it's best to not give the situation undeserved attention.

During the Onision drama of last year, Dan basically said he wished people would just not give him the time of day as all he wants is attention from the phandom so the best thing to do to get him to stop is to ignore him. I think the most effective thing to do in this case is the same thing, stop giving Shane the attention he clearly wanted from the phandom by speculating about dnp. I do understand the people tweeting him though, and I don't blame them. It's a sensitive situation and I get why people felt compelled to call him out to his face.

iihappydaysii · Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:56 am

I was pretty sure that Shane was seeing this like he sees himself and Joey and he thought it was just something dumb to talk about. The frustrating thing is that it took me about 25 minutes to go from "oh they're cute. people ship them, right?" to "okay well there is actually something to this". If he did any kind of research at all, he would have realized this wasn't something to joke about. I really hope he drops it and doesn't mention it again on his channel because he still knows nothing about the situation and it's still not his business.

I hope Dan and Phil don't mention it. They don't need to, imo. It would just draw more attention to Shane, cause drama and dignify this ridiculousness. I also hope it doesn't cause them to feel uncomfortable again and modify their behavior.

cherrybomb3 · Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:04 pm

iihappydaysii wrote:I was pretty sure that Shane was seeing this like he sees himself and Joey and he thought it was just something dumb to talk about. The frustrating thing is that it took me about 25 minutes to go from "oh they're cute. people ship them, right?" to "okay well there is actually something to this". If he did any kind of research at all, he would have realized this wasn't something to joke about. I really hope he drops it and doesn't mention it again on his channel because he still knows nothing about the situation and it's still not his business.

I hope Dan and Phil don't mention it. They don't need to, imo. It would just draw more attention to Shane, cause drama and dignify this ridiculousness. I also hope it doesn't cause them to feel uncomfortable again and modify their behavior.

aaaaaa this is exactly it. pretty damn hard to play the blameless bloody victim card when its been established that he has done his 'research', looking through tweets etc

ergo, w/e but hes clearly not the innocent, friendly neighbourhood content exploiting curious individual that hes apparently pretending to be

bloody hecks

Birdie · Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:11 pm

onetruetrash wrote:He seems apologetic now, I hope he keeps this attitude!

Lol, when has he ever? Shane constantly apologises for the shit he does and then keeps right on doing it. It's always been this way with him and I doubt he'll ever change. He's saying he thought the ship was a fanmade thing but he knows deppy. He knows there's a lot more to it (whether it's real or not) than just some innocent shipping. There is no way he doesn't know that but of course he's pretending like he had no idea now that he got called out. Same old, really.

phanofcats wrote:On queerbaiting if they're doing it, they're doing it wrong. I was a casual viewer from 2012-14 and didn't even think about them being together until I looked into it more. They never joke about being together or mention it in anyway ever, so I'm not sure where he's getting that from. They don't act overly affectionate for the camera, the tiny bits we see are subtle and 100% genuine. The number one reason we believe they're together isn't from the way they act, it's because we know all the history. Clearly Shane didn't do enough research about anything.

Not to start another queerbaiting discussion but I agree with this so much! Whether they're really just best friends or together, their affection towards each other is genuine, they're not pretending to be affectionate for the views. Shane used to be one of the biggest queerbaiters on Youtube back in the day so maybe if he wants to talk about queerbaiting on Youtube, he could start with himself and finally acknowledge what he's done in the past.

iihappydaysii · Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:26 pm

How well does Shane know Dan and Phil? My assumption was that he didn't know them well. Maybe just met once or twice at YT events, especially since Shane rarely goes to those things (he hasn't done vidcon in years). I haven't seen it happen much on here since I've started lurking but there occasionally can be a false sense of YTers knowing each other more than they do. I've seen people discussing dnp hiding their relationship as impossible because all the YTers would have had to keep it secret. That's an extreme, but still. The issue is because of this false assumption, regardless of the degree of that assumption, you're still going to have number of people give Shane's words more credibility simply because he happens to also be a popular YTer.

If Dan has a live show today (still not up on their posting timelines that seem a bit shaky) I hope no one mentions it in the chat.

onetruetrash · Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:29 pm

Katka wrote:
onetruetrash wrote:He seems apologetic now, I hope he keeps this attitude!
Lol, when has he ever? Shane constantly apologises for the shit he does and then keeps right on doing it. It's always been this way with him and I doubt he'll ever change. He's saying he thought the ship was a fanmade thing but he knows deppy. He knows there's a lot more to it (whether it's real or not) than just some innocent shipping. There is no way he doesn't know that but of course he's pretending like he had no idea now that he got called out. Same old, really.

Yeah, there's no way he didn't know. If he went deep enough to find the Uma Thurman tweet, then he obviously knows it's more than that.

Even if Dan and Phil wanted to fight back, it would be even harder because it would make it seem like they had something to hide. This is kinda reminding me of the charlieskies fiasco. Just nonstop mentioning and talking and harassing them about their personal life. I wasn't there for it, but judging from screenshots, it's pretty similar. But I'm getting sidetracked. Bottom line, Shane needs to own up, stop playing dumb, and just stop talking about them.

Also, the chat is gonna be spammed talking about this I'm sure. That's what happened with Onision, who wasn't talking about their personal life and has far less subscribers than Shane.

human · Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:45 pm

Just been catching up with some of the Shane drama. I can't stand the oh so innocent tone of his tweets. Come on now. Who's he trying to kid? Of course shipping phan is srs bsnss and everyone on YouTube know it. I legit see his behaviour lately as being exactly how Tyler was prior to Troye and then Connor coming out, a sort of "I WAS THERE AND INVOLVED!" mentality, he's assuming from what he sees that something is on the horizon and wants to get a front seat to the party. Well, no cookie. So tasteless and rude.

I hope Deppy don't address it and ignore him lol.

DatCog · Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:07 pm

I clearly need to do a bit more background reading on Shane...all I know is that he's a longtime YouTuber with millions of subscribers and I don't understand why he's doing this as it just makes him look like a bit of a dick. IDB is the only place I see stuff about so is there much discussion of these latest antics anywhere else? Is it really likely that the chat tonight will be full of Shane stuff? I hope Dan ignores it anyway and I really hope Shane doesn't do a video, that just seems totally unnecessary

iihappydaysii · Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:24 pm

DatCog wrote:I clearly need to do a bit more background reading on Shane...all I know is that he's a longtime YouTuber with millions of subscribers and I don't understand why he's doing this as it just makes him look like a bit of a dick. IDB is the only place I see stuff about so is there much discussion of these latest antics anywhere else? Is it really likely that the chat tonight will be full of Shane stuff? I hope Dan ignores it anyway and I really hope Shane doesn't do a video, that just seems totally unnecessary

From what I've seen, Twitter is bursting with conversation about it. When I typed Dan and Phil into twitter search "Dan and Phil Shane" came up. Tumblr doesn't seem especially concerned but that's just an observation from the phan tag and who I currently follow.

Shane likes drama. He's said as much, that he will go into twitter and search for drama. While I'm not convinced Shane knows anything we don't, I know he knows poking the phandom will cause drama. I do operate under the assumption that Shane now believes they are together because that's what the twins said and he believes the twins. (in the same podcast, he mentions breaking down into tears bc he believed a prediction the twins made about Drew Monson (his best friend) would get in a car accident. Drew xonfirmed this story) This, as well as Shane's look of surprise when the twins says phan is real, lead me to believe that he definitely thinks there is more to the story. (Also collective groan for the fact that his co-host said dnp aren't together bc of their
shoes???)

The phan thing could have been planned and set-up, though, and Shane's shock faked. I think the twins are bitter that Dan and Phil ignore them, plus their skepticism probably also bothers them.

malday · Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:05 pm

human wrote:Just been catching up with some of the Shane drama. I can't stand the oh so innocent tone of his tweets. Come on now. Who's he trying to kid? Of course shipping phan is srs bsnss and everyone on YouTube know it. I legit see his behaviour lately as being exactly how Tyler was prior to Troye and then Connor coming out, a sort of "I WAS THERE AND INVOLVED!" mentality, he's assuming from what he sees that something is on the horizon and wants to get a front seat to the party. Well, no cookie. So tasteless and rude.

I hope Deppy don't address it and ignore him lol.

this is exactly how it looks like.

onetruetrash · Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:16 pm

DatCog wrote:IDB is the only place I see stuff about so is there much discussion of these latest antics anywhere else? Is it really likely that the chat tonight will be full of Shane stuff? I hope Dan ignores it anyway and I really hope Shane doesn't do a video, that just seems totally unnecessary

I saw a few posts on Tumblr, but it's not a shitstorm yet.

saffarinda · Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:29 pm

Honestly, I don't give Shane the views at this point. I used to really enjoy his content but it went downhill after Not Cool imo. The chat will probs be spammed with it, if Dan does a liveshow, but Dan will either ignore it or do some shady shit (which i wouldn't mind tbh).

However, about Shane digging deep - I personally think all he would've had to do is look uo "phan proof" or "phan conspiracies" to get some of the stuff like the Uma Thurman tweet. It's not a paticularly rare tweet as far as I'm aware.

Queerbaiting: The one thing I find quite amusing about the implication that they're queerbaiting, is that 18 year old Dan Howell and 22 year old Phil Lester would have decided to do much more heavily implicated actions if they truly wanted to attract an audience based on their relationship, as opposed to some flirty comments. Just seems a tad unlikely.

But on the topic, when you started watching Dan and Phil did you think friendship or relationship first? What was it that made your opinion change to relationship if you initally thought friendship (or what makes you still think friendship, as opposed to relationship)?

I think initally I just saw them in each others videos and I was like "Ah, cool they're friends" - I think it was when I watched the first pinofs and amazingdan that I started to think they were more than just friends; after that I discovered the phandom and it's just continued since then.

LtrllySusan · Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:32 pm

Can someone give me a quick summary of what happened with Onision? Google only leads me to lots of videos and rants and I kinda don't want my mood ruined right now :/

iihappydaysii · Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:37 pm

malday wrote:
human wrote:Just been catching up with some of the Shane drama. I can't stand the oh so innocent tone of his tweets. Come on now. Who's he trying to kid? Of course shipping phan is srs bsnss and everyone on YouTube know it. I legit see his behaviour lately as being exactly how Tyler was prior to Troye and then Connor coming out, a sort of "I WAS THERE AND INVOLVED!" mentality, he's assuming from what he sees that something is on the horizon and wants to get a front seat to the party. Well, no cookie. So tasteless and rude.

I hope Deppy don't address it and ignore him lol.
this is exactly how it looks like.

Im relatively new to all this, and had no idea Tyler did this. It makes me wonder though what you all think Shane is hearing or seeing that would lead him to think they're going to come out or something? I didn't think much about this but since Tyler has done it, clearly this behavior has a precedent. Has Dan and Phil's behavior changed dramatically enough recently for it to seem like this is actually on the horizon? I'm asking because I don't have much to compare it to.

sapienveneficus · Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:44 pm

saffarinda wrote:
But on the topic, when you started watching Dan and Phil did you think friendship or relationship first? What was it that made your opinion change to relationship if you initially thought friendship (or what makes you still think friendship, as opposed to relationship)?

I think initially I just saw them in each others videos and I was like "Ah, cool they're friends" - I think it was when I watched the first pinofs and amazingdan that I started to think they were more than just friends; after that I discovered the phandom and it's just continued since then.

This is an interesting question. I've been watching their videos since 2012 and, until about a year ago, I thought that they were just best friends. Then, I took a step back, and started thinking about the whole thing a bit more critically. How many guys did I know who lived together, worked together, traveled together, spent time with each other's families together, and had no other romantic relationships? Answer: none. But I think what really tipped the scales for me, before even reading the drug deal, was learning about the romantic vacation they took with Briony and Wirrow to Greece. At the time I remember thinking," Well, I can reason away a lot, but I can't reason away that." That's when I started my descent into full on status. And now, here I am.

onetruetrash · Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:48 pm

saffarinda wrote:But on the topic, when you started watching Dan and Phil did you think friendship or relationship first? What was it that made your opinion change to relationship if you initally thought friendship (or what makes you still think friendship, as opposed to relationship)?

I think initally I just saw them in each others videos and I was like "Ah, cool they're friends" - I think it was when I watched the first pinofs and amazingdan that I started to think they were more than just friends; after that I discovered the phandom and it's just continued since then.

I had heard about them from Instagram and saw people freaking about PINOF 7, so I decided to watch the first PINOF and their behavior definitely made me a little . But when I suddenly became , I began finding all the old tweets and such and obviously voldy and then I was full on .

iihappydays wrote:Im relatively new to all this, and had no idea Tyler did this. It makes me wonder though what you all think Shane is hearing or seeing that would lead him to think they're going to come out or something? I didn't think much about this but since Tyler has done it, clearly this behavior has a precedent. Has Dan and Phil's behavior changed dramatically enough recently for it to seem like this is actually on the horizon? I'm asking because I don't have much to compare it to.

Their behavior has changed drastically over the last 7 or 8 months. We're living in what Dan, and therefore us, calls the post-baking universe. Basically, ever since their most recent Halloween baking video, Dan and Phil have been much more open and commonly make sexual jokes, far more than before the baking video. And now that they've moved in together for a third time, and YouTube might not last them much longer, it seems like it's becoming more and more likely that they'll come out. Except people like Shane are probably part of the reason they are hesitant to.

EDIT: I found this amazing post on Tumblr. http://nihilist-toothpaste.tumblr.com/p ... ane-do-you

It made a really good point. If Dan and Phil want to defend themselves and say they're not queerbaiting, which they're not, they can't without coming out and saying they're queer.

saffarinda · Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:50 pm

LtrllySusan wrote:Can someone give me a quick summary of what happened with Onision? Google only leads me to lots of videos and rants and I kinda don't want my mood ruined right now :/

Without going into too much detail, Onision made loads of videos about Dan and Phil (mainly with them in the thumbnails so the phandom would click). A majority of them consisted of him complimenting Dan and then insulting Phil - although sometimes he would compliment Phil as well, but he stanned Dan. Not sure what made people ask Dan about him, perhaps the frequency of the videos - I remember people saying they wanted them to collab or something a fair bit (tried to stay away from the whole thing though tbh) but Dan ended up speaking about how he felt because he and Phil were popular, many people used them to get people in the phandom to watch their videos and they didn't like the fact that they were using them (the phandom) for views. Basically eloquently shading Onision.

Then Onision got pissed off and made a video about how he didn't like Dan anymore - I remember him mentioning how people gave them money on YouNow.

iihappydaysii · Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:56 pm

iihappydays wrote:Im relatively new to all this, and had no idea Tyler did this. It makes me wonder though what you all think Shane is hearing or seeing that would lead him to think they're going to come out or something? I didn't think much about this but since Tyler has done it, clearly this behavior has a precedent. Has Dan and Phil's behavior changed dramatically enough recently for it to seem like this is actually on the horizon? I'm asking because I don't have much to compare it to.

Their behavior has changed drastically over the last 7 or 8 months. We're living in what Dan, and therefore us, calls the post-baking universe. Basically, ever since their most recent Halloween baking video, Dan and Phil have been much more open and commonly make sexual jokes, far more than before the baking video. And now that they've moved in together for a third time, and YouTube might not last them much longer, it seems like it's becoming more and more likely that they'll come out. Except people like Shane are probably part of the reason they are hesitant to.[/quote]

Oh wow, I didn't realize the shift was that dramatic though I'd heard dan say post baking universe before. Why won't YouTube last them much longer? They still seem to be popular, but is it just about the ad revenue situation? Regardless, it makes me sad. I love YT.

onetruetrash · Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:59 pm

iihappydaysii wrote:
onetruetrash wrote:
iihappydays wrote:Im relatively new to all this, and had no idea Tyler did this. It makes me wonder though what you all think Shane is hearing or seeing that would lead him to think they're going to come out or something? I didn't think much about this but since Tyler has done it, clearly this behavior has a precedent. Has Dan and Phil's behavior changed dramatically enough recently for it to seem like this is actually on the horizon? I'm asking because I don't have much to compare it to.
Their behavior has changed drastically over the last 7 or 8 months. We're living in what Dan, and therefore us, calls the post-baking universe. Basically, ever since their most recent Halloween baking video, Dan and Phil have been much more open and commonly make sexual jokes, far more than before the baking video. And now that they've moved in together for a third time, and YouTube might not last them much longer, it seems like it's becoming more and more likely that they'll come out. Except people like Shane are probably part of the reason they are hesitant to.
Oh wow, I didn't realize the shift was that dramatic though I'd heard dan say post baking universe before. Why won't YouTube last them much longer? They still seem to be popular, but is it just about the ad revenue situation? Regardless, it makes me sad. I love YT.

Yeah, they can still survive on their little ad revenue and merch, but not forever and if you're gonna go out, may as well go out with a bang.