Dan & Phil part 27: Let's Go Home

[coffeepenguin]

The way you describe it with the way I perceive it: the "oh my god NO, you cheeky bastard" dynamic is the real thrill. The oooohhhh they almost did it! teehee giggle giggle, not if they were pretending to enjoy it. First of all it's a relatively PG show. How do I say this, it's like the selling point of the fics IS the "no homo", not that "no homo" is the side effect. They aren't selling these fic skits as tribute to fiction but more like "oooh look what you guys make us do in your spare time, how's about that eh? wink wink, what if we actually did it though? " and from the reaction of the fans, they love it. They love that wow they are actually going there oh my god look they are backing out and stopping there haha I wonder what the rest is like part of the dynamic. Even the way Dan stares at the camera at innuendo or whatever; it's a nod to the people who want to grab at it but stops right there because it's also funny.

thank you. I think I understand what you're saying, but it actually makes it worse for me? what (I think) you're talking about is deliberate fanservice where everyone involved knows it's deliberate and not in any way real. in these cases, though, there's usually some emphasis on it being for the sake of the audience and/or on the hilariousness of it. Like the salsa fanfic in PINOF, for example, it's funny because it's over the top (and they go through with it, btw). And it's on Phil's channel, so technically it's PG. or another good RPF example which I can think about (under spoiler):

so, for the obviously not real RPF pairing I can give the example of Michael Fassbender and James McAvoy after the new X-Men movies. They spoke in interviews without any awkwardness or whatever about the possibility of a relationship between their characters and when they were confronted with usual questions about their "chemistry" (and later about the ship), they played to it but also in a over the top ridiculous manner. Like, McAvoy when asked on some red carpet how they got to have such great chemistry, answered that having sex every morning during the filming helped a lot, and another time a journalist asked him what question he would like to be asked, but never was, so McAvoy said "how many times did you have sex with Michael Fassbender" and even gave an answer (which was apparently four ).

But I didn't read this emphasis with fanfiction in TATINOF, it wasn't like "stalking him until he loves you" and they could have ended it differently. Like, "ok, you've had enough" (not I've had enough) or "we don't want to raise the rating of the show" or smth. I would be a great moment to address the audience, actually. And also, with your perception of it, why do you think they didn't say anything about it in the documentary?

[blueapple_x]

The amount of antis we have lately is depressing

I just wanna say something cause it's been bugging me for the past few days, not wanting to state that you know that Phan is real doesn't make you an anti. Antis want phan to not be real at all. I'm gonna speak for myself here, I don't particularly ship phan it doesn't mean I am against the idea of them being together but rather that I don't want to have a fixed opinion on the all thing cause it makes me uncomfortable to say I know they're together or I know they're not together.
I don't think there has been a new amount of antis, cause the only antis we've had were aggressive and refused to hear others' opinions but rather people who want to be the devil's advocate or whatever you want to call it and try to have a civil discussion about the several possibilities of Phan.
It bothers me that you have to be a shipper to be able to post on this forum otherwise you'll be classified as an "anti" or "dangirl" as if it was an insult. I had to pretend to be a shipper at the beginning cause I didn't want to be rejected in a forum that is mostly on the shipping/real side of the fandom and it's not fun.

This part so much. Idk if they are a couple, happy if they are equally happy if they have someone in their lifes. I love to hear opinions that are from all sides if they don't try to come as if they hold the truth or at least not something out of a conspiracy story. I also like more dan's content more, idk why but I do, I like some of phil's solo content and all their joint one but it's bothers me how most use "dangirl" as an insult while it's acceptable to like only phil. I'm saying only let people like what they like, we are all only here to have fun

I've said many times that I'm on the fence (ie I just don't give a crap) about their relationship. It means nothing to me if they are or aren't as I don't watch them for that. This gets mistaken a lot for antiphan even though I think they would be super cute in a relationship and think they would be an ideal couple. I am in no way antiphan I just like seeing the other side of the argument sometimes for sheer discussion. It would be hella boring if we were all just in the pink trash can all the time. This doesn't mean I'm against them being together I just don't personally care either way.

The amount of antis we have lately is depressing

Why? Bc not believing in Phan somehow makes us less of a fan? or is this some kind of pro-phan only safe space forum? Not to mention you are using the rather insulting version of the term, which should really be reserved only for those that act disrespectful.

:thanks:
sometimes wish we still had the 'liking' option. Yes this was totally what i was trying to say. I don't feel like I'm being negative when I consider that they are not a couple- i just like to consider the possibilities.

I don't even know what an antiphan is because there's so much negative connotation behind it yet people have different definitions for it. A lot of people seem to view an antiphan as someone who doesn't ship it AND doesn't believe in it but those are very different things. As someone who is phanagnostic (with flexible/fluid views), "ships" them, but doesn't mind if they're not together, I totally understand the annoyance at the inconsistent definition of the term. Kinda like what happens with the terms queerbaiting/shipbaiting/fanservice--which I posted about here: http://indepthbants.com/topic427-50.html#p36925 (#spon).

[frkin-zazzed]

In regards to the moving hints: I don't understand why getting a house together would "100%" confirm phan? Sorry to bring it up, but Charlieissocoollike and [loud coughing] bought a house together before all of the shit went down, and while I recognise they were a lot younger than deppy I don't get why that could be seen as platonic but there's no way that deppy getting a house could be. Idk, just my two cents. Personally I think the "light aesthetic rebalance" Dan hinted at could be a move to somewhere bigger, especially after the #DanNeedsStorage rant on his ls

Obviously I don't want to believe they'll get separate houses/flats, but part of me is lowkey worried they will. Idk why that makes me so anxious?

In response to the question about how if feel if phan was confirmed not true: I would be pretty neutral in the situation, I fluctuate between being more inclined to believe and thinking that phan isn't real anyway, but I never counted myself as a shipper because I don't really care either way. I don't believe that they've been queerbaiting - if you look at a lot of the things that people have blown up about, deppy haven't actually done much, it's the phandom that have blown it out of proportion. I think they used to shipbait back in the day in 2009-2010, yeah, but now they're just trapped having to live with the aftermath of their young selves' mistakes. Idk, I don't really care either way if phan is real or not, im here because they're funny and relatable, not because I want them to be kissing whenever the camera's off. I feel like if phan is real it would be pretty draining for them to hide it, and tbh I'd feel a bit sorry for them.

[dezzawintz]

coffeepenguin, thank you for such a well thought out reply to my question! Your points are interesting, but there are two things that stop me from fully agreeing with you, them being the presence of the audience and the plot twist that is Dil.

For me, the joke was 'I am being controlled by a mystery source that wants me to unbutton my trousers in front of a theatre full of people, this is ludicrous' rather than 'ew, no, the idea of this is vile to me.' When Dil appears, Dan says "[he] has had the power to control us like sims this whole time", and I that's supposed to be the premise of the entire show (?) but to be fair they did cram it in in one line and one line only

I definitely see your point about the dismissive nature of it/the roast yourself mention, but I feel like there are a lot of examples of the two of them being very appreciative of the phandom's output (the main ones that come to mind are the nicer comments about phanart in their tumblr tag videos, and Dan admitting to enjoying reading youtuber RPF in his never have I ever video with Tyler, although I'm sure he's said it multiple times).

I agree that it was clumsy in its delivery, and it did toe a fine line of ridiculing fangirl culture, but I don't think they were out to mock phanfic writers, I think they were out to mock themselves. I think it was meant to be a very tongue in cheek commentary on their branding and, in a 'we're just a couple of losers who went on the internet and look what's happened' sort of way. I think you said it best yourself:

"of course, it's a smutty AU, what else it could have been, knowing our audience" with a wink-wink nudge-nudge

I reckon that's what they were going for; the whole show is supposed to be an in-joke. It was a dangerous game to play, I agree, but I really do think they had the best intentions.

[dans left hand]

In regards to the moving hints: I don't understand why getting a house together would "100%" confirm phan? Sorry to bring it up, but Charlieissocoollike and [loud coughing] bought a house together before all of the shit went down, and while I recognise they were a lot younger than deppy I don't get why that could be seen as platonic but there's no way that deppy getting a house could be.

there was a difference because charlie introduced any girlfriends he had to us.

for me, i will believe phan is real if they move into a house together. if they buy it and are not renting it

its the fact that phil is 30 in january and dan is 25. i feel they're settling down at this point.

the house will make me certain, but its okay if you guys dont share that same opinion, we are allowed to feel how we want about it! this is just what will sway my 50/50 to 100%

[papierklemmen]

Obviously I don't want to believe they'll get separate houses/flats, but part of me is lowkey worried they will. Idk why that makes me so anxious?

i have the same feeling, but then again i'm a pessimist who always expects the worst but hopes for the best. as for being anxious, well that kind of change is always either unsettling or bittersweet, depending on the circumstances. i would be upset if they decided to end their collaboration, although i wouldn't be surprised since they've done a lot together these 2-3 years and probably got tired of each other. going solo could mean growth in terms of career for both of them and while it's good, it's still a change of the status quo and it's sad.

however, i don't think they would just abruptly stop their work together. they could always rent a separate office while living in their respective flats/houses. realistically, that's what happens at some point in everybody's life. even the show "friends" ended on everyone moving out and going their separate ways.

[melon lord]

thank you. I think I understand what you're saying, but it actually makes it worse for me? what (I think) you're talking about is deliberate fanservice where everyone involved knows it's deliberate and not in any way real. in these cases, though, there's usually some emphasis on it being for the sake of the audience and/or on the hilariousness of it. Like the salsa fanfic in PINOF, for example, it's funny because it's over the top (and they go through with it, btw). And it's on Phil's channel, so technically it's PG. or another good RPF example which I can think about (under spoiler):

so, for the obviously not real RPF pairing I can give the example of Michael Fassbender and James McAvoy after the new X-Men movies. They spoke in interviews without any awkwardness or whatever about the possibility of a relationship between their characters and when they were confronted with usual questions about their "chemistry" (and later about the ship), they played to it but also in a over the top ridiculous manner. Like, McAvoy when asked on some red carpet how they got to have such great chemistry, answered that having sex every morning during the filming helped a lot, and another time a journalist asked him what question he would like to be asked, but never was, so McAvoy said "how many times did you have sex with Michael Fassbender" and even gave an answer (which was apparently four ).

But I didn't read this emphasis with fanfiction in TATINOF, it wasn't like "stalking him until he loves you" and they could have ended it differently. Like, "ok, you've had enough" (not I've had enough) or "we don't want to raise the rating of the show" or smth. I would be a great moment to address the audience, actually. And also, with your perception of it, why do you think they didn't say anything about it in the documentary?

They don't really need to say anything. Dan tweeted like "hmm interesting" when someone mentioned the space cake scenario. Plus they did it show after show so it's not a one-time thing that gets swept under the rug. Idk, for me it's purely just "here's us recognising the huge part of the phandom, the fanfics" and acting out a couple of ridiculous scenarios to a level they were comfortable with (and would be okay with parents). Going through with either scenarios more than they did would "confirm" phan because obvs if they went that far they'd be comfortable doing so (not that refusing to do it denies it).

The fans loved the nod, they loved the "how far can it get" and their reactions to it. If anything their "ew what" reaction near the end shows their true feelings? but then it could be just a joke. You can't really tell, damn their spiral of lies

One of the only times I have seen Dan clearly bothered by a phan thing was in one of the tumblr tag videos where there was phanart of dan and phil kissing at the radio station and he was thoroughly unamused like "yep okay moving on", until Phil made an observation that made it funny. There is a kind of detachment when reading fic, as opposed to seeing sexy art, imo. Art is more... in your face.

[oqua]

Hello. It is I, oqua, here with an extremely, extremely random compilation. (As always?) Anyway, here are some instances of Dan blushing or turning red.


Dan blushes/laughs as Phil draws a cat on his face.
(video)


Dan laughs and turns red as Phil guides his hand to draw a bear on a whiteboard as a sappy song plays.
(video)


Then of course there's the iconic "Lion... Babe" incident.
(video)
(screencaps by Lain!)


And finally here are these photos from VidCon 2015. Look how red his ear turns! (Btw I don’t think this is him "blushing" so much as him getting more and more stressed out as the panel goes on )
[source: genesiating (photo 1) (photo 2)]

Are there other good examples of Dan blushing that anyone can think of? Because I kind of live for it.

Also, on the subject of Dan’s face, here is a comparison of his left cheek in 2010 and 2016.

It’s cute to see some of the same freckles.

[NarrysCanary]

Hello. It is I, oqua, here with an extremely, extremely random compilation. (As always?) Anyway, here are some instances of Dan blushing or turning red.

Dan blushes/laughs as Phil draws a cat on his face.
(video)


Dan laughs and turns red as Phil guides his hand to draw a bear on a whiteboard as a sappy song plays.
(video)


Then of course there's the iconic "Lion... Babe" incident.
(video)
(screencaps by Lain!)


And finally here are these photos from VidCon 2015. Look how red his ear turns! (Btw I don’t think this is him "blushing" so much as him getting more and more stressed out as the panel goes on )
[source: genesiating (photo 1) (photo 2)]

Are there other good examples of Dan blushing that anyone can think of? Because I kind of live for it.

Also, on the subject of Dan’s face, here is a comparison of his left cheek in 2010 and 2016.

It’s cute to see some of the same freckles.

I didn't think blushing Dan was a thing I needed until now ! I love all of this thank you

[blueapple_x]

oqua

That lion babe incident is one of my favourite radioshow moments lol.

[majitzu]

I think we can see him blushing a lot in some ls. Hi oqua

[papierklemmen]

Hello. It is I, oqua, here with an extremely, extremely random compilation. (As always?) Anyway, here are some instances of Dan blushing or turning red.

Dan blushes/laughs as Phil draws a cat on his face.
(video)


Dan laughs and turns red as Phil guides his hand to draw a bear on a whiteboard as a sappy song plays.
(video)


Then of course there's the iconic "Lion... Babe" incident.
(video)
(screencaps by Lain!)


And finally here are these photos from VidCon 2015. Look how red his ear turns! (Btw I don’t think this is him "blushing" so much as him getting more and more stressed out as the panel goes on )
[source: genesiating (photo 1) (photo 2)]

Are there other good examples of Dan blushing that anyone can think of? Because I kind of live for it.

Also, on the subject of Dan’s face, here is a comparison of his left cheek in 2010 and 2016.

It’s cute to see some of the same freckles.

wow, thank you for this so much! the things i never knew i wanted!

i've never seen that lion babe moment before, that was glorious! i just love how unfazed phil is at all times and dan starts nervslaughing, i really think phil riles him up on purpose.

p.s. i noticed the "someone should make a compilation of dan blushing" comment on that lion babe video, i wonder if you got the idea from there :mrgreen:

[coffeepenguin]

no, thank you, dezzawintz, for making me think about it, I'll try to look at it as you suggested:

I reckon that's what they were going for; the whole show is supposed to be an in-joke. It was a dangerous game to play, I agree, but I really do think they had the best intentions.

melon lord, I see your point, but I can't really get behind it, because it seems too superficial from Deppy and kinda makes me lose faith in them if it's true? idk. thanks for engaging, anyway. but most importantly:

One of the only times I have seen Dan clearly bothered by a phan thing was in one of the tumblr tag videos where there was phanart of dan and phil kissing at the radio station and he was thoroughly unamused like "yep okay moving on", until Phil made an observation that made it funny. There is a kind of detachment when reading fic, as opposed to seeing sexy art, imo. Art is more... in your face.

did you really read it like that? I've always thought Dan's reaction there was more about anticipating Phil's, like "uh-oh, moving on", and Phil did have a really weird expression in the beginning, but then he found some humor in it and Dan was surprised at first, but then gladly went with it? For me, it's the same incredulous "are you including that?" face Dan had in "the 5 dollar Internet experiment" video after Phil's "I've eaten two cockles". interesting how perceptions can be so different (for me, a clear and rare example of Dan being really bothered by something Phil-related was in some liveshow in 2012, I think, when a girl asked why he's so mean to Phil)

oqua

[dans left hand]

More blushing dan please

[melon lord]

oqua bless you for the blushing dan compilation, I just need this in my life now



is it only me or did anyone have sympathy blushing when they saw those?


I had never seen lion babe, oh my his reaction needs to be framed in a museum

[papierklemmen]

absolutely unrelated to blushing dan, but flustered dan reminded of this face he makes when phil says an unexpected innuendo. i find his unprepared reaction funnier than when he knows what's coming and pulls a face

"cockies"

"ding"

[NarrysCanary]

absolutely unrelated to blushing dan, but flustered dan reminded of this face he makes when phil says an unexpected innuendo. i find his unprepared reaction funnier than when he knows what's coming and pulls a face

"cockies"

"ding"

Yes ! I love how he pushes his lips to do a "kissy mouth" (it's not really that but I don't know how to describe it better ) it makes me want Phil to do more innuendos .

[SquishPhan]

Hello. It is I, oqua, here with an extremely, extremely random compilation. (As always?) Anyway, here are some instances of Dan blushing or turning red.

Dan blushes/laughs as Phil draws a cat on his face.
(video)


Dan laughs and turns red as Phil guides his hand to draw a bear on a whiteboard as a sappy song plays.
(video)


Then of course there's the iconic "Lion... Babe" incident.
(video)
(screencaps by Lain!)


And finally here are these photos from VidCon 2015. Look how red his ear turns! (Btw I don’t think this is him "blushing" so much as him getting more and more stressed out as the panel goes on )
[source: genesiating (photo 1) (photo 2)]

Are there other good examples of Dan blushing that anyone can think of? Because I kind of live for it.

Also, on the subject of Dan’s face, here is a comparison of his left cheek in 2010 and 2016.

It’s cute to see some of the same freckles.

Didn't even know I needed this in my life until now, but apparently I do.

[rizzo]

Here for blushing Dan. Sign me right up for that! Thank you, Oqua!

Totally random side note... I was digging through old threads (genuinely can't remember why) when I realized that the original broad announcement for TATINOF and the doc said the release would be end of November. Anyone know why it got pushed so early so quickly? And now appears to not coincide at all with UK's YoutubeRed release.

Seems fishy and explains why D&P were in the editing room all day long every day...

[blueapple_x]

Here for blushing Dan. Sign me right up for that! Thank you, Oqua!

Totally random side note... I was digging through old threads (genuinely can't remember why) when I realized that the original broad announcement for TATINOF and the doc said the release would be end of November. Anyone know why it got pushed so early so quickly? And now appears to not coincide at all with UK's YoutubeRed release.

Seems fishy and explains why D&P were in the editing room all day long every day...

Maybe they pushed up the release because tatinof EU isn't happening anymore?

Did it actually say the films were definitely being released at the end of November? I genuinely don't remember but I do remember thinking that they would be released around the beginning of November because I thought that's when YT Red is launching in the UK? (Also I figured they'd release the films around/before DAPGO's release on Nov 3)

[JoeAverage]

Example: we have that recording (that I can't archive right now because god knows where that snapchat had gone to) where Dan said 'I love you and your bird nose' but it can't be a proof because Dan might have said it sarcasticly or ironically; ie it needs context. Lol.

Can someone pls link me to this? i would very much appreciate it

-On another note, thank you oqua and papierklemmen for your noble work (Also another dan blushing moment is the famous "excited to spend 23 hours on a plane with me?" moment in the going to Australia vid, that was 10/10 cute af. )

-Also i do think moving in together into a house is a big deal, maybe its my talking but thats a serious commitment we are talking about, i mean its one thing to decide to live with your friend in a rented apartment if you are short on cash, also young, new to the whole "adult world thing", and moving to a new city to a new job u both have (radio), and another whole different thing when you are older, have the money to spend on a house, and a more settled daily routine, if you both are really that codependent then you move to the same neighborhood, not the same house.
-Im NOT saying them moving in together is the same as them getting married, but i do think its an important step that we shouldnt just brush off so easily. (if they do decide to move that is, im really not going to hold my breath though).

[pearshaped34]

Is YTR still supposed to be coming to the UK in November? I haven't seen anything advertising it's release yet so I'm thinking maybe that got pushed back? And if that is the case then maybe that in turn pushed forward TATINOFs release date as they no longer had to hold it back to coincide with that.

If it's still coming in November they obviously changed there mind about using TATINOF to help launch it because now everyone who wants it has it they aren't going to be many convinced to pay for a streaming service that gives them access to content they already have.

[eevee]

Blushing Dan is SO CUTE, thank you oqua aaaaah

In regards to the moving hints: I don't understand why getting a house together would "100%" confirm phan? Sorry to bring it up, but Charlieissocoollike and [loud coughing] bought a house together before all of the shit went down, and while I recognise they were a lot younger than deppy I don't get why that could be seen as platonic but there's no way that deppy getting a house could be.

I brought up this same thing to some people and they were like "well charlie and him were pretty confirmed to be straight and had girlfriends all the time and whatnot" which is totally true. So I think that's the main difference.

Totally random side note... I was digging through old threads (genuinely can't remember why) when I realized that the original broad announcement for TATINOF and the doc said the release would be end of November. Anyone know why it got pushed so early so quickly? And now appears to not coincide at all with UK's YoutubeRed release.

Seems fishy and explains why D&P were in the editing room all day long every day...

From what I remember, people just speculated it would be released in November and everyone was on board. I don't think it was ever confirmed when it would be released!

re: fanfiction on stage I don't have anything to add except I find it funny that the cake one was arguably more sexual, they must've done that on purpose knowing that absolutely no show would actually pick it like an inside joke

[Lain]

(screencaps by Lain!)

Blushy Dan is so ridiculously adorable. What a great compilation. Also, senpai used my screencaps.

Are there other good examples of Dan blushing that anyone can think of? Because I kind of live for it.

I always thought Dan seemed flustered & blushing (unless it's just the lighting?) during that Everything Has Changed moment at the BBC:

[JoeAverage]

so we finally might get to know the truth if they are moving. if dan and phil move into a house together we will know for a fact that they are definitely in a relationship. if they go their separate ways, then we know they are not in a relationship...we will finally know the truth.

Knowing those two, they'd probably buy adjoining semi-detached houses just to keep things ambiguous.

picturing this made me laugh so hard, that would be the ultimate trolling.

Edit to add this picture:



Deepy: We moved guys!!