If they don't care anymore, if they keep finding stuff they like better than YouTube and keep abandoning their channels in favor of those (and I mean abandoning in favor for, not doing other jobs on the side to gain experience and expore elsewhere just to be clear), then they should just quit now. Simple. Stop relying on the power of a dedicated and loyal fanbase they've acquired through the platform to keep shit together. Go back to the BBC, beg for every job they can get their hands on and work for it. They won't do that though, because YouTube is still the thing that makes them relevant and gets them hired. More specifically, the loyalty of the phandom is. It's definitely not their skills. Like for example I love their radio shows, but they're actually awful as jocks and haven't shown much improvement since 2014. The phandom brings the age of the average listener down though, the reason why they have a job in the first place, so R1 loves them and let's them stay. For now...fancybum wrote:Exactly. They don't care about consistent uploading; they always find other things that take priority because (I assume) they get more out of them personally/creatively/financially/misc. This just comes back to whatever I said earlier: we're expecting things from them they haven't promised and that way madness lies. Jacksepticeye uploads twice a day every day, so D&P should put in more effort? There's no connection between those two thoughts. Jack makes it a priority to stick to his self-imposed schedule, D&P do not. Fin.Catallena wrote: It isn't really the tour though is it? That's mostly just the newest excuse on a long list of ones they've used over the years. Radio, Brit Awards, BBCR1 Teen Awards, Festivals like Big Weekend and Reading, YouTube events and conventions, Nicer Internet, Dan's gaming documentary. That's everything I come up with on the top of my head. There's always something that has more priority. Honestly, they can't plan for shit. And they know, but don't seem to care.
If they continue with YouTube like they are now though, eventually people will get bored and move on to others who do meet the demands of the public. Simultaneously they won't attract new viewers anymore because they automatically go to the new people. If that happens, the BBC or any other media company won't want them anymore unless they bring skills and passion to the table they currently do not have (and aren't working on). Such is reality. Currently no matter where they work, YouTube and the phandom is the reason for their paycheck. And while they're not willing to work for it, they rely on it more than ever. Otherwise they wouldn't leave the BBC for a few months after having been the brains behind a show that probably didn't do nearly as well as was expected. (Yes I see the Internet Takeover as a flop... like did anyone tune in for the other Tubers? Yeah. Exactly.
)Don't give a damn about what Jacksecpticeye does, that's irrelevant to me personally as I'm not even really familiar with him beyond his name. That said, there's always a connection between what YouTubers do. YouTube are rivals more than colleagues and should always keep a close eye on what others are doing. If they're meeting public demands that you aren't, especially when you're catering to the same group of people, you can be done for pretty quick. Look at how charlieissocoollike faded away the minute new British vloggers came onto the scene while he was having a crisis. Or the downfall of traditional daily vloggers, while Casey Neistat rises.
They can have their own standards all they like, if they don't keep up with what the public wants they will never survive in any form of media and entertainment. Everything is about the audience and what it wants to see and when, that's who you create content for. That's what makes people successful. Currently the only audience they have is their YouTube audience, and they need to be careful not to lose them by slacking of in that area. It's great that they want to broaden their horizons and I support them in that, but they need to find a balance. Proper planning would help with that, but...fancybum wrote:Minimal effort in terms of better preparing (by our standards, not theirs) before the tour, sure. Minimal effort now is not even worth discussing because they're in the middle of a tour. If they didn't start strong content-wise, they're certainly not going to finish strong, so how about tempering expectations until they're back in the UK. It's just a little maddening to see the exact same complaints over and over for two months straight when obviously nothing will change until after tour is done. I'm disappointed they haven't been tweeting much/using their second channels at all too, but after a certain point it's like 'ok well I guess it's just not happening, bummer, moving on': it's the constant echoing negativity about it that's getting to me. It's screaming at a brick wall. They're almost done, there will be plenty to complain about when they're disappointing later. But they've been the same kind of disappointing since April, you know? Like, we get it. How is it still a surprise?Catallena wrote: It's really not the schedule. It's the combination of poor planning and very minimal effort that's getting annoying and blatantly obvious. They rely on their audience a lot to keep things going, but they can't do that forever. They're gonna need to put some effort into things again soon enough. But I have a feeling that when all this touring is over, there's just gonna be another thing holding them from making videos. There always is
And the tour ain't the problem, so why should I only be allowed to complain when the damn thing is over? It's been the way it is now since the start of last year, before they even set one foot inside of a venue. The tour is just a convenient thing to use as an excuse while in reality it has little effect on what they've put out. And we're all believing it, myself included. So when the tour ends, it's still not gonna change a thing because it never had much effect of things to begin with (except liveshows). We're getting fucked with basically.
All of this.jaej wrote:all of their other projects right now are still very tightly connected to youtube. there cant be a second book or continued tour without youtube imo, and their bbc hiatus isn't promising - and a return definitely doesn't mean success, it could take a long time to get further, and they may hit their limit on national broadcast before we'd like, whether it's radio or tv. you can continue to up your game on youtube, but they'd need support from the bbc to grow there, that's the appeal of youtube. you can grow independently and create whatever you want without an evil corporation deciding whether or not it fits and deserves funding, that's up to the audience, luck, and any opportunities with advertisement that you push for yourself. youtube isn't certain or safe, but neither is a bbc deal or something similar.
i want dan to do more docs, but he himself said he wanted that to be totally solo, and will take ages. they don't really have a totally non youtube thing yet, and need to keep at it until they have something else secured. the tour isn't going to grow their audience more, and the lack of buzz won't be appealing to potential opportunities. they should branch out, but they shouldn't abandon their channels first, because the fanbase is generally more appealing than being able to sort of do interviews.
Also, if Dan wants to produce a doc so badly why doesn't he do it on YouTube? Because it's not as glamorous as the BBC? If so then he doesn't want to actually do shit, he just wants glory. They're not gonna let a rookie touch their docs with a ten foot pole anyway, unless he sucks some major higher up dick. The beautiful thing about YouTube is that you can do anything on the platform. If he wants to make documentary, no one is stopping him. Make a Patreon or GoFundMe to finance it (he'd get to his goal in no time at all), hire some people, get to work. Build a portfolio, show the BBC what he can do. And he should be willing and prepared to start from the bottom. R1 might be desperate enough to hire him because of the audience he brings and give him a good timeslot with it, but I don't think BBC Television is gonna go for that.
I'm bored af with this content drought
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