Dan & Phil Part 12: Stalking him until he loves you

[alittledizzy]

also idk if it's significant at all that Tyler's not making any direct denials, just talking around the subject/general nature of the post?

I actually think that's totally significant. Both the first time around and now he took great pains to figure out a way to express the sentiment of, "I definitely am not implying they're together." without actually saying they aren't together... which would hands down be the easiest way to get people to move on.

now cue someone coming in to argue that maybe Tyler is just looking out for his shipbaitin' bros to help them keep raking in that sweet fangirl dolla

[Catallena]

with this guy and the homophobic trucker, I'm fearful they are meeting too many americans that live up to the stereotype

I'm gonna be honest, their experiences aren't helping with how I view the American population ._.

(I know most of y'all are lovely though.)

[eevee]

There are dumb people in America just like any other country but America has more because it's bigger lol...coming from an American

[starlight-still]

Is it just me or is this a bit bitey coming from AmazingPhil? He seems to have realized it right away if you look at the replies...

...but both he and Dan seem to be on edge lately from what we've seen. Maybe they're starting to get a little homesick...someone do something for them to remind them of home!

[adequate duck]

I almost want Tyler's account to have been "hacked" because I love the idea of a troll-y hacker just causing low-level mischief. (Once I hacked (patch your vulnerabilities folks!) a co-workers computer and just set it up to beep randomly throughout the day. I got months of entertainment out of that.)

anyway, about those houseplants....

[karma_yeah]

I've never seen that clip of Dan complimenting Phil on his shirt before, where is that from?

It's from this 7 Second Challenge (@ 33:50):

Phil's reaction is gold.

That's the liveshow where Dan rub's Phils shoulder in a very sweet tender way, probably by accident!

It's at 42:50

[uglyamerican]

with this guy and the homophobic trucker, I'm fearful they are meeting too many americans that live up to the stereotype

I'm gonna be honest, their experiences aren't helping with how I view the American population ._.

(I know most of y'all are lovely though.)

Yet Phil visits Florida (with its own brand of weirdness) regularly. Anyway, truckers and cab drivers are hardly representative of American society. They tend to be the least educated / enlightened demographic - probably in any society. Drawing generalizations from these limited and random encounters would be a mistake, but can be the source for amusing anecdotes.

[PolarFox]

I accidentaly take a seven hour nap in the afternoon and now there is so many new pages of drama? Jeez.
I used to kinda stan Tyler even a month ago, but man, get your shizzle right. Since I like him I would give him the hacking thing. I remember kind of hacking my schoolmate's facebook account so I could read things they wrote to person who I had falling out with (don't judge me, I was like 14) and since I was on that, I'd occasionaly like strange things/pages or post weird status just for the lolz. So I'd not say that he couldn't have gotten some cheeky person who just wanted his DM's or just wanted to troll a bit or something.

Also, hi Eevee! Amazing username.

[timtam]

I don't think Tyler reblogging that Phan thing is that big a deal. Tumblr stuffs up all the time but it's more likely he might have queued and reblogged that post at the same time and forgot to delete the queued version.

Tyler lying about being hacked is just him covering his butt. And I side eye him for that. It would have been better if he just deleted it and ignored it. That's what D&P do when they post things that are controversial and it works for them!

[uglyamerican]

Considering the lateness of Phil's tweet, and Dan not tweeting at all today, I take that as a sign they've been busy concocting something....

[alittledizzy]

I don't think Tyler reblogging that Phan thing is that big a deal. Tumblr stuffs up all the time but it's more likely he might have queued and reblogged that post at the same time and forgot to delete the queued version.

Tyler lying about being hacked is just him covering his butt. And I side eye him for that. It would have been better if he just deleted it and ignored it. That's what D&P do when they post things that are controversial and it works for them!

Dan needs to give Tyler lessons in the fine art of the haru.

[greatnessflicker]

Yet Phil visits Florida (with its own brand of weirdness) regularly. Anyway, truckers and cab drivers are hardly representative of American society. They tend to be the least educated / enlightened demographic - probably in any society. Drawing generalizations from these limited and random encounters would be a mistake, but can be the source for amusing anecdotes.

true. as the original person to bring it up, I just want to say I don't actually think dan and phil judge all americans based on two encounters out of literal thousands. on the contrary, I think they meet the basic level of intelligence required to understand exactly what you pointed out, uglyamerican, and that they were interacting with less educated/non-representative population samples.

also, as an american who has interacted with americans who know very little about world geography, i think this tweet might be a bit out of context. my guess is that most likely the taxi driver knew that london is not in france (at the very least, phil's accent does not sound like a french accent), but just clumped all of europe as being in close proximity to one another, which prompted his remark. knowing that london is in england and that england and france are two separate countries is very basic, even for the more ignorant americans, and it is on a whole other level than trying to identify exactly where on a map one or the other is.

[blueapple_x]

Anyone else think the driver was obviously joking? Just me?

Or am I giving them too much credit?

[karma_yeah]

with this guy and the homophobic trucker, I'm fearful they are meeting too many americans that live up to the stereotype

sad, but true.

On another note, wonder where they he was headed?

[karma_yeah]

I feel weird having so many posts in a row. I’m in Central time-zone in the US and during the week, by the time I get home from work, eat, read 7 or so pages in the thread and have something of no real consequence to say, most everyone else seems to have packed off to bed. Nothing but me and the SOZ

Tyler lying about being hacked is just him covering his butt. And I side eye him for that. It would have been better if he just deleted it and ignored it. That's what D&P do when they post things that are controversial and it works for them!

That’s because they’ve trained us lab rats so well .

Considering the lateness of Phil's tweet, and Dan not tweeting at all today, I take that as a sign they've been busy concocting something....

Would be nice if it was, oh say, . . .a VIDEO!!!

[Cora]

**Benefit of doubt post!!**

If in fact Tyler WAS hacked, the hacker would be very very clever by doing this.
If they were to get on his Tumblr and be like OMG D&P ENGAGED OMG I CANT EVEN LITERAL TEARS!! or something, the entire fan base of both Tyler and Deppy would be like "...oh ok, so you got hacked, cool."

But let's say there's a post that Tyler accidentally reposted and it caused a bunch of controversy and drama and clean up and it finally settled down...and then someone got into his Tumblr and reposted the infamous accidental repost again to restart the drama for the lulz...no one would ever believe Tyler if he said he was hacked or didn't know how it got there "Reposted AGAIN!? This obviously isn't an accident!! We don't believe any of your excuses this time!"

[spaceguitar]

I'm actually kind of pissed at his general tweet about the situation though? Like, don't turn your screw up into fans not respecting people's boundaries, the whole situation here is on your shoulders, fans didn't cause this. It feels like Tyler's trying to turn it back on the fans by saying that we're doing something wrong in responding to a situation that he created - kind of like Hazel's tweets, trying to get everyone apologising and falling over themselves not to talk about it beyond that when actually very few people did anything 'wrong' in the first place. In this case fans were not the ones pushing boundaries here - Tyler is the one who broke them, accidentally or otherwise.

also idk if it's significant at all that Tyler's not making any direct denials, just talking around the subject/general nature of the post?

Also those are amazing mazza1506, looks like you all had a great time!!

This! I don't think the reblog thing is a big deal, and for all i know Tyler was hacked. But his second preachy tweet about boundaries was so unnecessary, and almost inappropriate. This is what has always annoyed my about Tyler. He is always on his high horse.

[kuensukki]

I don't think Tyler reblogging that Phan thing is that big a deal. Tumblr stuffs up all the time but it's more likely he might have queued and reblogged that post at the same time and forgot to delete the queued version.

Tyler lying about being hacked is just him covering his butt. And I side eye him for that. It would have been better if he just deleted it and ignored it. That's what D&P do when they post things that are controversial and it works for them!

Dan needs to give Tyler lessons in the fine art of the haru.

This made me think of the time Phil liked the "Are you and Dan bi" tweet. He never addressed it and it all went away in a cloud of phan ignorance. That boy needs to write a book on how to handle slip-ups

On the Tyler thing: There was nothing accidental about it imo. Crazy theory: I feel like he may have some frustrations of the ambiguity of phan. As a mentor for the LGBTQ community he may disapprove Dan's male attraction mentions or phan mentions when he knows its not going to ultimately lead to something (I am hopeful it will by 2017). I always felt like those in the youtube LGBTQ community sideeyed phan because of their unwillingness to come out and represent, especially because a huge demographic of LGBTQ come from the phandom. The boys are really influential so maybe he wants to encourage them to stop playing with the fans and spell things out clearly. At the end of the day no matter how many male attractions Dan says some will interpret it as "jokey" or as a "straight boy that expresses jealousy of attractive males" (All real quotes from a phanti blog )

I personally don't agree with this mindset because at the end of the day it's their choice on if they want to come out and they should have control on how they choose to do that.

On another note: I really want an angry DM from Phil so we can finally have proof. We need to instigate him

[newslang]

This made me think of the time Phil liked the "Are you and Dan bi" tweet. He never addressed it and it all went away in a cloud of phan ignorance. That boy needs to write a book on how to handle slip-ups

Wait, when did that happen? I think I might have missed this.

On the Tyler thing: There was nothing accidental about it imo. Crazy theory: I feel like he may have some frustrations of the ambiguity of phan. As a mentor for the LGBTQ community he may disapprove Dan's male attraction mentions or phan mentions when he knows its not going to ultimately lead to something (I am hopeful it will by 2017). I always felt like those in the youtube LGBTQ community sideeyed phan because of their unwillingness to come out and represent, especially because a huge demographic of LGBTQ come from the phandom. The boys are really influential so maybe he wants to encourage them to stop playing with the fans and spell things out clearly. At the end of the day no matter how many male attractions Dan says some will interpret it as "jokey" or as a "straight boy that expresses jealousy of attractive males" (All real quotes from a phanti blog )

I respectfully disagree, i think that Tyler has a lot of flaws..but I don't think he would ever stoop to ''accidentally'' outing someone like that. I just don't.
My favorite thing I've ever seen on a antiphan blog was ''I just don't think that Dan could like guys because he acts so straight, he doesn't give off those vibes.'' Are we watching the same person? You would have to be blind not to see that Dan is a bit camp. Not that ''acting straight'' is indicative of sexual preference anyway. Antiphan blogs are usually run by lusty angry dangirls anyway, so I tend not to give them the time of day.

[sunday]

**Benefit of doubt post!!**

If in fact Tyler WAS hacked, the hacker would be very very clever by doing this.
If they were to get on his Tumblr and be like OMG D&P ENGAGED OMG I CANT EVEN LITERAL TEARS!! or something, the entire fan base of both Tyler and Deppy would be like "...oh ok, so you got hacked, cool."

But let's say there's a post that Tyler accidentally reposted and it caused a bunch of controversy and drama and clean up and it finally settled down...and then someone got into his Tumblr and reposted the infamous accidental repost again to restart the drama for the lulz...no one would ever believe Tyler if he said he was hacked or didn't know how it got there "Reposted AGAIN!? This obviously isn't an accident!! We don't believe any of your excuses this time!"

I actually do think he was hacked. I suspect after the first incident, a member of the phandom decided to stir shit by hacking his account and reposting it

[kuensukki]

Wait, when did that happen? I think I might have missed this.

I respectfully disagree, i think that Tyler has a lot of flaws..but I don't think he would ever stoop to ''accidentally'' outing someone like that. I just don't.
My favorite thing I've ever seen on a antiphan blog was ''I just don't think that Dan could like guys because he acts so straight, he doesn't give off those vibes.'' Are we watching the same person? You would have to be blind not to see that Dan is a bit camp. Not that ''acting straight'' is indicative of sexual preference anyway. Antiphan blogs are usually run by lusty angry dangirls anyway, so I tend not to give them the time of day.

It was late 2015 when he liked it and there were multiple screenshots. It was discussed in GG and tumblr made a holy trinity of tweets "accidently" liked by the boys The theory may be far fetched for Tyler but it would be naive to think that others don't disprove of the ambiguity Phan brings about their sexuality/relationship. Especially since Phil had been out of the closet with his old group of Youtube friends, Steven and Charlie being in that group, then never mentioned his sexuality it again. It must be frustrating for those who know the truth and are always harassed about Phan- Charlie being a glaring example .

I have seen much worse in the Phantiblogs. It always seems to be the Dan-inclined fans (I hate the word Dangirls ) who tend to be more passionate against Phan while the Phil fans support it which always striked me as an interesting dynamic (this is based on the phanti blogs I have visited.)

[greatnessflicker]

[offtopic]

I'm sorry for how offtopic this is, but I just came across this post on tumblr:

smol bean culture is poorly disguised raaawr that means i love you in dinosaur culture, open your fucking eyes

and it has put everything into perspective. of course dan and phil, pioneers of the "lol random" phase (as dan admitted when he related to temmie) would attract a fanbase that call them "smol but tol beans," unknowingly enacting the same rituals of that culture. it all makes sense now. the scales have fallen from my eyes.

[/offtopic]

[kooshka]

On the Tyler thing: There was nothing accidental about it imo. Crazy theory: I feel like he may have some frustrations of the ambiguity of phan. As a mentor for the LGBTQ community he may disapprove Dan's male attraction mentions or phan mentions when he knows its not going to ultimately lead to something (I am hopeful it will by 2017). I always felt like those in the youtube LGBTQ community sideeyed phan because of their unwillingness to come out and represent, especially because a huge demographic of LGBTQ come from the phandom. The boys are really influential so maybe he wants to encourage them to stop playing with the fans and spell things out clearly. At the end of the day no matter how many male attractions Dan says some will interpret it as "jokey" or as a "straight boy that expresses jealousy of attractive males" (All real quotes from a phanti blog )

I'm going to have to agree on this one. The very first time he reblogged it I had the same thoughts, but eventually gave out and just believed it was an accident. This time I just can't think it was anything but intentional. Tyler gives me the vibes that he likes being above everyone else, and feeling like he needs to "push" some things to happen, as he is the "fairy gay godmother" of all gays. His messy tweets support this, as with both reblogs he has left me with a feeling that he's hinting he knows something. Like he really just wants to stir up some drama and out them for them. I really hope he's actually not doing that because someone outing someone out of their free will is disgusting, but that's how I'm left feeling after all this. Fingers crossed I'm wrong, bc I still like Tyler.

[daichii]

tyler's tweets give me so much second hand embarrasment, not sure why some youtubers look for attention from the phandom, sure we are dedicated to the guys but tyler has more subs than dan and has already participated into so many things, what's the benefit he gets from being associated or having drama with d&p?

[pixlexia]

tyler's tweets give me so much second hand embarrasment, not sure why some youtubers look for attention from the phandom, sure we are dedicated to the guys but tyler has more subs than dan and has already participated into so many things, what's the benefit he gets from being associated or having drama with d&p?

To just give an opinion on why bigger people might associate themselves with D&P,
I think it does go to the dedication thing. Our numbers are less, but if you look at twitter and the tumblr popularity thing for example, D&P knock it out of the market. It confuses me too a bit because they seem almost like a niche market, but the market is wayyy big. Other people may have millions more fans, but they aren't fans who rewatch things 50 times, who grab tour tickets within 5 seconds of an announcement, who sell out books everywhere, who buy IKEA sheets just to match.

To make a weird sort of analogy, a room of 100 youtuber fans is worth the same as 5 fans.

(But I know this is another topic that gets brought up about once every 20 pages so I'll digress.)