Dan & Phil Part 91: A Decade of Deppy

[Phantasy]

For as much as we hyped it, I wonder if in the end it was just a normal Saturday for them... Phil making his video and Dan glued to Brexit drama. And instead of some grand romantic day they low key said happy anniversary, chuckled and had a quick kiss—somehow that feels appropriate too.

(on the flipside rabbid illogical pannie me saw that glitter and thought 10 years of Dan and Phil scrapbook?!)

[sapienveneficus]

We've got less than an hour left of 10/19/19 here on the east coast. After watching PINOF 1, I found myself watching this video from last year and getting rather emotional towards the end. I really miss them! I forget sometimes just how much I loved their videos and then watching something like this makes all those old happy feelings come rushing back.



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[bantsandpheels]

For as much as we hyped it, I wonder if in the end it was just a normal Saturday for them... Phil making his video and Dan glued to Brexit drama. And instead of some grand romantic day they low key said happy anniversary, chuckled and had a quick kiss—somehow that feels appropriate too.

(on the flipside rabbid illogical pannie me saw that glitter and thought 10 years of Dan and Phil scrapbook?!)

I wonder the same too...

Also I've been thinking whether they actually celebrate their anniversary on a totally different day. For example, maybe on the day they became boyfriends officially? We don't know when that happened, do we?

(rabid illogical phannie me saw the glitter and thought: PROPOSAL? But ha ha ha.... No way. )

[obvsly]

(on the flipside rabbid illogical pannie me saw that glitter and thought 10 years of Dan and Phil scrapbook?!)

(rabid illogical phannie me saw the glitter and thought: PROPOSAL? But ha ha ha.... No way. )

(so i'm the only one thinking, by the glitter-y crotch, phil might be jokingly giving us the middle finger in a kinda literal and kinda roundabout way then? )

[wiccamoody]

For as much as we hyped it, I wonder if in the end it was just a normal Saturday for them... Phil making his video and Dan glued to Brexit drama. And instead of some grand romantic day they low key said happy anniversary, chuckled and had a quick kiss—somehow that feels appropriate too.

(on the flipside rabbid illogical pannie me saw that glitter and thought 10 years of Dan and Phil scrapbook?!)

I wonder the same too...

Also I've been thinking whether they actually celebrate their anniversary on a totally different day. For example, maybe on the day they became boyfriends officially? We don't know when that happened, do we?

(rabid illogical phannie me saw the glitter and thought: PROPOSAL? But ha ha ha.... No way. )

I'm soooo curious about the glitter but...hmmm.

Also re: anniversary, I've always thought they celebrated in December. This day has really always been for us to celebrate. The kind of origins of the two of them being irl together = the start of the phandom coming together to stan them.

Plus, tiptoeing around it a bit, we have reason to believe that December is probably when they actually celebrate together. A more private time too, I think. Something that isn't blasted all over the internet like the 19th is. Something they have a chance to choose together and whatnot.

[poweroftriangles]

Can you believe love was invented 10 years ago? I sure can.

Anyway I watched this video earlier and it made me extremely emo :

I just saw this because I've been outside since yesterday and I'm crying actual tears send help

[LtrllySusan]

I'm actually pretty disappointed that they didn't acknowledge the date at all. So many fans wrote lovely messages and made beautiful fan art and they didn't join the celebration of their careers at all.
God knows when Phil recorded that clip on for Instagram, it could have been days ago.

The power dynamic of one side giving so much and the other side ignoring it reminds me of some bad relationships I've experienced, so I think I'll have to take a break of the phandom or even be done with it.
I don't wanna keep holding onto the thought of "the next thing is when they'll be back". Now everyone is talking about the video or about December.

It's called a parasocial breakup, by the way. In case anyone else is feeling disappointed and let down and wants to know why.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasocia ... al_breakup (the whole article is very relevant and interesting)

"Eyal and Cohen define parasocial breakup as "a situation where a character with whom a viewer has developed a PSR goes off the air."[14]

Eyal and Cohen (2006) found that the distress that media consumers experienced after a parasocial breakup was quite similar to that of a social relationship. However, the emotional distress experienced after the parasocial breakup was weaker than that of the real life interpersonal relationship. Lather and Moyer-Guse (2011) also considered the concept of parasocial breakup, but in a more temporary sense.

While the study focused on parasocial breakups as a result of the writers' strike from 2007-2008, the researchers found that media consumers still experienced different levels of emotional distress.[15] This study, like previous studies, showed that parasocial relationships operate very similarly to real-life relationships."

[Becky.rigby]

I actually feel sorry for Dan and Phil but in the same time upset. I mean to have your relationship speculated every day must be hard. However on the other hand they are the ones that made videos together, wrote 2 books, did 2 tours and liveshows together and a gaming channel and a radio show. Not to mention all the dailybooths back in the day and their tweets. For them to go from doing so much together and then taking that away knowing that people love their videos together. The reason I love watching them together isnt because i love speculating on their relationship, it's because they bounce off each other, I love their bants etc. I just think it's a big move on their behalf. I just wish that if Dan wanted to quit YouTube that he would let us know out of respect. I mean we are lucky lately to get a generic tweet a week from him :/ yet Phil is filming videos, liveshows and Instagram stories and tweets. I get that Dan doesn't know what to do next because after his last video he probably feels scared that his next video wont compare, but the thing is it doesn't need to, as people watch him because of his personality because he is funny and kind, we dont expect a 45 minute extravaganza every time.

[flarequake]

I’m with you, poweroftriangles, I’ve watched that about 8 times by now, also rediscovered “Two Man Team” and “Dan and Phil: A Synchronized Friendship” that I’d forgotten about. The sap is real, but pleasant in the early morning when I felt flat for some reason (going from no work with boredom and worries, to too much work and stress as well as just discovering my tiredness is hypoglycaemia). I haven’t cried because little makes me cry, but idk, cry it out, watch it again, frisbee laptop out the window (maybe not that one)?

Earlier in the year I felt so fed up with them and the silence, was hard for them to tell us when the June video was in the works since Dan clearly needed space to work on it and couldn’t say in case it didn’t happen on time, also cos he’d be badgered about it, also there’d have been no surprise. Heck, that surprise gave me so much of an endorphin rush it cleared the yo-yoing of depression I’d had for a few weeks. But I’m not convinced he’s coming back to YouTube alone or with Phil and I do still have some hope cos we don’t know for certain yet. I’m not sure whether he’d really leave us hanging without ever saying, it might be he just needed more time after June to reflect and see about working on another video sometime, or whatever else he might be doing away from being visible.

Somewhere along the line I’ve felt a lot better about it, no doubt Phil being all cute videos and bringing liveshows back helped, heck I got to see him and dogs recently too, and not many of us were that lucky. I’ve always felt a parasocial relationship ending almost as keenly as a personal one, the feelings are real and valid.

[madzilla84]

The stuff about parasocial relationships is so interesting, and an incredibly complex subject - I’m sure it’s the subject of a lot of academic papers at the moment. But from my POV it’s kinda nice to know how I’ve been feeling isn’t totally insane, that it’s an actual Thing. I have mixed feelings about what I think they feel about their audience - people often talk about how good they are to their fans but as someone who’s only been around this year, that’s been a little hard to see. I guess Phil didn’t have to bring liveshows back; then again maybe YouNow drove a dump truck of money up to his house. I don’t like feeling so cynical about them, I like to believe the best of them, but it’s been taxing this year.

I guess I’m also disappointed they didn’t acknowledge yesterday, though not remotely surprised (the motto for the year). It feels like this tenth anniversary is kind of marking the end of ‘ten years of Dan and Phil’ rather than just looking back at the beginning. (Maybe not for them personally, of course, but what difference does that make to me/us if we never see or hear from them again as a duo?) The writing’s been on the wall all year, I guess it’s just taken me this long to accept it. It makes this anniversary feel really bittersweet. I wish I’d joined the phandom earlier; I missed out on so much and now it’s over.

I have no idea what Dan is planning or wants to do, but we’ve talked this to death already and we’ll never know unless he decides to share at some point. I’d love to know why he decided to stop *all* his online activity this year, not just YouTube. I do wonder if there’s a reason - is he planning a video about reframing his relationship with social media or something? Or does he just have problems with feeling like what he’s sharing isn’t “worthy” enough or whatever? (Victim of his own success with BIG?) I have no idea. I just know I miss him and I don’t know why he left.

[Birdie]

I'm actually pretty disappointed that they didn't acknowledge the date at all. So many fans wrote lovely messages and made beautiful fan art and they didn't join the celebration of their careers at all.
God knows when Phil recorded that clip on for Instagram, it could have been days ago.

The power dynamic of one side giving so much and the other side ignoring it reminds me of some bad relationships I've experienced, so I think I'll have to take a break of the phandom or even be done with it.
I don't wanna keep holding onto the thought of "the next thing is when they'll be back". Now everyone is talking about the video or about December.

It's called a parasocial breakup, by the way. In case anyone else is feeling disappointed and let down and wants to know why.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasocia ... al_breakup (the whole article is very relevant and interesting)

"Eyal and Cohen define parasocial breakup as "a situation where a character with whom a viewer has developed a PSR goes off the air."[14]

Eyal and Cohen (2006) found that the distress that media consumers experienced after a parasocial breakup was quite similar to that of a social relationship. However, the emotional distress experienced after the parasocial breakup was weaker than that of the real life interpersonal relationship. Lather and Moyer-Guse (2011) also considered the concept of parasocial breakup, but in a more temporary sense.

While the study focused on parasocial breakups as a result of the writers' strike from 2007-2008, the researchers found that media consumers still experienced different levels of emotional distress.[15] This study, like previous studies, showed that parasocial relationships operate very similarly to real-life relationships."

Okay but honestly? The day they first met in person is probably very personal for them and it's their right not to share their celebration of that (if they celebrated it all) or even acknowledge it publicly if they don't want to. It's fine to feel upset but for once this isn't their fault. They did not owe us this. Like at all.

I mean, maybe it's healthy for you to step back from the phandom a bit. It surely was for me and I still care too much. I've been wondering lately why I even care so much and what exactly it's giving me and if it's even still healthy and I actually think a lot of us need to look at that maybe. And I think there's a lot that's wrong with how they interact with their audience but I don't think it's fair to blame Dan and Phil for not giving us something that is tied to their private lives so closely. The way they treat their audience lately is not okay. But I feel like it's also not okay to demand something so personal from them in this way.

[liola]

To be fair they almost never acknowledge October 19th, I think the only time they did was during a live show a couple of years ago and only because someone brought it up in a chat? Like yes obviously this year has been very different In how they've presented (or rather not presented) as DanAndPhil, but the lack of acknowledgement isn't due to them taking a step back but rather the usual behaviour they've taken on during this time of the year - which is why I think most people were not expecting anything yesterday?

[Amiaw]

Dan is interesting because he’s been such a question mark this year. We know he took 6 months off for BIG and then he made the big deal about coming back from the dead and was doing good at being active for a few months but around the time he went to France he kind of fell off and has been oddly silent again. I don’t know if it’s a personal thing but if he plans on going silent everytime he works on a video then I feel like that’s the wrong approach to take. It leaves people feeling confused and upset and it will grow old pretty quickly.
Content wise I’ve been satisfied with Phil. He’s been giving us videos and liveshows and has been trying to interact in other ways. I wish we had more insight into what he was doing off camera but I think that ship has sailed.
I think this year has been strange and we haven’t really gotten to a ‘new normal’ so until they figure out what they want it’s going to continue to seem off but I think the takeaway I have so far is that I can probably handle being a casual fan of Phil because I do like his content but if dan does come back I don’t know if I’ll care because he’s treated his fans pretty badly this year.

[alittledizzy]

To be fair they almost never acknowledge October 19th, I think the only time they did was during a live show a couple of years ago and only because someone brought it up in a chat? Like yes obviously this year has been very different In how they've presented (or rather not presented) as DanAndPhil, but the lack of acknowledgement isn't due to them taking a step back but rather the usual behaviour they've taken on during this time of the year - which is why I think most people were not expecting anything yesterday?

I do think a lot of people don't realize/are forgetting that this day is always about phandom being sappy, not about Dan and Phil being sappy. They've never done it. Even the liveshow acnkowledgement was because chat was absolutely SPAMMED with it, I was watching that day and no one was saying anything else but that. Everyone was so fixated on the idea that they were doing a liveshow because it was the 19th that I think Dan and Phil felt like they had to get acknowledgement out of the way so they could be allowed to talk about other things.

Dan and Phil really have never invited us into celebrations about things that weren't for us, and them meeting in real life for the first time wasn't for us. Videos are for us - youtube stuff is for us. Dan's first got acknowledged, pinof always got celebration, Phil usually tweets when his youtube anniversary rolls around. But their first date/first kiss/etc? Not for us. It doesn't stop us celebrating it, but it doesn't mean they're obligated to join in.

So I'm not surprised at them not acknowledging it, and I'm not disappointed either.

[Amiaw]

New video today after Phil’s liveshow. I’m surprised he rushed the editing but I’m not mad about it.

[Catallena]

I didn't pop in here yesterday so happy belated phanniversary y'all! Can't believe that it's been a decade since Dan and Phil invented love.

Anyway, I agree with liola and dizzy. I didn't really expect anything from yesterday in the first place. Of course there's always a 'what if' in the back of my mind but October 19th has always been a day for us as fans. Much like how they don't go looking for certain types of fanworks in order to not intrude on fandom spaces, they don't really acknowledge this date apart from the time they had to during the liveshow. I'm sure that it does hold some meaning to them, but over the years it has become pretty clear that it's more important to the phandom than to Dan and Phil. If they celebrate any kind of anniversary date, it's not this one and we can only speculate on what their real date is because they ain't ever telling us. And that's fine.

Hyped for liveshow and video tonight!

[LtrllySusan]

I'm actually pretty disappointed that they didn't acknowledge the date at all. So many fans wrote lovely messages and made beautiful fan art and they didn't join the celebration of their careers at all.
God knows when Phil recorded that clip on for Instagram, it could have been days ago.

The power dynamic of one side giving so much and the other side ignoring it reminds me of some bad relationships I've experienced, so I think I'll have to take a break of the phandom or even be done with it.
I don't wanna keep holding onto the thought of "the next thing is when they'll be back". Now everyone is talking about the video or about December.

It's called a parasocial breakup, by the way. In case anyone else is feeling disappointed and let down and wants to know why.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasocia ... al_breakup (the whole article is very relevant and interesting)

"Eyal and Cohen define parasocial breakup as "a situation where a character with whom a viewer has developed a PSR goes off the air."[14]

Eyal and Cohen (2006) found that the distress that media consumers experienced after a parasocial breakup was quite similar to that of a social relationship. However, the emotional distress experienced after the parasocial breakup was weaker than that of the real life interpersonal relationship. Lather and Moyer-Guse (2011) also considered the concept of parasocial breakup, but in a more temporary sense.

While the study focused on parasocial breakups as a result of the writers' strike from 2007-2008, the researchers found that media consumers still experienced different levels of emotional distress.[15] This study, like previous studies, showed that parasocial relationships operate very similarly to real-life relationships."

Okay but honestly? The day they first met in person is probably very personal for them and it's their right not to share their celebration of that (if they celebrated it all) or even acknowledge it publicly if they don't want to. It's fine to feel upset but for once this isn't their fault. They did not owe us this. Like at all.

I mean, maybe it's healthy for you to step back from the phandom a bit. It surely was for me and I still care too much. I've been wondering lately why I even care so much and what exactly it's giving me and if it's even still healthy and I actually think a lot of us need to look at that maybe. And I think there's a lot that's wrong with how they interact with their audience but I don't think it's fair to blame Dan and Phil for not giving us something that is tied to their private lives so closely. The way they treat their audience lately is not okay. But I feel like it's also not okay to demand something so personal from them in this way.

I never said that I wanted them to share something about their personal relationship. I've never been very invested into that. (Still haven't watched the video and never will)

All I wanted is for them to acknowledge that thousands of people were celebrating them as creators and entertainers. Yes, maybe the date was chosen by the fans, but how big of a deal would it have been to tweet something along the lines of "Thank you for all the lovely messages in #10yearsofdanandphil, we are thankful to have you guys as our supporters."

Besides, I find it weird that you are telling me to step back from the phandom because you think I care too much. I just don't see myself as a fan of them anymore, but I'm (to my own frustration) still clinging onto the hope of a return of the duo Dan and Phil.

[liola]

Am I the only one being weirded out that Phil is rushing to post tonight? It seems like he NEEDS to have this video out tonight so that next week / the end of the month is free for the famous halloween content.

[Birdie]

All I wanted is for them to acknowledge that thousands of people were celebrating them as creators and entertainers. Yes, maybe the date was chosen by the fans, but how big of a deal would it have been to tweet something along the lines of "Thank you for all the lovely messages in #10yearsofdanandphil, we are thankful to have you guys as our supporters."

Like I said, this date isn't just a professional career date for them (if at all), it's closely tied to their private lives. We don't know what this date means to them. And even if it means nothing to them, it's still their right not to acknowledge it if they don't want to. Like dizzy said:

Dan and Phil really have never invited us into celebrations about things that weren't for us, and them meeting in real life for the first time wasn't for us. Videos are for us - youtube stuff is for us. Dan's first got acknowledged, pinof always got celebration, Phil usually tweets when his youtube anniversary rolls around. But their first date/first kiss/etc? Not for us. It doesn't stop us celebrating it, but it doesn't mean they're obligated to join in.

I think this sums it up perfectly.

Besides, I find it weird that you are telling me to step back from the phandom because you think I care too much. I just don't see myself as a fan of them anymore, but I'm (to my own frustration) still clinging onto the hope of a return of the duo Dan and Phil.

That's not what I meant. I'm sorry if I didn't phrase it right. I was referencing what you said yourself about leaving the phandom behind for a while in your other post and then I said that *I* care too much to let go and that's why I understand why you feel that way.

[flarequake]

Idk if Phil’s rushing it out, maybe it’s just done? Possibly even a case of having had enough of looking at it and happy to see it finished, but just guessing. Still, if it leaves him space clear for the please-be-approved-thank-you Halloween video, then sure.

[AltMay]

Just read the members post and it got me thinking, since he asked for shopping fails for the ls, could the video be sth related to the wish recommendations he's been getting? Anyway glad it's going up tonight, seems a bit rushed but if it means it'll leave space for a halloween video of some kind i'm up for it.

[noodlebum]

Ooh was a video confirmed in a members post? Niceee

[knq]

I wish YouNow had organized whatever contracts they offer YouTubers so that Rose and Rosie and Phil would livestream at different times. ._.

[knq]

Phil vs. Goose Game is so fucking funny dear god. How can Dan not want to be a part of this? Like, I respect his decisions and everything, but he is missing out on some hilarious Phil moments here.

Housekeeping: Next week's liveshow might be Saturday instead. He's starting the AP upload now. This liveshow will be on his sidechannel in a day or two.

He renamed the goose Gary.

[Susanisnotafish]

Phil vs. Goose Game is so fucking funny dear god. How can Dan not want to be a part of this? Like, I respect his decisions and everything, but he is missing out on some hilarious Phil moments here.

Housekeeping: Next week's liveshow might be Saturday instead. He's starting the AP upload now. This liveshow will be on his sidechannel in a day or two.

He renamed the goose Gary.

My mind kept imagining Dan’s bants at Phil’s struggles in the goose game. I miss him! Phils great, but I want both. Wonder if they still play Sims.