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Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:35 pm
by rizzo
fancybum wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:36 pm
rizzo wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:01 pm
fancybum wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:10 pm
flarequake wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:12 pm
I deciphered some of the writing on the orange tape around the props on the table at 7.16-7.43 of the WITL, under spoiler cos, well, spoilers:
Can I just say about the fanfic part in tatinof that it was about on par with the cringe of a lot of the show (no offence to the show as an overall experience)? I’m interested in why that one part seems
especially cringey to so many people. Is it because they/we don’t want a mirror turned on us as observers? We want D&P to pretend to be unaware about certain fandom activities or interests because it can be uncomfortable? Because I think it must be equally uncomfortable for them to have to turn a blind eye toward certain things (to varying degrees, granted) to maintain.. what? Distance? Feigned ignorance? And
for what? Because I don’t think there’s any particular judgement inherent in acknowledgement. The fanfic section wasn’t about judging or mocking partakers of fanfiction, it was a comedic representation of them, as actual people with agency, being put in situations a lot of people like to imagine them in (taken to a ridiculous extreme, of course, for a
comedy show about the internet exploding) and how they might feel about it in reality (and as a result of that, how it would differ from the fantasy). And I think the thought process behind that (viewer fantasy vs. D&P reality) is behind a lot of the weirdness of some ‘Dan being Dan’ moments (like the aggressive feeding of Phil while staring down the camera and the Phil/jacket story, and probably too many others to name). I think the concept of this tour (and the steady humanizing of themselves they’ve both been intentionally doing since the end of the last tour to lead up to this) is really cool. Those Dan moments, the fanfic section to a lesser extent, and (in theory so far) this whole tour is just them asserting their own humanity outside of their roles as performers. It’s just?? I like??
(but like. Yes, there’s still fear. Why are there handcuffs.)
You're totally right and I can't really disagree with any of this. Though, the reason I personally cringe is 2-fold:
Whether or not there's added humor/a comedic storyline involved, I don't like the inaccurate and somewhat negative reflection of fanfic. The mirror they turned on us was more of a fun-house mirror. They're showing us a caricature of ourselves and then laughing at it, so I perceive it as more mocking than it is meta.
I also hate to use this word and think it may come back to bite me in the ass, but it was a little bit.... ship-bait-y. Mind you, I don't love any of those Dan moments either, so I'm being very consistant here when I say I don't enjoy them playing up the romantic ship for humor, especially when, in most cases, it actively works to mock us.
I guess my thing is... I don't mind them bringing up fanfic, but when it gets to "Phil feeds Dan cake", I start to squirm. They're welcome to touch on their own humanity, but I'd personally rather see that by way of them behaving as they would normally around each other (within reason obviously) than acting out extreme fanfic to highlight the juxtaposition of that to reality.
In the end, I'll watch Dan and Phil do whatever and if that involves cop roleplay, I'll deal with it, but I
won't like it.

Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:38 pm
by wiccamoody
Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:48 pm
by LtrllySusan
*continuously hits refresh on mailbox page*
Edit: Got the mail but don't want to commit to any answers right now; can someone post the full question list?
Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:50 pm
by rizzo
Some of these questions lend themselves to persona heavy answers. I'm struggling with trying to be creative.
Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:52 pm
by greenergrass
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Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:59 pm
by hello9217
I currently have no creativity and don't want to give persona heavy answers because I feel like that's no fun and so many people will already say that so I'll have to come back to it later.
Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:02 pm
by wiccamoody
Ughh I wrote out a whole thing as an edit to my post but when I hit submit it timed out lol. Anyway, just scrolling through the form has me a little wary of how this is going to be a step away from their personas, even a little step. I'm sure that's just me being worried about the show having super cringe scenes like tatinof did (which idek why I'm worried about that, I should just wait to see what people say after the first show), and I'm kind of struggling to find things that make me step away from their personas to fill the boxes with.
Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:10 pm
by alittledizzy
obsessivelymoody wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:02 pm
Ughh I wrote out a whole thing as an edit to my post but when I hit submit it timed out lol. Anyway, just scrolling through the form has me a little wary of how this is going to be a step away from their personas, even a little step. I'm sure that's just me being worried about the show having super cringe scenes like tatinof did (which idek why I'm worried about that, I should just wait to see what people say after the first show), and I'm kind of struggling to find things that make
me step away from their personas to fill the boxes with.
This is me grasping at the hope that they're accurate about it not being TATINOF but I think getting the audience to submit persona heavy things could offer them something to rebut against?
Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:14 pm
by greenergrass
They've already gotten so many submissions that they've closed the submissions for now. I hope someone got screencaps of the questions because I'm so curious based on the persona discussion here
Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:17 pm
by LtrllySusan
Oh wow.. All I saw of the form were the Truth Bombs questions. I wish there had been the option to just submit five answers in total so you actually only submit good stuff instead of just filling out everything.
Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:18 pm
by allsaintshowell
whatdoiknow wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:14 pm
They've already gotten so many submissions that they've closed the submissions for now. I hope someone got screencaps of the questions because I'm so curious based on the persona discussion here
i literally never got either of my registration emails

Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:21 pm
by malday
whatdoiknow wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:14 pm
They've already gotten so many submissions that they've closed the submissions for now. I hope someone got screencaps of the questions because I'm so curious based on the persona discussion here
seconding this! pour those spoilers, please!

Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:23 pm
by lilabet
I managed to get one for one of my two shows. I'm typing up the questions now.
Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:26 pm
by annetamiau
I'm really excited about II, but I think it will be very similar to TATINOF and very persona - heavy (despite what deppy say), just no llamas and lions this time. I don't see how the context (them on stage performing in front of a large audience) could promt them to be their real selves. Regardless of that, I'm really looking forward to the tour.
As for the fanfic segment in TATINOF, I couldn't care less what deppy think about people who read fanfiction. I disliked it because I found the whole "pretending to be the Brokeback Mountain cowboys" shipbait-y (considering the bigger picture). I reckon most people would agree it is shipbait-y if Joe and Caspar did it (for example), but for some reason Dan and Phil tend to get a pass.
Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:27 pm
by wiccamoody
I screenshot the submission form, so it's under the cut because it's so long.
Also to what
alittledizzy said about them using persona heavy questions and answers to move away from that part of their branding, I really hope that's what they'll do, or at least filter out the really heavy ones for when they preform.
Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:29 pm
by lilabet
obsessivelymoody wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:27 pm
I screenshot the submission form, so it's under the cut because it's so long.
Also to what
alittledizzy said about them using persona heavy questions and answers to move away from that part of their branding, I really hope that's what they'll do, or at least filter out the really heavy ones for when they preform.
Oh thank god. It was way wordier than i was expecting. I found a missing word in one of the questions already. Let's see how many typos there are? If anyone has any suggestions they want to throw my way that would be great.
Also you can still participate. I just registered for the London show and got an email.

Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:31 pm
by kavat
LtrllySusan wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:17 pm
Oh wow.. All I saw of the form were the Truth Bombs questions. I wish there had been the option to just submit five answers in total so you actually only submit good stuff instead of just filling out everything.
You can choose to just fill in a few if you want to,
according to the FAQ:
What if I don't want to fill out one of the sections?
None of the website is mandatory! If you only want to suggest one Truth Bombs answer for Phil, one funny 'good word' and a Dilemma for Dan - that's fine. Leave anything you don't want to answer blank.
The URL for the FAQ is Tour-Sponsorship, which is probably a mistake but makes me wonder if they're going to have a sponsor like they did for the US tatinof.
Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:32 pm
by huphilpuffs
here is a tumblr post with screencaps of all the questions for those interested!
also reading for then, I agree that a lot of them have potential to make parts of the show cringey. I also have no idea what to write for any of them so

Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:33 pm
by lilabet
Would it be wrong of me to go really political for the Good Vs Evil section? It'll never get picked but I want to.
Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:35 pm
by susan2
Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:37 pm
by greenergrass
obsessivelymoody wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:27 pm
I screenshot the submission form, so it's under the cut because it's so long.
Awesome, thanks!
Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:37 pm
by George
I just died after reading the question about should they give the people what the people want or do what Dan and Phil want.

:respekt:
Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:40 pm
by rizzo
susan2 wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:35 pm
!!!! i'm excited.
Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:40 pm
by lilabet
Question: where does the £ go in Capital Lester?
Re: Dan & Phil Part 69: our cherry blossom
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:42 pm
by wiccamoody
lilabet wrote: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:40 pm
Question: where does the £ go in Capital Lester?
It acts as the 'L' in both Captial and Lester