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sparkle wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:06 pm LADS LADS LADS

THIS IS A PSA TO GO AND VISIT BALLCLASH.COM

edit: I don't even care if this is top of the page, it makes it better

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?

000dia000 wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:31 pm

gohomohowell wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:38 pm It's weird, though. Despite many people claiming they prefer Phil, I think we can all agree that there's a bit of focus on Dan on here. You know, we talk about his mental health a lot more than Phil's just as we talk more about his family than Phil's. Thoughts?

I think, as it was once put, Dan puts forward a lot more ambiguity. He alludes to something and leaves people stumped. Then people come here to talk about it. However, Phil tends to be quite blatant about things and says things outright, or otherwise completely ignores topics and just doesn't discuss it. Think of Dan as having difficulty disguising emotion and letting things blurt out, while Phil is quite tight-lipped and discreet. However, contrary to what people may suggest, there's actually no mystery to Phil (if you consider his words) but Dan's words hold more interpretation. Phil is also sneaky and says things indirectly and kind of off-hand, therefore going under the radar. You see a lot of people commenting "wait....Phil said WHAT!!!" because they miss him his subtlety and general quietness over Dan being quite loud and dominant in videos.

Dan's a bit dramatic. He doesn't upload regularly, and when he does he hypes it up. He calls for people to get excited, then delivers, and there's the positive and negative fallout. He's over dramatic in his videos. He's loud. He get's people's attention. Phil's sometimes lost underneath it all because he's a lot quieter, calmer, more straight-forward.

Also, while I'm not sure everybody's willing to admit it, but Dan just get's more attention because he's more popular. However, I do think people are more open to criticizing him/commending him than they are for Phil. While Phil does get negative attention, usually someone has to point out how Dan is getting so much negative attention that it finally diverts. Dan videos bring up discussions like sexuality, quality content, mental health, secret projects and the like. Phil's video's are more slice of life, talks about himself or things he does. You learn about what he does and what's flashy and bright, but nothing about Phil as a person. Dan presents topics, open for discussion. But Phil presents a picture, and yet people still sometimes miss what's right in front of them.

Also, people might just more subconsciously like Dan. People might just find that there's more to talk about with Dan, even if they prefer Phil, they might not have anything to say beyond what they like about him or his videos. I usually try to make posts about Phil due to these reasons, and analysis (or even call-outs) of him are usually some of the more interesting topics on this forum because of that. Dan can get a little repetitive sometimes, he's more "exciting" but he sure does go around in circles.

Concerning family and mental health: Phil shows his family more than Dan's, so that self explains how Dan's family remains a "mystery." A lot of what we know about him and his family can be easily accessed through videos or social media, they've appeared in videos, and his own brother helps run a company! Dan, on the other hand, we know so little about him and his family from his videos. Everything else has to be pulled from supah secret tumblr blogs you have to search for, screenshots of an old website, and from speculation of itself. In regards to mental health, that's where things are quite different from them. Dan seems to be open about being upset, about things getting him down, crisis and mood swings. Failure and uncertainty. Phil, on the other hand, we've learned so little. We know that his friend died, that he sometimes has such bad nightmares and wakes up crying, that he's afraid of death and does everything but confront it, and seems to have quite a case of Peter Pan syndrome. Most importantly, we know that a secret video of his, being emotionally open, was dispensed across the internet for everyone to see, and yet so many people made it all about Dan. Why? Because Dan was the one who opened up about it, insisted it was fake, made a tumblr blog in defense of it, and lashed out at people concerning it. Dan was the open "sufferer" and people still make it all about Dan. We honestly don't know a lot about Phil, only that he's private, but that he's emotionally and mentally quite strong. In the recent interview with Sue, Dan expressed how hate comments don't bother Phil, he's passive and let's it get by without it even bothering him. This same Phil once expressed wanting to delete his channel when he got his first hate comment. This same Phil recounted how a bully stabbed him with a compass and then proceeded to shrug it off. That's Phil. He shrugs off things that could bother him or what other people hold very tightly as a defense. Or just ignores anything that's better off being ignored (death and maturity)seriously, who the fuck wants to talk about death?. He's passive and he's (as far as we can tell) an emotionally strong person that likes to keep things to himself. I think he's had a much more successful adulthood than Dan has, in that he has had the environment to find himself, find out who he is, and emotionally balance himself. Dan hasn't had this opportunity and doesn't know what to do with his life and who he is. But I digress.

I don't think how people talk and view Dan and Phil would change unless they switched places. Arguably, Phil would be more talked about if he were to tackle hard cases head on. I don't think he could put himself out there naked and vulnerable as Dan is able to do, but that's what makes him different. If Phil took on Dan's qualities of being assertive, open, and downright waffly about topics, then he might lose the characteristics that a lot of people like him for. Vice versa for Dan. I would like Phil to be more open, but I don't think I would like him to be more vulnerable, or expose himself. I'm glad that he knows that too, and that him and Dan assert that about him. I don't think anything will change how people on IDB, the phandom, how damn interviewers, and (as Dan puts it) "the filmmakers of YouTube" talk about them. Dan's the approachable "complexity", Phil isn't complex by what he gives, it's what he leaves up to speculation that people are not able to touch.

/word vomit over

gohomohowell wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:13 pm

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)

Answer!

onetruetrash wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:14 pm What bothers me the most about them combined is the fact that they don't really address the fact their toxic fandom. I know that they can't completely control their fans, but they should say at least something.

twix wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:49 pm

onetruetrash wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:14 pm What bothers me the most about them combined is the fact that they don't really address the fact their toxic fandom. I know that they can't completely control their fans, but they should say at least something.

many people say that they wish dan and/or phil would address problematic fan behaviors, but i struggle to see how this could happen without it becoming a complete mess that would probably exacerbate whatever it is they're trying to stop. can you (or anyone else) go into more detail about this? like, if you were in their positions, what would you say? can you provide a spec script?

000dia000 wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:31 pm

gohomohowell wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:38 pm It's weird, though. Despite many people claiming they prefer Phil, I think we can all agree that there's a bit of focus on Dan on here. You know, we talk about his mental health a lot more than Phil's just as we talk more about his family than Phil's. Thoughts?

I think, as it was once put, Dan puts forward a lot more ambiguity. He alludes to something and leaves people stumped. Then people come here to talk about it. However, Phil tends to be quite blatant about things and says things outright, or otherwise completely ignores topics and just doesn't discuss it. Think of Dan as having difficulty disguising emotion and letting things blurt out, while Phil is quite tight-lipped and discreet. However, contrary to what people may suggest, there's actually no mystery to Phil (if you consider his words) but Dan's words hold more interpretation. Phil is also sneaky and says things indirectly and kind of off-hand, therefore going under the radar. You see a lot of people commenting "wait....Phil said WHAT!!!" because they miss him his subtlety and general quietness over Dan being quite loud and dominant in videos.

Dan's a bit dramatic. He doesn't upload regularly, and when he does he hypes it up. He calls for people to get excited, then delivers, and there's the positive and negative fallout. He's over dramatic in his videos. He's loud. He get's people's attention. Phil's sometimes lost underneath it all because he's a lot quieter, calmer, more straight-forward.

Also, while I'm not sure everybody's willing to admit it, but Dan just get's more attention because he's more popular. However, I do think people are more open to criticizing him/commending him than they are for Phil. While Phil does get negative attention, usually someone has to point out how Dan is getting so much negative attention that it finally diverts. Dan videos bring up discussions like sexuality, quality content, mental health, secret projects and the like. Phil's video's are more slice of life, talks about himself or things he does. You learn about what he does and what's flashy and bright, but nothing about Phil as a person. Dan presents topics, open for discussion. But Phil presents a picture, and yet people still sometimes miss what's right in front of them.

Also, people might just more subconsciously like Dan. People might just find that there's more to talk about with Dan, even if they prefer Phil, they might not have anything to say beyond what they like about him or his videos. I usually try to make posts about Phil due to these reasons, and analysis (or even call-outs) of him are usually some of the more interesting topics on this forum because of that. Dan can get a little repetitive sometimes, he's more "exciting" but he sure does go around in circles.

Concerning family and mental health: Phil shows his family more than Dan's, so that self explains how Dan's family remains a "mystery." A lot of what we know about him and his family can be easily accessed through videos or social media, they've appeared in videos, and his own brother helps run a company! Dan, on the other hand, we know so little about him and his family from his videos. Everything else has to be pulled from supah secret tumblr blogs you have to search for, screenshots of an old website, and from speculation of itself. In regards to mental health, that's where things are quite different from them. Dan seems to be open about being upset, about things getting him down, crisis and mood swings. Failure and uncertainty. Phil, on the other hand, we've learned so little. We know that his friend died, that he sometimes has such bad nightmares and wakes up crying, that he's afraid of death and does everything but confront it, and seems to have quite a case of Peter Pan syndrome. Most importantly, we know that a secret video of his, being emotionally open, was dispensed across the internet for everyone to see, and yet so many people made it all about Dan. Why? Because Dan was the one who opened up about it, insisted it was fake, made a tumblr blog in defense of it, and lashed out at people concerning it. Dan was the open "sufferer" and people still make it all about Dan. We honestly don't know a lot about Phil, only that he's private, but that he's emotionally and mentally quite strong. In the recent interview with Sue, Dan expressed how hate comments don't bother Phil, he's passive and let's it get by without it even bothering him. This same Phil once expressed wanting to delete his channel when he got his first hate comment. This same Phil recounted how a bully stabbed him with a compass and then proceeded to shrug it off. That's Phil. He shrugs off things that could bother him or what other people hold very tightly as a defense. Or just ignores anything that's better off being ignored (death and maturity)seriously, who the fuck wants to talk about death?. He's passive and he's (as far as we can tell) an emotionally strong person that likes to keep things to himself. I think he's had a much more successful adulthood than Dan has, in that he has had the environment to find himself, find out who he is, and emotionally balance himself. Dan hasn't had this opportunity and doesn't know what to do with his life and who he is. But I digress.

I don't think how people talk and view Dan and Phil would change unless they switched places. Arguably, Phil would be more talked about if he were to tackle hard cases head on. I don't think he could put himself out there naked and vulnerable as Dan is able to do, but that's what makes him different. If Phil took on Dan's qualities of being assertive, open, and downright waffly about topics, then he might lose the characteristics that a lot of people like him for. Vice versa for Dan. I would like Phil to be more open, but I don't think I would like him to be more vulnerable, or expose himself. I'm glad that he knows that too, and that him and Dan assert that about him. I don't think anything will change how people on IDB, the phandom, how damn interviewers, and (as Dan puts it) "the filmmakers of YouTube" talk about them. Dan's the approachable "complexity", Phil isn't complex by what he gives, it's what he leaves up to speculation that people are not able to touch.

/word vomit over

gohomohowell wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:13 pm [Offtopic]

:twisted: So, hey, guys, I'm in the mood to ask some uncomfortable questions, just because I'm seeing a lot of mixed opinions recently and wanna know where we all stand: :twisted: Be honest or idk, answer it with alternate facts but you do you

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)

Answer!

[/Offtopic]

I feel like when Dan replies within a minute then it's usually a planned Twitter conversation, or at least they're in the same room as each other. Or maybe I've just been screwed with ever since busgate and their tweets around it back then.

Catallena wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:22 pm

sparkle wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:06 pm LADS LADS LADS

THIS IS A PSA TO GO AND VISIT BALLCLASH.COM

edit: I don't even care if this is top of the page, it makes it better

I was really surprised when I tried it yesterday and Phil hadn't bought it yet but the phandom does not disappoint.


1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil
Neither and no I'm not being indecisive. It's something I've been thinking about lately and while I've spent 5 years switching lanes every few months or so, I've come at the point where I have no clear preference anymore. To me they're truly just better together and in an AU where they have nothing to do with each other they wouldn't have held my interest this long anyway. They both have great and not so great characteristics and I don't find that one bothers me more than the other. In a way the most annoying thing about them is that they're rich white men and they share that so.. I do have a tendency to root for Phil during Dan vs. Phil and stuff in an underdog kinda way. And because Dan is a worse winner than a loser :')

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?
A bunch of times with people on Tumblr but most noticeably with my best friend last summer when we were sitting in Starbucks in London and she confessed she had never seen it and I was so shook I immediately went looking for it to show her. She was a Phannie anyway (look at me being an influencer) but now she does think I'm a little less crazy.

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?
Me, a certified book and tour anti, is glad they got their asses back on YouTube. Their only off-YouTube project I've truly loved was the radio show and that's dead in a ditch. I'm pretty satisfied with their schedule rn as well.

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?
The thing is. I don't think they're ever really gonna make some big deal over coming out to their audience. Not their style and it's not necessary. They seem quite happy dropping hints as much as they're comfortable with and if people don't think that enough then the exit is right there --->

If they reveal relationships that aren't with each other (be it with a girl, boy or other) then my shipper heart will be broken and I might be a bit annoyed (mostly at myself) but good for them I guess? But we ain't gonna find out about any relationships until they'd really commit to that person anyway, they've expressed distaste for public relationships before.

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have?
I've been linked to articles about the death of York student that people speculated was Phil's friend and had discussions about it. At the time it was 'interesting' but in the end it made me incredibly uncomfortable. I've seen other ~secret~ info as well but it always comes out soon after anyway. Funnily enough, I've never known the exact address of the London flat until earlier this year. It wasn't exactly super secret info anymore at some point but I never cared enough to look. I knew the street, that was more than I wanted to know.

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.
Dan's semi intellectual pretentious bullshit, Phil's stagnant content and persona which are both incredibly shallow.

7. What's the average age on this site?
I'm 24.

(lmao at the nicknames btw)

000dia000 wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:31 pm

gohomohowell wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:38 pm It's weird, though. Despite many people claiming they prefer Phil, I think we can all agree that there's a bit of focus on Dan on here. You know, we talk about his mental health a lot more than Phil's just as we talk more about his family than Phil's. Thoughts?

I think, as it was once put, Dan puts forward a lot more ambiguity. He alludes to something and leaves people stumped. Then people come here to talk about it. However, Phil tends to be quite blatant about things and says things outright, or otherwise completely ignores topics and just doesn't discuss it. Think of Dan as having difficulty disguising emotion and letting things blurt out, while Phil is quite tight-lipped and discreet. However, contrary to what people may suggest, there's actually no mystery to Phil (if you consider his words) but Dan's words hold more interpretation. Phil is also sneaky and says things indirectly and kind of off-hand, therefore going under the radar. You see a lot of people commenting "wait....Phil said WHAT!!!" because they miss him his subtlety and general quietness over Dan being quite loud and dominant in videos.

Dan's a bit dramatic. He doesn't upload regularly, and when he does he hypes it up. He calls for people to get excited, then delivers, and there's the positive and negative fallout. He's over dramatic in his videos. He's loud. He get's people's attention. Phil's sometimes lost underneath it all because he's a lot quieter, calmer, more straight-forward.

Also, while I'm not sure everybody's willing to admit it, but Dan just get's more attention because he's more popular. However, I do think people are more open to criticizing him/commending him than they are for Phil. While Phil does get negative attention, usually someone has to point out how Dan is getting so much negative attention that it finally diverts. Dan videos bring up discussions like sexuality, quality content, mental health, secret projects and the like. Phil's video's are more slice of life, talks about himself or things he does. You learn about what he does and what's flashy and bright, but nothing about Phil as a person. Dan presents topics, open for discussion. But Phil presents a picture, and yet people still sometimes miss what's right in front of them.

Also, people might just more subconsciously like Dan. People might just find that there's more to talk about with Dan, even if they prefer Phil, they might not have anything to say beyond what they like about him or his videos. I usually try to make posts about Phil due to these reasons, and analysis (or even call-outs) of him are usually some of the more interesting topics on this forum because of that. Dan can get a little repetitive sometimes, he's more "exciting" but he sure does go around in circles.

Concerning family and mental health: Phil shows his family more than Dan's, so that self explains how Dan's family remains a "mystery." A lot of what we know about him and his family can be easily accessed through videos or social media, they've appeared in videos, and his own brother helps run a company! Dan, on the other hand, we know so little about him and his family from his videos. Everything else has to be pulled from supah secret tumblr blogs you have to search for, screenshots of an old website, and from speculation of itself. In regards to mental health, that's where things are quite different from them. Dan seems to be open about being upset, about things getting him down, crisis and mood swings. Failure and uncertainty. Phil, on the other hand, we've learned so little. We know that his friend died, that he sometimes has such bad nightmares and wakes up crying, that he's afraid of death and does everything but confront it, and seems to have quite a case of Peter Pan syndrome. Most importantly, we know that a secret video of his, being emotionally open, was dispensed across the internet for everyone to see, and yet so many people made it all about Dan. Why? Because Dan was the one who opened up about it, insisted it was fake, made a tumblr blog in defense of it, and lashed out at people concerning it. Dan was the open "sufferer" and people still make it all about Dan. We honestly don't know a lot about Phil, only that he's private, but that he's emotionally and mentally quite strong. In the recent interview with Sue, Dan expressed how hate comments don't bother Phil, he's passive and let's it get by without it even bothering him. This same Phil once expressed wanting to delete his channel when he got his first hate comment. This same Phil recounted how a bully stabbed him with a compass and then proceeded to shrug it off. That's Phil. He shrugs off things that could bother him or what other people hold very tightly as a defense. Or just ignores anything that's better off being ignored (death and maturity)seriously, who the fuck wants to talk about death?. He's passive and he's (as far as we can tell) an emotionally strong person that likes to keep things to himself. I think he's had a much more successful adulthood than Dan has, in that he has had the environment to find himself, find out who he is, and emotionally balance himself. Dan hasn't had this opportunity and doesn't know what to do with his life and who he is. But I digress.

I don't think how people talk and view Dan and Phil would change unless they switched places. Arguably, Phil would be more talked about if he were to tackle hard cases head on. I don't think he could put himself out there naked and vulnerable as Dan is able to do, but that's what makes him different. If Phil took on Dan's qualities of being assertive, open, and downright waffly about topics, then he might lose the characteristics that a lot of people like him for. Vice versa for Dan. I would like Phil to be more open, but I don't think I would like him to be more vulnerable, or expose himself. I'm glad that he knows that too, and that him and Dan assert that about him. I don't think anything will change how people on IDB, the phandom, how damn interviewers, and (as Dan puts it) "the filmmakers of YouTube" talk about them. Dan's the approachable "complexity", Phil isn't complex by what he gives, it's what he leaves up to speculation that people are not able to touch.

/word vomit over

onetruetrash wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:14 pm I have no idea what this is referring to. Someone plz explain

sparkle wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:21 am

Your post also got me thinking about the subtext of Dimple and er, Pimple (idk sorry) in relation to voldy. Do you think part of the reason that Dan was this face of the video leak wasn't because Dan was more hurt by it, but maybe because Dan - who was the subject - was less hurt by it? Because if you believe it being real, it's a very emotional and private Phil being exposed. If you believe it isn't real, it's still something that was never intended for public viewing. I think it was easier for Dan to be the face of this because Dan didnt make it. If anybody is going to be emotionally affected by this, surely it would be the creator more than the person it was made for? (if you believe it to be real) Therefore Dan became the arsehole online because Dan was embarrassed/hurt/thicker skinned than Phil in this situation? I have ALWAYS read this situation as Dan being the one who was hurt and lashing out, but maybe it was Dan protecting somebody he loved who was very hurt, and wasn't lashing out but was choosing to have himself be the face of drama to protect Phil? Because Phil never acknowledged it I always assumed he was more okay than Dan who I read as obviously hurting, but now I'm wondering if the complete opposite was true. Phil was devastated, and they/Dan decided to use Dan to draw attention away from Phil to give him chance to heal.

gohomohowell wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:13 pm [Offtopic]

:twisted: So, hey, guys, I'm in the mood to ask some uncomfortable questions, just because I'm seeing a lot of mixed opinions recently and wanna know where we all stand: :twisted: Be honest or idk, answer it with alternate facts but you do you

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)

Answer!

[/Offtopic]

I feel like when Dan replies within a minute then it's usually a planned Twitter conversation, or at least they're in the same room as each other. Or maybe I've just been screwed with ever since busgate and their tweets around it back then.

sparkle wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:21 am Your post also got me thinking about the subtext of Dimple and er, Pimple (idk sorry) in relation to voldy. Do you think part of the reason that Dan was this face of the video leak wasn't because Dan was more hurt by it, but maybe because Dan - who was the subject - was less hurt by it? Because if you believe it being real, it's a very emotional and private Phil being exposed. If you believe it isn't real, it's still something that was never intended for public viewing. I think it was easier for Dan to be the face of this because Dan didnt make it. If anybody is going to be emotionally affected by this, surely it would be the creator more than the person it was made for? (if you believe it to be real) Therefore Dan became the arsehole online because Dan was embarrassed/hurt/thicker skinned than Phil in this situation? I have ALWAYS read this situation as Dan being the one who was hurt and lashing out, but maybe it was Dan protecting somebody he loved who was very hurt, and wasn't lashing out but was choosing to have himself be the face of drama to protect Phil? Because Phil never acknowledged it I always assumed he was more okay than Dan who I read as obviously hurting, but now I'm wondering if the complete opposite was true. Phil was devastated, and they/Dan decided to use Dan to draw attention away from Phil to give him chance to heal.
(regardless the video IMMEDIATELY after the 2nd leak is Internet Support Group, and Dan isn't okay in that video)

twix wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:49 pm

onetruetrash wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:14 pm What bothers me the most about them combined is the fact that they don't really address the fact their toxic fandom. I know that they can't completely control their fans, but they should say at least something.

many people say that they wish dan and/or phil would address problematic fan behaviors, but i struggle to see how this could happen without it becoming a complete mess that would probably exacerbate whatever it is they're trying to stop. can you (or anyone else) go into more detail about this? like, if you were in their positions, what would you say? can you provide a spec script?

malday wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:40 am

onetruetrash wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:14 pm I have no idea what this is referring to. Someone plz explain

The vday video.

gohomohowell wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:13 pm [Offtopic]

:twisted: So, hey, guys, I'm in the mood to ask some uncomfortable questions, just because I'm seeing a lot of mixed opinions recently and wanna know where we all stand: :twisted: Be honest or idk, answer it with alternate facts but you do you

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less?

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)

Answer!

[/Offtopic]

I feel like when Dan replies within a minute then it's usually a planned Twitter conversation, or at least they're in the same room as each other. Or maybe I've just been screwed with ever since busgate and their tweets around it back then.