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oqua wrote:As a kind of followup to my compilation of Dan and Phil touching each other’s faces, here’s a compilation of Phil touching Dan’s face with various objects (and a few examples of Dan doing it to Phil).

I think it’s such a cute habit of Phil’s and in some instances (definitely not always, but sometimes) it seems to function as a kind of kiss-by-proxy… like he has the object kiss Dan’s face instead of doing it himself (in some cases quite overtly, like with the skull lol).

Some random observations:

• It’s kind of interesting to me how often Phil does it compared to Dan. Even in the examples I could think of where Dan does do it, it's often kind of different in one way or another from how Phil does it.
• Dan’s most frequent response is to say “Thank you.”
• Once again we have examples of Phil being kind of rough with Dan, basically attacking his face with all manner of different objects, and Dan obviously trusting him enough that he doesn’t even blink half the time.

wall-e


lion


(It's interesting how Dan holds the lion close to Phil’s face for Phil to kiss, but ultimately Phil brings his lips to it of his own volition, but Phil touches the Wall-e toy directly to Dan’s chin. Like, I'm probably reading way too much into this, but it's like Phil wants to kiss Dan, so he does it with the Wall-e, whereas Dan wants to be kissed and kind of lets the lion stand in for himself. Though Dan does end up licking the Wall-e, so idk what I'm talking about really lol.)

stickers
http://fringecringes.tumblr.com/post/14 ... heeky-grin


D: “Press the ‘be a fan’ button and— What have you just stuck to my face? Oh, it’s just a blue thing, that’s fine.”

batter

P: “Bear.” (I know, I know, he might not actually be saying “Bear,” but my phannie heart believes that he is. lmao.)

giant spider

D: “No, no, no!”
P: “It’s my new pet!”
D: “It’s the worst thing in the world.”

plasma ball
http://cloudyoongi.tumblr.com/post/7301 ... lasma-ball

P: “I dare you to put your nose on that.”
D: “No.”
P: “Do it!”

video game controller
http://amazingphil-gifs.tumblr.com/post ... hil-halo-3


whap
http://internetcultleader.tumblr.com/post/98335059318/x


spoon
http://dailyphan.tumblr.com/post/97966578821 (michaelmemeford)


balloon
http://napkincole.tumblr.com/post/11497 ... just-dance

D: “Why should I agree to this?”
P: “Just because…friendship.”

hand puppet
http://ughbeckyy.tumblr.com/post/120786258899

D: “Thanks, Phil.”

cupcake tray

P: “I’m gonna have to wash this now ‘cause it’s been on your face.”
D: “Rude.”

skull
http://octolevi.tumblr.com/post/1276911 ... -freddys-4



P: “Eww, he’s making out with a skull. Eww, look at him, laugh at him!”
D: “Bye.”

horns
http://phanbeans.tumblr.com/post/132105 ... n-your-pet


P: “Stop it!”
D: “Sorry.”

red hand
http://ghouluke.tumblr.com/post/1320889 ... l-yeah-its


D: “Thank you, Phil.”
P: “How does it feel?”
D: “Yeah, it’s scratchy, thank you, actually yeah.”

face mold
http://riphowell.tumblr.com/post/150220027392/face-mold


P: “Do you want a face mold?”
D: “You—”
P: “Face mold!”

moth
http://darkphannie.tumblr.com/post/150597097674

P: “Brrr!”

vibrating cat paw
http://count-pyotr-kirillovich.tumblr.c ... 7115701274


D: “Thanks.”

rubber chicken
http://theamazingdandillion.tumblr.com/ ... 4216249198


eye mask
http://damnhcwell.tumblr.com/post/15097 ... ce-is-that


P: “Feel that! How nice is that?”
D: “Oh damn that’s nice.”

http://riphowell.tumblr.com/post/150988102697


P: “No, no, no, don’t!”
D: “Oh Phil, but I thought you liked it! I thought you wanted to talk about it more!”
P: “No! No that’s not fair!”

Speaking of the kiss-by-proxy thing, I also threw together this small compilation of them ordering each other to kiss/blow into/hug/touch various objects. I’m sure there are other similar instances; these are just the ones I could think of off the top of my head. (I also feel like there are some interesting conclusions that could be drawn about their power dynamic from these examples, but I'm not sure what it would be lol.)

http://koalaphil.tumblr.com/post/117871 ... ssing-saga


http://koalaphil.tumblr.com/post/117871 ... ssing-saga







http://mrphaniplier.tumblr.com/post/109546822820



http://danhowcll.co.vu/post/149286976141

IckleMissMayhem wrote:I think it's fairly equal, tbh... (From what I remember off the top off my head, Dan smushes a christmas cookie into Phil's mouth, and gets force-fed an easter nest?) but "Captain Lester" has probably tipped the scale somewhat...

Reckon that might go up on AP/LAP somewhen soon, since all the song stuff went on DINOF&DINI.

eevee wrote:omg thank you oqua I'm absolutely living for these

dezzawintz wrote:Oqua your dedication to compilations is appreciated.

I went off on one yesterday and did a whole musical analysis of their song and BiShoe said I should put my thoughts here so they're under the spoiler! I study music and have been training in various styles of singing for 12 years, so them releasing a song gave me an indescribable amount of joy. Honestly, I was having the time of my life; musical analysis and deppy at the same time makes my nerdy heart soar.

OKAY, buckle in friends; this is going to be a long one. First thing's first, I want to say that I'm incredibly impressed. I made a post about their singing last year on the website that shall not be named; I watched about a million videos of them singing for it and I have to say, they've come on LEAPS AND BOUNDS in a very short space of time and they should really be proud of themselves. Can't think who mentioned it now (sorry friend), but the Phantom of the Opera video is a great comparison point. It still sounds good but you can hear the improvement:



Dan has previously relied on his highest register in most of the available examples of them singing (known as falsetto). The only time I can think of where he didn't is this video:



He once said in a liveshow that he sings in his falsetto because he isn't a great singer, so I think he uses it as a coping mechanism. You can hear his lack of confidence in the banana clip, and he goes up to his falsetto at the end anyway. He's done really well to get out of the habit of doing it.

He also said in that liveshow that his voice was very "gappy", and that some areas of it sounded horrible. THAT'S TOTALLY A THING, everyone has that, even professional singers. It's known as the passaggio, and it's just a few notes in between each register that don't sound as nice as the rest of the voice. If you've ever heard people talk about head voice (high) and chest voice (low) the passaggio is the gaps inbetween those sections of the voice, so like: lowest voice --> few dodgy notes --> middle voice --> few dodgy notes --> high voice --> few dodgy notes --> falsetto.

It takes YEARS to fix it. It's been 12 years and mine is still hanging around. The range of the melody in 'The Internet Is Here' is actually quite big, so it would have been impossible to not have parts where their singing is weaker. It's almost 2 octaves, here's an audio representation of what that means:



I think Phil is the main victim of that here. Phil has a low voice type (baritone or bass) and the song is written for a high voice type (tenor). The order goes, from high to low:

Counter Tenor (sings falsetto)
Tenor (most low-voiced pop music, except Hozier lol)
Baritone
Bass
Contra-bass (very low and rare)

The song is bam smack in the tenor range, with Phil's solo at the beginning starting right at the bottom of it:


(he starts on the second yellow piano key on the left, and ends on the second black piano key to the right of the dot in the middle)

The song starts in a different key to the majority of it, because Phil's voice is lower than Dan's and it's his solo. (For anyone who cares, it starts in G major, Phil's solo finishes on V/the dominant, "sing it with a friend" (0:36), and then there's a small jazzy section on the dominant before they move up a semitone into Eb major; a move that I will ALWAYS associate with Westlife when they get up of their stools and the key changes. Anyone know what I'm talking about?)

#spon but I worked out the chords for the first half of the song on the piano and there's some really fun jazzy ones in there!

Also #spon2themax but you should totally follow me and also go 2 my youtube because I sing there and I don't know if you can tell but I love everything about singing

But yeah, Phil is the passaggio victim of it being put in a tenor range. Most musical theatre numbers for low voices are in a tenor range so it might have been a thematic decision, or perhaps Dan might have struggled with his lower register? It's a strange choice but I think they would have had the same struggles in any key because of the song having a fairly wide range and them not having a lot of time to polish it (like I said, it takes years to hone!). Now let's go on a journey where we listen to Phil's passaggio!



He goes flat where he struggles. Some examples: (0:15) "brighten up my day" - day is flat, (0:27) "how the show should end" - how is flat, (0:36) "sing it with a friend - friend is flat.

On "day"; can you hear that the sound is a bit strangled because he's stuck between his chest voice (low) and his head voice (high). What he should do is imagine he has to sit on the note from above rather than attack it from below, but I can literally hear his brain thinking "now is when I go high!" To be fair it is a run upwards so that's natural unless you do a lot of practice to kill the instinct; you can hear how much his voice wants to resonate in his forehead but he panics.

A noticeable one is when both he and Dan sing "when you've got lots of followers" - the fol in followers is FLAT (1:44), and it's especially noticeable because Dan isn't. He does it again the second time, and the third time but it's a lot better, and then his whole end run is a bit dodgy. NO SHAME though, he still sounds great and lord knows I'm pitchy af too after 12 years hahaha. I do want to reiterate that they've done an amazing job, but that doesn't stop my songstress ass analysing their voices. I quite like that it's a bit off tbh, and someone was going to have to sing some notes that they struggled with. Phil took one for the team.

They could both do with work on their support and breath control (same). Support is supporting the sound with mainly your diaphragm/stomach and various other body parts, and breath control is how long you can sustain a note/melody. The better your support, the better your breath control (breath control also includes how to breathe properly/when to breathe). That being said, Dan definitely has a cold affecting his singing; he takes a breath before "me" (1:15) and he didn't do that in the show.

I thought that having Dan sing the lower part and Phil sing the higher part at the end was an interesting choice and a stroke of genius tbh (now a Jimmy Jewell stan), because Dan's voice is higher than Phil's, but I suspect that Phil would be nervous about the harmony/more confident singing the tune. A good example of Dan naturally gravitating higher is this (1:15) (oh hey, Dan's falsetto):



(OT, but I find that singing moment so fascinating because they lose confidence but they didn't even make a mistake!)

ALSO a thing that's really making me laugh is how they pronounce their t's! They're so heavy; I reckon they learned it like that because it had to be audible in a theatre (someone said something a few pages ago about having to over-exaggerate your movements to make them visible to the audience and you also have to do it with speaking and singing). It's not right for a studio recording, but it's cute. Their pronunciation in general is really good, I didn't miss a single word! I find Phil's sliding issue interesting because his solution is to almost bite the sound away and shorten it, if that makes sense? It's noticeable at points but he did a great job of not going to either extreme the majority of the time.

I said it in the post on the website that shall not be named and I'll say it again: they both have really lovely, colourful, warm voices. Dan also has a MASSIVE range, which is probably why he notices so many gaps (not sure what it is, but it's big). If they wanted to, I'm sure they could be really skilled singers. I want Phil to be a bass in a choir, because his bass section is delicious. Imagine him singing this, I think I'd melt:



Dan could be anything from a counter tenor to a baritone, but he should be a counter tenor because there aren't many about. Example of a counter tenor here:



Goddd, It sends tingles all through my body, such a haunting voice type. Mmm.

Both of those dreams of mine would mean they'd have to train classically (there are a few classical styles, but the only one I know about is bel canto, meaning beautiful song in Italian. I think it's the most common classical type?? but I'm unsure so don't quote me on that). Deppy are doing a thing called belt singing which is a really common musical theatre style (think Carrie Hope Fletcher). The main difference between the two, other than the style, is that belt singing is about trying to sing all through the range in your chest voice, whereas bel canto is about changing technique in different sections of the voice (chest voice = low, head voice = high) and learning to do it smoothly. They're both hard techniques to master; singing is a lot harder than it looks.

ANYWAY, that's my analysis, woo! If anyone has any questions feel free to shoot them my way! I never know the balance between under and over explaining things so I'm sorry if this either made no sense to you or was super obvious information. I've gone over everything to check it but I might be wrong in places, so apologies for any inconsistencies!! I hope y'all have a gr8 day.

dezzawintz wrote:Oqua your dedication to compilations is appreciated.

I went off on one yesterday and did a whole musical analysis of their song and BiShoe said I should put my thoughts here so they're under the spoiler! I study music and have been training in various styles of singing for 12 years, so them releasing a song gave me an indescribable amount of joy. Honestly, I was having the time of my life; musical analysis and deppy at the same time makes my nerdy heart soar.

OKAY, buckle in friends; this is going to be a long one. First thing's first, I want to say that I'm incredibly impressed. I made a post about their singing last year on the website that shall not be named; I watched about a million videos of them singing for it and I have to say, they've come on LEAPS AND BOUNDS in a very short space of time and they should really be proud of themselves. Can't think who mentioned it now (sorry friend), but the Phantom of the Opera video is a great comparison point. It still sounds good but you can hear the improvement:



Dan has previously relied on his highest register in most of the available examples of them singing (known as falsetto). The only time I can think of where he didn't is this video:



He once said in a liveshow that he sings in his falsetto because he isn't a great singer, so I think he uses it as a coping mechanism. You can hear his lack of confidence in the banana clip, and he goes up to his falsetto at the end anyway. He's done really well to get out of the habit of doing it.

He also said in that liveshow that his voice was very "gappy", and that some areas of it sounded horrible. THAT'S TOTALLY A THING, everyone has that, even professional singers. It's known as the passaggio, and it's just a few notes in between each register that don't sound as nice as the rest of the voice. If you've ever heard people talk about head voice (high) and chest voice (low) the passaggio is the gaps inbetween those sections of the voice, so like: lowest voice --> few dodgy notes --> middle voice --> few dodgy notes --> high voice --> few dodgy notes --> falsetto.

It takes YEARS to fix it. It's been 12 years and mine is still hanging around. The range of the melody in 'The Internet Is Here' is actually quite big, so it would have been impossible to not have parts where their singing is weaker. It's almost 2 octaves, here's an audio representation of what that means:



I think Phil is the main victim of that here. Phil has a low voice type (baritone or bass) and the song is written for a high voice type (tenor). The order goes, from high to low:

Counter Tenor (sings falsetto)
Tenor (most low-voiced pop music, except Hozier lol)
Baritone
Bass
Contra-bass (very low and rare)

The song is bam smack in the tenor range, with Phil's solo at the beginning starting right at the bottom of it:


(he starts on the second yellow piano key on the left, and ends on the second black piano key to the right of the dot in the middle)

The song starts in a different key to the majority of it, because Phil's voice is lower than Dan's and it's his solo. (For anyone who cares, it starts in G major, Phil's solo finishes on V/the dominant, "sing it with a friend" (0:36), and then there's a small jazzy section on the dominant before they move up a semitone into Eb major; a move that I will ALWAYS associate with Westlife when they get up of their stools and the key changes. Anyone know what I'm talking about?)

#spon but I worked out the chords for the first half of the song on the piano and there's some really fun jazzy ones in there!

Also #spon2themax but you should totally follow me and also go 2 my youtube because I sing there and I don't know if you can tell but I love everything about singing

But yeah, Phil is the passaggio victim of it being put in a tenor range. Most musical theatre numbers for low voices are in a tenor range so it might have been a thematic decision, or perhaps Dan might have struggled with his lower register? It's a strange choice but I think they would have had the same struggles in any key because of the song having a fairly wide range and them not having a lot of time to polish it (like I said, it takes years to hone!). Now let's go on a journey where we listen to Phil's passaggio!



He goes flat where he struggles. Some examples: (0:15) "brighten up my day" - day is flat, (0:27) "how the show should end" - how is flat, (0:36) "sing it with a friend - friend is flat.

On "day"; can you hear that the sound is a bit strangled because he's stuck between his chest voice (low) and his head voice (high). What he should do is imagine he has to sit on the note from above rather than attack it from below, but I can literally hear his brain thinking "now is when I go high!" To be fair it is a run upwards so that's natural unless you do a lot of practice to kill the instinct; you can hear how much his voice wants to resonate in his forehead but he panics.

A noticeable one is when both he and Dan sing "when you've got lots of followers" - the fol in followers is FLAT (1:44), and it's especially noticeable because Dan isn't. He does it again the second time, and the third time but it's a lot better, and then his whole end run is a bit dodgy. NO SHAME though, he still sounds great and lord knows I'm pitchy af too after 12 years hahaha. I do want to reiterate that they've done an amazing job, but that doesn't stop my songstress ass analysing their voices. I quite like that it's a bit off tbh, and someone was going to have to sing some notes that they struggled with. Phil took one for the team.

They could both do with work on their support and breath control (same). Support is supporting the sound with mainly your diaphragm/stomach and various other body parts, and breath control is how long you can sustain a note/melody. The better your support, the better your breath control (breath control also includes how to breathe properly/when to breathe). That being said, Dan definitely has a cold affecting his singing; he takes a breath before "me" (1:15) and he didn't do that in the show.

I thought that having Dan sing the lower part and Phil sing the higher part at the end was an interesting choice and a stroke of genius tbh (now a Jimmy Jewell stan), because Dan's voice is higher than Phil's, but I suspect that Phil would be nervous about the harmony/more confident singing the tune. A good example of Dan naturally gravitating higher is this (1:15) (oh hey, Dan's falsetto):



(OT, but I find that singing moment so fascinating because they lose confidence but they didn't even make a mistake!)

ALSO a thing that's really making me laugh is how they pronounce their t's! They're so heavy; I reckon they learned it like that because it had to be audible in a theatre (someone said something a few pages ago about having to over-exaggerate your movements to make them visible to the audience and you also have to do it with speaking and singing). It's not right for a studio recording, but it's cute. Their pronunciation in general is really good, I didn't miss a single word! I find Phil's sliding issue interesting because his solution is to almost bite the sound away and shorten it, if that makes sense? It's noticeable at points but he did a great job of not going to either extreme the majority of the time.

I said it in the post on the website that shall not be named and I'll say it again: they both have really lovely, colourful, warm voices. Dan also has a MASSIVE range, which is probably why he notices so many gaps (not sure what it is, but it's big). If they wanted to, I'm sure they could be really skilled singers. I want Phil to be a bass in a choir, because his bass section is delicious. Imagine him singing this, I think I'd melt:



Dan could be anything from a counter tenor to a baritone, but he should be a counter tenor because there aren't many about. Example of a counter tenor here:



Goddd, It sends tingles all through my body, such a haunting voice type. Mmm.

Both of those dreams of mine would mean they'd have to train classically (there are a few classical styles, but the only one I know about is bel canto, meaning beautiful song in Italian. I think it's the most common classical type?? but I'm unsure so don't quote me on that). Deppy are doing a thing called belt singing which is a really common musical theatre style (think Carrie Hope Fletcher). The main difference between the two, other than the style, is that belt singing is about trying to sing all through the range in your chest voice, whereas bel canto is about changing technique in different sections of the voice (chest voice = low, head voice = high) and learning to do it smoothly. They're both hard techniques to master; singing is a lot harder than it looks.

ANYWAY, that's my analysis, woo! If anyone has any questions feel free to shoot them my way! I never know the balance between under and over explaining things so I'm sorry if this either made no sense to you or was super obvious information. I've gone over everything to check it but I might be wrong in places, so apologies for any inconsistencies!! I hope y'all have a gr8 day.

dezzawintz wrote:The song starts in a different key to the majority of it, because Phil's voice is lower than Dan's and it's his solo. (For anyone who cares, it starts in G major, Phil's solo finishes on V/the dominant, "sing it with a friend" (0:36), and then there's a small jazzy section on the dominant before they move up a semitone into Eb major; a move that I will ALWAYS associate with Westlife when they get up of their stools and the key changes. Anyone know what I'm talking about?)

dezzawintz wrote:I thought that having Dan sing the lower part and Phil sing the higher part at the end was an interesting choice and a stroke of genius tbh (now a Jimmy Jewell stan), because Dan's voice is higher than Phil's, but I suspect that Phil would be nervous about the harmony/more confident singing the tune.

dezzawintz wrote:I find Phil's sliding issue interesting because his solution is to almost bite the sound away and shorten it, if that makes sense? It's noticeable at points but he did a great job of not going to either extreme the majority of the time.

dezzawintz wrote:I want Phil to be a bass in a choir, because his bass section is delicious

IckleMissMayhem wrote:

Stand by for food tweets tomorrow kids.

SquishPhan wrote:

IckleMissMayhem wrote:

Stand by for food tweets tomorrow kids.

Love the Lesters.

oqua wrote:As a kind of followup to my compilation of Dan and Phil touching each other’s faces, here’s a compilation of Phil touching Dan’s face with various objects (and a few examples of Dan doing it to Phil).

I think it’s such a cute habit of Phil’s and in some instances (definitely not always, but sometimes) it seems to function as a kind of kiss-by-proxy… like he has the object kiss Dan’s face instead of doing it himself (in some cases quite overtly, like with the skull lol).

Some random observations:

• It’s kind of interesting to me how often Phil does it compared to Dan. Even in the examples I could think of where Dan does do it, it's often kind of different in one way or another from how Phil does it.
• Dan’s most frequent response is to say “Thank you.”
• Once again we have examples of Phil being kind of rough with Dan, basically attacking his face with all manner of different objects, and Dan obviously trusting him enough that he doesn’t even blink half the time.

wall-e


lion


(It's interesting how Dan holds the lion close to Phil’s face for Phil to kiss, but ultimately Phil brings his lips to it of his own volition, but Phil touches the Wall-e toy directly to Dan’s chin. Like, I'm probably reading way too much into this, but it's like Phil wants to kiss Dan, so he does it with the Wall-e, whereas Dan wants to be kissed and kind of lets the lion stand in for himself. Though Dan does end up licking the Wall-e, so idk what I'm talking about really lol.)

stickers
http://fringecringes.tumblr.com/post/14 ... heeky-grin


D: “Press the ‘be a fan’ button and— What have you just stuck to my face? Oh, it’s just a blue thing, that’s fine.”

batter

P: “Bear.” (I know, I know, he might not actually be saying “Bear,” but my phannie heart believes that he is. lmao.)

giant spider

D: “No, no, no!”
P: “It’s my new pet!”
D: “It’s the worst thing in the world.”

plasma ball
http://cloudyoongi.tumblr.com/post/7301 ... lasma-ball

P: “I dare you to put your nose on that.”
D: “No.”
P: “Do it!”

video game controller
http://amazingphil-gifs.tumblr.com/post ... hil-halo-3


whap
http://internetcultleader.tumblr.com/post/98335059318/x


spoon
http://dailyphan.tumblr.com/post/97966578821 (michaelmemeford)


balloon
http://napkincole.tumblr.com/post/11497 ... just-dance

D: “Why should I agree to this?”
P: “Just because…friendship.”

hand puppet
http://ughbeckyy.tumblr.com/post/120786258899

D: “Thanks, Phil.”

cupcake tray

P: “I’m gonna have to wash this now ‘cause it’s been on your face.”
D: “Rude.”

skull
http://octolevi.tumblr.com/post/1276911 ... -freddys-4



P: “Eww, he’s making out with a skull. Eww, look at him, laugh at him!”
D: “Bye.”

horns
http://phanbeans.tumblr.com/post/132105 ... n-your-pet


P: “Stop it!”
D: “Sorry.”

red hand
http://ghouluke.tumblr.com/post/1320889 ... l-yeah-its


D: “Thank you, Phil.”
P: “How does it feel?”
D: “Yeah, it’s scratchy, thank you, actually yeah.”

face mold
http://riphowell.tumblr.com/post/150220027392/face-mold


P: “Do you want a face mold?”
D: “You—”
P: “Face mold!”

moth
http://darkphannie.tumblr.com/post/150597097674

P: “Brrr!”

vibrating cat paw
http://count-pyotr-kirillovich.tumblr.c ... 7115701274


D: “Thanks.”

rubber chicken
http://theamazingdandillion.tumblr.com/ ... 4216249198


eye mask
http://damnhcwell.tumblr.com/post/15097 ... ce-is-that


P: “Feel that! How nice is that?”
D: “Oh damn that’s nice.”

http://riphowell.tumblr.com/post/150988102697


P: “No, no, no, don’t!”
D: “Oh Phil, but I thought you liked it! I thought you wanted to talk about it more!”
P: “No! No that’s not fair!”

Speaking of the kiss-by-proxy thing, I also threw together this small compilation of them ordering each other to kiss/blow into/hug/touch various objects. I’m sure there are other similar instances; these are just the ones I could think of off the top of my head. (I also feel like there are some interesting conclusions that could be drawn about their power dynamic from these examples, but I'm not sure what it would be lol.)

http://koalaphil.tumblr.com/post/117871 ... ssing-saga


http://koalaphil.tumblr.com/post/117871 ... ssing-saga







http://mrphaniplier.tumblr.com/post/109546822820



http://danhowcll.co.vu/post/149286976141