Dan & Phil Part 51: Master of Erotic Massages

[jaej]

people would complain that they didn't talk about that, people would complain that they weren't doing enough for the lgbtq community, people would complain that they should get a kid, people would complain that there isn't enough PDA. heaven help us all if they broke up, but still wanted to continue working together on their empire.

this reminded me about the insistence that they will/should have a kid soon, man that's crazy. it's been going on since dan was like 22, how can you seriously look at them and think "yeah, give it another year or so and they'll be great parents" when they're going to have to chnage, like, their entire lifestyle in order to have kids. they either don't go out for ages or are out basically every night at an event a baby can't be at or they're travelling from place to place for short periods of the year. ugh heaven forbid they be the "my 7 month old is completely welcome in this bar/expensive restraint/plane" type of parents . saying you like kids doesn't mean you should have them anytime soon. not here for the "you're never REALLY ready to have kids, you learn as you have them!! kids are the best thing, they love you unconditionally!!" things, literally just a guide on how to abuse and neglect your child but deny it.

if it comes to it though i really hope they would adopt and not use a surrogate or anything. don't contribute to horrible pollution levels lads.

[bluntedclaws]

Oh my goodness it's been hard to keep up the past few days. Kudos to all the house layout detectives!

Re the sleepless night video: (Sorry if this is a waffly mess. I'm not very good at opinions.)
I genuinely don't think its about privacy. It's about fear of the unknown. Fear of not knowing what would happen if Phan were conclusively proved to be real. (Or not real, for that matter although I personally don't think that's very likely. )

In Dan's dis-track he said "The only reason you get views is you're another white guy that people ship with his friend."

I know the dis-track was supposed to be a joke but it contained a LOT of truths about how Dan thinks his audience perceives him. I think they're both extremely aware that a lot of their popularity is due to the shipping. If they confirm Phan, there's a possibility that people will lose interest. That must be an extremely scary thought.

I'm sure initially their Phan denials were about privacy. They were "outed" very suddenly and against their will and they were completely unprepared for it which was horrible for them. However, Phil is a very savvy businessman and he knows that the ambiguity is at least partly responsible for a dedicated and enthusiastic fan base who will re-watch their videos looking for details and evidence and several years later I can't help thinking that that job security may be more of a motivator than privacy. Don't get me wrong. I don't think this is necessarily completely calculated. It may not be a conscious thing on his part but it has become second nature to him to maintain the Amazingphil "innocent, sunshiny single guy" persona on camera and it works for him. His audience is engaged and (slowly) growing so why jeopardize that by being too honest?

I do wonder whether it's something that they're in complete agreement on though. Dan said in a live show not long ago (sorry I can't remember the exact wording) that he was happier and less stressed when he was being his true self and he seems to have been living by that. Everyone has noticed how much more open he's been recently. He's no longer hiding or denying his other-than-straight sexuality and he's been open about mental health issues and really chatty and opinionated on a lot of subjects. He seems happier and it seems like being more honest has been a good move for him but obviously he can't be honest about his relationship with Phil if Phil wants to remain ambiguous.

[lost686girl]

people would complain that they didn't talk about that, people would complain that they weren't doing enough for the lgbtq community, people would complain that they should get a kid, people would complain that there isn't enough PDA. heaven help us all if they broke up, but still wanted to continue working together on their empire.

this reminded me about the insistence that they will/should have a kid soon, man that's crazy. it's been going on since dan was like 22, how can you seriously look at them and think "yeah, give it another year or so and they'll be great parents" when they're going to have to chnage, like, their entire lifestyle in order to have kids. they either don't go out for ages or are out basically every night at an event a baby can't be at or they're travelling from place to place for short periods of the year. ugh heaven forbid they be the "my 7 month old is completely welcome in this bar/expensive restraint/plane" type of parents . saying you like kids doesn't mean you should have them anytime soon. not here for the "you're never REALLY ready to have kids, you learn as you have them!! kids are the best thing, they love you unconditionally!!" things, literally just a guide on how to abuse and neglect your child but deny it.

if it comes to it though i really hope they would adopt and not use a surrogate or anything. don't contribute to horrible pollution levels lads.

I'm pretty sure they can do whatever the hell they want, whenever they want. Insisting that they aren't ready for kids is in the same vein as insisting they need one right meow.

[sparkle]

I have a serious question. How many people are sticking around for the are they/aren't they? I see so much discourse about it being 'the only reason people watch' but... is it? Does it not just turn people off??

Also re: the kid thing. Listen to how Dan talks about his childhood and parents, do you really think that man wants kids any time soon?

[bluntedclaws]

I have a serious question. How many people are sticking around for the are they/aren't they? I see so much discourse about it being 'the only reason people watch' but... is it? Does it not just turn people off??

Also re: the kid thing. Listen to how Dan talks about his childhood and parents, do you really think that man wants kids any time soon?

It's certainly not the only reason I watch them. I think Dan is fascinating and hilarious and I love their chemistry together regardless of whether or not they're shagging.
I bet there are some who only watch for the shipping though and there's no way for Deppy to figure out how coming out would affect them without actually doing it. It's not like they can have a trial run to see what happens!

[Lucyrg95]

What's the motivation for not just outright denying phan right now? Can anyone see them doing that in 2017, in this post baking universe? It's been a long old while since a denial. They're kind of in a catch 22 and it might spur on the whole queer baiting argument but I do wonder what goes through their minds.

I wish I could bake a cake filled with rainbows and smiles and everyone would eat and be happy

[alittledizzy]

Surprisingly informative robo-Dan tweet. Informative in the replies, at least. Referencing a project?

and some domestic

with a gaming update

[missemma]

I have a serious question. How many people are sticking around for the are they/aren't they? I see so much discourse about it being 'the only reason people watch' but... is it? Does it not just turn people off??

I'm definitely not here just for the relationship, in fact I don't give a shit about it at all, if they're happy then I'm happy whatever that may be. Sometimes the over discussion (especially when people are reaching soooo hard) of their relationship does annoy me, and when people get extra defensive when someone who doesn't believe in their relationship appears that does start me off with an eye roll or two (the term antiphan actually makes me cringe so hard as it's hardly a thing anymore). I'm here because I find them hilarious, they have good bants, I love their gaming videos and mostly because I love the community we have built here.

[sarmstr2]

I have a serious question. How many people are sticking around for the are they/aren't they? I see so much discourse about it being 'the only reason people watch' but... is it? Does it not just turn people off??

I'm definitely not here just for the relationship, in fact I don't give a shit about it at all, if they're happy then I'm happy whatever that may be. Sometimes the over discussion (especially when people are reaching soooo hard) of their relationship does annoy me, and when people get extra defensive when someone who doesn't believe in their relationship appears that does start me off with an eye roll or two (the term antiphan actually makes me cringe so hard as it's hardly a thing anymore). I'm here because I find them hilarious, they have good bants, I love their gaming videos and mostly because I love the community we have built here.

This describes me perfectly.

[Birdie]

What's the motivation for not just outright denying phan right now? Can anyone see them doing that in 2017, in this post baking universe? It's been a long old while since a denial. They're kind of in a catch 22 and it might spur on the whole queer baiting argument but I do wonder what goes through their minds.

The backlash, I'd say. People are already falling over themselves calling them liars, I think if they denied phan at this point, a lot of people would lose their shit. "BUT YOU SAID THIS AND YOU DID THAT". Something that I see the phandom do a lot, on here and on other platforms, is convincing themselves that Dan and Phil's behaviour towards each other is couply and must be romantic, even though that's not the only possible interpretation. Nothing wrong with that at all, everyone interprets stuff differently, but I think a lot of fans, especially younger fans, would flip out if deppy denied phan at this stage because "They acted so couply and romantic and heart eyes, this was queerbaiting all along, I hate them, I don't want to see them ever again!" No matter what they do at this point, whether they come out or deny phan, there will be horrible backlash and I don't think deppy are ready to face that either way.

I have a serious question. How many people are sticking around for the are they/aren't they? I see so much discourse about it being 'the only reason people watch' but... is it? Does it not just turn people off??

I think you might be asking the wrong people actually. Deppy have a lot of fans that are only in it for the shipping (fujoshi culture and all) but I doubt those fans would make an account on IDB. But it does happen quite a lot, it's definitely a thing on Tumblr. I don't know about other parts of the phandom though.

[Loafer]

I have a serious question. How many people are sticking around for the are they/aren't they? I see so much discourse about it being 'the only reason people watch' but... is it? Does it not just turn people off??

Also re: the kid thing. Listen to how Dan talks about his childhood and parents, do you really think that man wants kids any time soon?

I've really never bought the idea that they are deliberately keeping their relationship ambiguous for the views. Like I really really don't see it. I don't watch their videos for hints about their relationship, I watch them because they are entertaining as heck and I love their chemistry. I'm genuinely baffled by queerbaiting arguments, because they really, really don't tease their relationship at all. They act cozy and casual but hardly ever reveal anything about their relationship that isn't out of bounds of what is to be expected of people who have been bffs for as long as they have. my sympathies to anyone who watches their videos strictly to get direct hints and be tossed a bone about their relationship status, because they must be very disappointed. I'm trying to think of a moment I could confidently consider ship baiting in their recent videos and...I got nothing. Even in crash bandicoot where they were acting #married, the personal ancedotes were funny but not like, romantic or suggestive or more than friendly. It's their overall vibe that gives people the impression that they are a couple, which I really don't think they can help much without risking their videos becoming weird and awkward.

I think the opposite is true. I think they know they are the biggest ship on YouTube (that I can think of, def in the top 3) they are known for Phan (try guys skit anyone?) and I think that on top of just wanting privacy for what is likely a very important and incredible personal part of their lives, they want to separate themselves from Phan as much as they can. The shipping with Phil bc kawaii part of Dans diss track comes across as bitter to me. I imagine it's annoying to be wanting to be taken seriously as a creator and entertainer when the audience is constantly squeeing about your relationship status. I know most fans talk about both their relationship and their content, but I'm sure the Phan related comments stick out, especially if they don't like seeing them. I imagine the idea state is, they continue to make videos which are creative and artistic, and if anyone is curious about their relationship they can google it and see, why yes, they are together. No big deal. Unfortunately, they've dug themselves a pretty big hole and any sort of coming out would not be quiet at all, they would be forced to draw more attention/tie their careers to Phan even more than it already is.

Basically, I think I'm the people who are only watching them for the ship will stick around if they came out (because their ship would be sailing and that is always nice) but idb traffic might slow down a little hah

[quercussp]

I have a serious question. How many people are sticking around for the are they/aren't they? I see so much discourse about it being 'the only reason people watch' but... is it? Does it not just turn people off??

Also re: the kid thing. Listen to how Dan talks about his childhood and parents, do you really think that man wants kids any time soon?

You can hate me, but if they decide to split up (physically or creatively), I probably will lose interest. It might sound awful, but their chemistry is what lured me in, and I need a constant pull to be interested in something, because I lose interest pretty quickly. Also, I'm one of those people that is very invested in other people's lives, and that is what makes me be a fan of something (in other words I can't be a casual fan at all). And that is why if something were to happen between them that would drive them away from each other I would be very upset and probably would distance myself for self-preservation.

EDIT: I realized that that's not exactly what was asked. But in any case if it came out a 100% that Phan isn't true (and the only way I could see that happening if they move out and start a relationship with someone else - hence the separating) I might lose interest.

[goingbackto505]

I have a serious question. How many people are sticking around for the are they/aren't they? I see so much discourse about it being 'the only reason people watch' but... is it? Does it not just turn people off??

I don't watch them for the "are they/aren't they" reason at all, I watch them (mostly Phil) to laugh at their jokes and get some "positive vibes", and personally I don't even think that much about their relationship status or sexualities when I watch their videos. I feel bad whenever I think of many intrusive speculations and all the fetishization DnP are forced to see in their comment sections and in their mentions, and it's annoying to me that so many people apparently only care about the private aspects of their lives and not about their actual content/them as real human beings. they're being treated as if they're fictional characters in a tv show. even though the 2009/11 phan fascinates me, I just assume they're either not together currently and want to leave the past in the past, or there never was anything actually serious between them and they have always been rather two platonic best friends who went through a "phase". and I think I'm going to stick with that "version" until (or if) ever decide to tell a different story. in all honestly though, I mostly don't care that much. unfortunately out of the two of them Dan is the only one who's more "lucky" to have a decent amount of casual viewers who couldn't care less about his sexuality, his sex positions, where he sleeps, his and Phil's relationship and all that jazz. judging by the comments both of them receive, the vast majority of Phil's audience are "demon phannies" who seem to never know how and when to stfu I don't like the obvious fanservice they (mostly Dan) do and I don't like that they never speak out anymore re: the shipping, the obsessiveness of some of the shippers, etc, but what can we do, tbh many of their videos make me feel better and from what I can tell they're good people, so they definitely deserve to be respected more, which is something that just won't happen anytime soon, knowing the phandom's tendencies. everyone just likes to be nosey and "play detectives", which to me personally isn't enjoyable but rather stresses me out lol.

[Speedygonz33]

Kind of a useless question but just asking what other people think...
Is the meeting that Dan went to that may have to do with the August secret project about Dan and Phil or just a Dan thing? Based on how Dan talked about it, i think it has more to do with Dan than Phil but maybe we'll find out soon.
Also irks me that we haven't gotten much Dan content recently and I really want to find out about this project

[awkwardly]

I am sorry as I'm unable to catch up in depth with the discussion (started with Phil's sleepless video being fake - I don't mind tbh I thought it was still cute I even liked the fake arrangement of the pictures on wall , and that it was fake because we are speculating too much about their private lives, and so on), so I don't know if it was already mentioned or not, but I have a question regarding the decision not to confirm them being a couple -

Do you think it could be because if they came out everyone would concentrate even more on them being a couple than separate creators and they don't want it to affect their possible careers outside of youtube? I mean they seem to do almost everything together (tour, radio, book, ...) except that documentary that Dan was part of But I have the feeling that they still want to be viewed as separate creators. And I am not sure how accepting (not completely the right word but can't do better in english atm) the showbusiness world in uk is - I mean if the fandom views and likes them together then any potential media to hire them would also go for them as a pair and even more so if they would confirm that they are together - but they don't want that. Or (this is the accepting part) they would get less offers even as duo if they confirm that they are actually together? I just don't know how the uk showbusiness works and I keep pondering that. But I still feel that the main reason for them to not say they are together might be that they want to be viewed as separate entities.

[thephandommenace]

Surprisingly informative robo-Dan tweet. Informative in the replies, at least. Referencing a project?

This tweet alone had me like

and sent me on a wild brain trip

Headcanon where they reveal the project as a new company/ convention/ website to rival YouTube which they become the heads of and eventually they'll have so many people working for them (including all their snarky colleagues) that they won't have to do anything and they'll be even bigger multi-millionaires and business mogul entrepreneurs and they'll build a media empire that would survive the potential collapse of the world wide web so that they're completely prepared for the apocalypse. People continue to tease them about being together and the mainstream media gets more and more interested until, BONCAs style, they go "yeah what of it" and make all the headlines and have books and movies based on their lives that make even MORE money and boom they make history as a rich powerful entrepreneur gay couple and they will be unstoppable.

Sorry for the slight shitpost, I find the idea of business mogul!Phil very attractive

I have a serious question. How many people are sticking around for the are they/aren't they? I see so much discourse about it being 'the only reason people watch' but... is it? Does it not just turn people off??

I am here for their chemistry and them making me smile but I like them both individually as people too so I think I'd be interested whatever they did. I'm not waiting around for a reveal (though I'd cry with happiness if they did) but I do believe more than I don't that they're together and I think that plays a major factor in me rooting for their happiness.

[LtrllySusan]

Why am I imagining a scene similar to the TABINOF trailer release in the behind-the-scenes video? I am trying not to get hyped but I can't help it. Something is coming and it better not be ISG as a TV show.

[malday]

Headcanon where they reveal the project as a new company/ convention/ website to rival YouTube which they become the heads of and eventually they'll have so many people working for them (including all their snarky colleagues) that they won't have to do anything and they'll be even bigger multi-millionaires and business mogul entrepreneurs and they'll build a media empire that would survive the potential collapse of the world wide web so that they're completely prepared for the apocalypse. People continue to tease them about being together and the mainstream media gets more and more interested until, BONCAs style, they go "yeah what of it" and make all the headlines and have books and movies based on their lives that make even MORE money and boom they make history as a rich powerful entrepreneur gay couple and they will be unstoppable.

Sorry for the slight shitpost, I find the idea of business mogul!Phil very attractive

Rise Phil and take down all the youtube assholes!

[bookfiend]

I have a serious question. How many people are sticking around for the are they/aren't they? I see so much discourse about it being 'the only reason people watch' but... is it? Does it not just turn people off??

I'm not around for the are they/aren't they.
I was actually watching D&P's main channels for about two years before I started thinking they might be a couple. I could see why people shipped them but didn't think much of it at the time.
It wasn't until I stumbled upon people talking about the Vday vid and 2009 deleted stuff that I realised there was more to it. still feel kinda bad about that.

As fun as it is to speculate and theorise, if they announced they are a couple tomorrow I would keep watching them. If they denied everything tomorrow, I would keep watching them. I enjoy what they create and they are so much more than the mystery of their relationship, I just hope they realise that.

[alittledizzy]

Time to revisit Dan and Phil Make Their Own Convention theories?

I have a serious question. How many people are sticking around for the are they/aren't they? I see so much discourse about it being 'the only reason people watch' but... is it? Does it not just turn people off??

I think they are a couple, so there is no are they/aren't they in my mind. Nothing hinges on if they're out or in a glass closet. When I watch them I'm watching two people who have a lovely unique relationship (in terms of the situation they're in) and enjoying their chemistry and what they choose to share of their life together with an audience.

[iihappydaysii]

The only professional news that won't disappoint me a little, as far as I can think of, is a podcast. I just really want a podcast, y'all. I guess we will be finding out what it's all been about soon.

If it's a convention, I will be happy for other people, but I've been to a convention and the paying to meet people thing made me insanely uncomfortable and I can't imagine ever doing something like that again. It's an incredibly lucrative business so if they're actually running one themselves enjoy the money, boys.

[Viofish]

I feel like the thread is moving on, but here are my video thoughts nonetheless

[offtopic]about Phil's video, at 1:05 he said " I should probably put some Pyjama's on, I'm wearing sweatpants-- I said that in my liveshow and people were like, that's not what British people say."

so 1, this was filmed after his live show, and 2, he could have done it right after his live show, same day, and then post the sleepless night tweet 2 days later to get some hype. there's no way he filmed and edited a video in a 24 hr period.[/offtopic]

[argo]

The only professional news that won't disappoint me a little, as far as I can think of, is a podcast. I just really want a podcast, y'all. I guess we will be finding out what it's all been about soon.

Ooh I really like the idea of a podcast! That would be fun.

[obscureDnPreference]

I feel like the thread is moving on, but here are my video thoughts nonetheless

[offtopic]about Phil's video, at 1:05 he said " I should probably put some Pyjama's on, I'm wearing sweatpants-- I said that in my liveshow and people were like, that's not what British people say."

so 1, this was filmed after his live show, and 2, he could have done it right after his live show, same day, and then post the sleepless night tweet 2 days later to get some hype. there's no way he filmed and edited a video in a 24 hr period.[/offtopic]

Especially since his sleep schedule was so screwed up, he probably slept until the early afternoon. And he posted at, what, 9pm? I suppose it's possible to edit something like that in 5 hours but unlikely, I'd say. I think this sleepless vid had more editing than previous, but I could be wrong.

[Whommel]

The only professional news that won't disappoint me a little, as far as I can think of, is a podcast. I just really want a podcast, y'all. I guess we will be finding out what it's all been about soon.

If it's a convention, I will be happy for other people, but I've been to a convention and the paying to meet people thing made me insanely uncomfortable and I can't imagine ever doing something like that again. It's an incredibly lucrative business so if they're actually running one themselves enjoy the money, boys.

I'd love a DnP podcast, especially one that's also taped. Something like that would be what finally made me get something like Fullscreen.

I'd also love a chance to see them live, doing pretty much anything, I'm to new a fan to have seen TATINOF unfortunately.