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Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 1:53 am**

Thank you so much for that fancybum! So many wonderful moments.
2017 Dan truly is the best Dan.

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 1:55 am**

I loved this ls a whole lot! Lots of adorable moments, my favourite of which is the confirmation on doggo + buying soon in the future (let me believeee).

The full ls that doesn't lag at the end and isn't cut off is up on tumblr still (idk if it's forever?), a version of it can (hopefully) be seen here:
[Tumblr]http://dailyphan.tumblr.com/post/160240039996[/Tumblr]

Well I have no real clue how to link to Tumblr, so...here's the link haha

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 2:11 am**

dontpanic wrote:question: So we have a post-baking universe, should there be a name for all this? A post-dan is finally happy and comfortable with himself-universe?

I think this is all the same post baking universe (I mean everything started there!), one where Deppy are happy and comfortable and in love.

(and for tomorrow, in case I'm not online: happy birthday awsugar and happy anniversary autumnhearth )

And thanks for the links guys! I'm going to watch the last bit of the liveshow now.

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 2:48 am**

allsaintshowell wrote:
DatCog wrote:
awsugar wrote:dan pretty much just confirmed that they'll eventually get a dog together i'm

that just made me smile so much i love confirmation that they see themselves together for the foreseeable future
My stream went really laggy around that point but from what I could tell it sounded like he was talking about buying a place and getting a dog...with Phil

Really enjoyed that ls, Dan seemed a little tired but happy
p much, dan was bitching about how pointless renting is if you do it for too long but also how expensive it is to buy a house in london. he confirmed (again) that they'll get a dog at some point when they buy a house and that it might be a corgi because phil really wants one. he also sneakily mentioned brighton, so now i'm just imagining them in a cute seaside house with a corgi running around.

That is such a beautiful mental image, wow

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 3:07 am**

I feel like his rebranding gave him the relief/happiness/freedom that other youtubers coming out videos gave them. Its like he came out w/o labeling it as such but all the explanation about authenticity just gave me that vibe and then to be so matter of fact about adopting a dog with Phil some day. I swear he's even using the adopt "a dog" idea as a seed to them adopting children some day.

Other ls thoughts possibly boring repetition below.

Loved him being passionate about anime.

Loved his rant about why its cool yo be weird.

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 3:42 am**

[offtopic]

autumnhearth wrote: Edit: Thank you awsugar and happy birthday tomorrow! I hope 23 is a good year for you (it was for me, I got married and had our son, our anniversary is tomorrow )

happy anniversary! and thank you. i don't think any of that will be happening for me as i'm perpetually single and definitely not ready for kids but i do hope that this year brings good things. i'm graduating in a couple weeks as well so getting a job would pretty much do it for me.

MaggieW wrote: (and for tomorrow, in case I'm not online: happy birthday awsugar and happy anniversary autumnhearth )

thank you![/offtopic]

Susanisnotafish wrote:I feel like his rebranding gave him the relief/happiness/freedom that other youtubers coming out videos gave them. Its like he came out w/o labeling it as such but all the explanation about authenticity just gave me that vibe and then to be so matter of fact about adopting a dog with Phil some day. I swear he's even using the adopt "a dog" idea as a seed to them adopting children some day.

What the heck did he mean when he said "there's some outside space which is good. Its like walking a dog."??

Kind of disappointed in his answer to "marry Owen Jones" which was "I think he has a bf. I'm not sure." I wanted him to say if I ever do get married it will be to my bf Phil.

i can't remember specifically and i really cannot be bothered to search through the show to find it but didn't he reference coming out in this live show in the being authentic conversation? i know he mentioned it somewhere. either way, i think he's been out, for all intents and purposes. but maybe now the rebrand is paving the way for him to be unabashedly himself and i fully support it.

i believe he said that they have a terrace and i think he was making a joke about how that lets them have the fresh air that walking a dog would give them without having to leave the house...happy to see that aspect of their branding hasn't gone away

and i feel you on the phil bit but i'm not at all disappointed in his answer to that question. a younger dan would have never given such a casual 'he already has a boyfriend' response to something like that so it warms my heart just the same.

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 3:48 am**

Upon sort of skip watching the liveshow again, one thing I've noticed that I found new is that Dan seems to be wearing a necklace. Something's glinting at his neck while he's moving around. I just found it fascinating because I'm not sure when I've ever seen him (or Phil for that matter) wear a necklace before. I'm not 100% sure it exists. Maybe I'm just hallucinating. :wtf: Just curious to see if anyone else saw/noticed this.

It's not a big deal. Just another change (though tbh, I'm dying to know if it's just a fashion accessory he wants to wear, or you know it could be a moving gift from someone *coughs* Phil *coughs* or just a gift in general or not and if it is a permanent thing, what the pendant is). I'm too curious for my own good since I don't have detective skills.

Edited: maybe I was just imagining it or something because I've been staring at another section and there's nothing there.

But for context, I thought I saw glinting at his right (our left) collar when that area gets exposed during the earlier part of the liveshow.

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 3:54 am**

RiriPandaHeart2 wrote:Upon sort of skip watching the liveshow again, one thing I've noticed that I found new is that Dan seems to be wearing a necklace. Something's glinting at his neck while he's moving around. I just found it fascinating because I'm not sure when I've ever seen him (or Phil for that matter) wear a necklace before. I'm not 100% sure it exists. Maybe I'm just hallucinating. :wtf: Just curious to see if anyone else saw/noticed this. It's not a big deal. Just another change (though tbh, I'm dying to know if it's just a fashion accessory he wants to wear, or you know it could be a moving gift from someone *coughs* Phil *coughs* or just a gift in general or not and if it is a permanent thing, what the pendant is). I'm too curious for my own good since I don't have detective skills.

It's obv a ring on a chain

I'm on mobile atm so can't rewatch the ls, but I'll keep an eye out for that when I have access again. I don't recall any glinting, though.

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 4:27 am**

awsugar wrote: i can't remember specifically and i really cannot be bothered to search through the show to find it but didn't he reference coming out in this live show in the being authentic conversation? i know he mentioned it somewhere. either way, i think he's been out, for all intents and purposes. but maybe now the rebrand is paving the way for him to be unabashedly himself and i fully support it.

Yes I noticed that too. It's around the 9:00 mark. Here's fancybum's transcription of that bit:

And it’s that whole thing where you feel like ‘I need to be who I am’ and that could be coming out, it could be dyeing your hair, it could be becoming a hamster breeder and running away to Argentina.

I definitely recommend watching the Tumblr version--it has no lag and the last few minutes of the ls are precious. (I put the Tumblr page under the spoiler. [You have to get the "embed" code from the Tumblr page for it to work properly here.])

I always enjoy Dan's liveshows, but this one was certainly special. He seemed very happy about life and very open about future plans with Phil.

One thing I did want to mention is that I cringe a bit when people talk about them adopting children. Not that I think anyone means anything bad by it, of course. But there are many family-building options available to all sorts of couples (or even individuals), and adopting is just one of them. To me it's a bit presumptive to talk about adopting children with respect to someone else (unless they have announced that that is their intention); it sounds like you're choosing for them how to build their family. "Have children" or "start a family" sound much more neutral to me.

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 4:54 am**

LeftHandedism wrote:
awsugar wrote: i can't remember specifically and i really cannot be bothered to search through the show to find it but didn't he reference coming out in this live show in the being authentic conversation? i know he mentioned it somewhere. either way, i think he's been out, for all intents and purposes. but maybe now the rebrand is paving the way for him to be unabashedly himself and i fully support it.
Yes I noticed that too. It's around the 9:00 mark. Here's fancybum's transcription of that bit:

And it’s that whole thing where you feel like ‘I need to be who I am’ and that could be coming out, it could be dyeing your hair, it could be becoming a hamster breeder and running away to Argentina.
I definitely recommend watching the Tumblr version--it has no lag and the last few minutes of the ls are precious. (I put the Tumblr page under the spoiler. [You have to get the "embed" code from the Tumblr page for it to work properly here.])

[tumblr] <div class="tumblr-post" data-href="https://embed.tumblr.com/embed/post/S0t ... 0240039996" data-did="f7fd45467d7368930754a6ecc9c4759835d72e38">[/tumblr]

One thing I did want to mention is that I cringe a bit when people talk about them adopting children. Not that I think anyone means anything bad by it, of course. But there are many family-building options available to all sorts of couples (or even individuals), and adopting is just one of them. To me it's a bit presumptive to talk about adopting children with respect to someone else (unless they have announced that that is their intention); it sounds like you're choosing for them how to build their family. "Have children" or "start a family" sound much more neutral to me.

Thanks for the link. I couldn't find it on tumblr. Also thanks for expanding my mind about the family building options. I feel like I've been living under a rock until I came to IDB. Good that I'm getting more social interaction and exchange of ideas in my life and at my age. So many of you do deppy proud with your kind interactions and gentle corrections. I also owe my mind expansion to deppy.

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 6:15 am**

this liveshow was so...it felt like a watershed.

i'm aware lives aren't stories and there isn't narrative resolution ever, it's just nice to watch someone you've been aware of for a while make fairly large changes and talk about gradually making more, for their own wellbeing (both of them, not just Dan), even if they don't all work out in the end or don't eventuate. i guess what i'm saying is feeling a sense of self-worth from others helps when it's something you struggle with yourself and you know they have, too.

the non-renting and joint dog purchase comments in the same breathe felt small and quiet but important.

i wanna/hear about a balcony, ditto adventure in goldfish and subsequent sad goldfish killing (lol lbr). Daniel is a sweet name, and I didn't know his family don't call him Dan.

i'll support weird failures on dinof in the future because not all attempts at changing content or even frequency of content work out, i'll also watch whatever they made in February even if it's terrible. and Phil can have his orange and green branding, you do you, Philly. but omg no more luring pigeons. they better watch their noise levels if they film in the night as well if these neighbours are the types to have no qualms approaching them to say things.

ummm what else. it's just a nice period at the moment. not all related to domesticity, i've been enjoying their chilled vibe on the gaming channel videos too. their individual vibe and behaviour. interesting comments here and there from both.

the adoption thing - i do ponder whether people wouldn't jump to it straight away if we hadn't had Dan's comment years ago referring to himself doing so in the future. i guess other options are surrogacy, or fostering, and the first is not legally enforceable in the UK (the birthing mother can choose to keep the child).

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 6:51 am**

Late to the party but wow, rip danny fire. Like pretty much everyone else, I'm not surprised about the rebranding but I am surprised he chose Daniel over Dan. I love change and I don't feel any attachment to his channel name, so Daniel Howell floats my boat as long as he's happy with it. And I'm overjoyed he's finally changing his profiles pictures, banners, tumblr theme, etc. Not gonna lie, his youtube banner and tumblr theme are hideous to put it bluntly. And please, if he could just use a selfie or take advantage of Phil's photography skills for at least twitter and instagram, all those pictures are so much nicer than any photoshoot picture

As for Dan's ls, I'm so glad to have them back on schedule. Maybe I misinterpreted it, but it sounded like he was considering doing one while in Florida (as was Phil?) and I'm guessing it's just because they've missed so many over the past few weeks, but it's almost making me wonder if something is happening this week they'll want to talk about or if they have something going on which will force them to cancel later on in the month. They hardly ever do them when they're not at home, and I don't recall them ever doing one while away for Playlist or Vidcon, so it strikes me as a bit odd but who knows. Just fuelling the May wedding rumours, aren't I?

I loved how happy and relaxed he seemed, I don't think I've ever seen him so content. And the affirmative talk about buying a house and getting a dog with Phil was just... So many good little tangents too, especially the one about authenticity. The whole thing had me feeling warm and fuzzy.

Also, I'm feeling like they're actually not going to hide any part of their house. I wouldn't even be surprised if we got a full-fledged house tour since Dan keeps bringing up being conflicted about whether to do one or not He seems too proud of the rooms he decorated not to show them off and the vast majority of us are at least a bit curious, plus he talked about doing some casual vlogs on danisnotinteresting (not that we haven't heard that one before), so I'm predicting a side channel house tour in a month or two when everything is unpacked, rearranged and settled

[offtopic]condescending tone:

dontpanic wrote:
For the past few months i keep coming back to the way Dan speaks in liveshows; whether he's condescending or not or something else. Now that I've started to really watch his liveshows I've noticed three things that stand out, especially when talking about more complicated topics.

(1.) he speaks slowly (2.) he repeats himself (3.) keeps a relatively even, steady voice--even those times in 2016 when he was a moody li'l shit

these are all ingredients used to make condescension; however, I don't think he's cooking that condescending soup, at least not purposefully. I rarely watched his old old liveshows in real time (heck, I rarely do now), but it seems like he's changed his tone within the past two years or so. Dan thinks things through (to a fault), and I have a feeling this change in tone was a deliberate move. And if it was by accident, I don't care I still like it.

A strong reason is he's probably trying to keep his shows accessible to his entire viewership, which is something I admire. During the joint winter 2016 liveshow I realized he has (imo) a non-linear, maybe even desultory, way of thinking. Taking that into account and the fact he's a pretty learned person, he's done as best he can imo of making both the language he uses and the topics he addresses understandable to most people. He tries to simplify his vocabulary, and he backtracks and explains the denser topics.

As commonly cited, a lot of his fans are young and yet to develop a wider worldview and a diverse understanding in both vocabulary and wider topics. From the feelings expressed here, I've gathered many of us, me included, would like him to talk about deeper subjects & stop over-explaining/over-simplifyng most of his opinions. An argument that pops up a lot is along the lines of 'he has older fans as well who don't need things explained to them,' or that he 'caters a lot to the younger fans.' But the thing is, he also probably makes liveshows accessible to a number of his adult viewers who haven't had the privilege of advanced education or education past age 16, or those who have learning disabilities. I don't mind if he comes across a bit condescending if it makes his content accessible to most of his fans. I think he's found a good balance, anyway, of keeping his liveshows both complex yet not hidden by the metaphorical gatekeeper.

Additionally, Dan faces a unique, tricky obstetrical compared to his peers. other 'big' youtubers (imo, I could be very wrong) tend to ramble or stick to lighthearted topics in liveshows; in contrast, Dan seems to talk about real things, his real feelings and thoughts on complicated topics he doesn't have the answer too or hasn't formed an opinion about (we could say chris does the same thing, but he approaches liveshows very differently). Dan's youtube views alone range between 298,000 to 699,000 (rounded to nearest thousand), and most of those wouldn't be rewatches because the vids are 1hr+. Add that to the fact that Dan talks about things of consequence, every word he says can easily be misunderstand (as we've seen countless times, ex: the 'cheeky' vid ).

Danny boi abandons some topics right when they start getting real interesting or close to controversial, but for the most part he doesn't censor himself too much. the closest we'll ever get to the real Dan, for better or for worse, is in his liveshows. His main channel vids are heavily scripted and thought out, he relies on Phil and has no reason to talk about personal things in the DAPG vids. I don't know why Dan decided to have his liveshows be the way they are, instead of being like Phil's where it's lovely and silly and personal while carefully revealing nothing people can talk about analyze or hold him to later. But for some reason Dan decides to be a risky li'l fuk, so it's smart of him to be careful and clear at the risk of sounding condescending.

I 100% agree with this

I can see where people are coming from when they say he often sounds condescending, but I highly doubt those are his intentions. Surely he knows that within the crowd of a couple hundred thousand people who watch his live shows, there are going to be people who vary in age, level of education, life experience, etc. and assumptions that are made based the 20 or so people who fight to be in the top 10 fans each week certainly aren't representative of the entire audience. Sure, it could be Dan falling for the mentality "the audience is mainly teenage girls and most teenage girls are stupid with bland interests" but it definitely seems like a conscious decision to me.

As mentioned in the post from dontpanic I quoted, it makes all topics accessible to the entire audience, which seems like a normal thing for any considerate person to do. I also imagine it's much easier stating your simplified opinion than going into elaborate detail in the spur of the moment during a live broadcast to thousands of people. Lastly, I find it quite relaxing listening to someone talk softly about important issues and things they're passionate about, so his spiels are nothing but pleasant to me and I can't imagine being completely alone on this.

It appears to be universally agreed that Dan's an over-thinker and hyperaware of his audience, so speaking in such a tone for these reasons seems more consistent than him brushing off his viewers as being stupid and calling it a day. I'd say it's just his mood that sometimes rubs people the wrong way and makes it feel like he's being condescending

older fans:

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Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 6:55 am**

cherrybomb3 wrote:
autumnhearth wrote: Oh and I did go and read all the bomb's posts and was very amused reading the posts in Dan's voice. It was a fun little exercise. Regardless, you're pretty cool.

oh dear please dont do that just let me blend into the crowd of posters and conduct my v complex research into fandoms in peace

oh and ty debatable but ty

Complex research into fandoms? That's a rabbit hole without a ladder! :wtf: You are brave to do such a thing...

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 7:28 am**

mermaid blood wrote: the adoption thing - i do ponder whether people wouldn't jump to it straight away if we hadn't had Dan's comment years ago referring to himself doing so in the future. i guess other options are surrogacy, or fostering, and the first is not legally enforceable in the UK (the birthing mother can choose to keep the child).

the way he said it, i think people misinterpreted it a bit: he mentioned that he wants to have children in the future and then jokingly addressed the phandom, asking if anyone (from the phandom) wants to be adopted by him. the way he phrased it sounded ambiguous and could be interpreted as him asking the phandom whether they want him to adopt children ("who wants me to adopt them?") but i find it more likely that he was addressing the audience. which still could be an indication that adoption is on his mind, but lbr at the time "future children" was more of a general idea.
as years go by people change minds too ("let's never be parents" n all that).

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 7:55 am**

jesuisunèléve wrote:
cherrybomb3 wrote:
autumnhearth wrote: Oh and I did go and read all the bomb's posts and was very amused reading the posts in Dan's voice. It was a fun little exercise. Regardless, you're pretty cool.

oh dear please dont do that just let me blend into the crowd of posters and conduct my v complex research into fandoms in peace

oh and ty debatable but ty
Complex research into fandoms? That's a rabbit hole without a ladder! :wtf: You are brave to do such a thing...

dw its at least partially metaphorical

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 8:25 am**

Daniel being so sweet and genuine at us makes me happy for him but removes the whole reason for me stanning lmao.

The whole moving thing never affected my opinion of their relationship but I can concede this liveshow. It does contradict certain information observed in January but posteriori derogat priori and all that (remember, Daniel?)

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 8:41 am**

gnostic wrote:It does contradict certain information observed in January

what did i miss in january :wtf:

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 8:49 am**

gnostic wrote: posteriori derogat priori and all that (remember, Daniel?)

omg terrifying law knowledge

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 9:08 am**

bomb can't be Dan, he's posting before 10am

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 9:13 am**

DatCog wrote::somuch: bomb can't be Dan, he's posting before 10am

#stopthecyberbullying2k17

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 9:14 am**

Sorry

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 9:17 am**

No one is really talking about it but because im a politics nerd I'm gonna anyway.

Dan mentioning Owen Jones is interesting. If you don't know him, Owen is a babyfaced (looks 25 is 32ish) gay political commentator. He really hates the conservatives (the party in power at the moment) and is pro Labour. He likes Corbyn but thinks that he should step down bc his poll is v bad atm.

This can kinda give us an indication of how he will vote in the general election. I personally think he voted labour last time and I think he would vote the same way, unless they live somewhere where is would be best to tactically vote lib dem.

I've based this on the fact that he follows Owen, sadiq khan (the labour mayor of London)Ed miliband and corbyn and no lib dems

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 9:26 am**

I'm interested in Dan's political persuasion as I think it's basically the same as my own! Lifetime Labour voter (& member for a short time) but became disillusioned with them since JC became leader and their lack of opposition to Brexit. I like Owen Jones and generally agree with his opinion on things. Dan was in a Labour seat and I expect it will remain so...unfortunately I'm in a very safe tory seat and however I vote won't make any difference

. I'll probably vote LibDem as they are anti-brexit, which is something I feel very strongly about.

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 9:47 am**

Very late to all the topics I want to comment on but hey
I can't understand how anyone would opt for a dog from a breeder when there are so many waiting in shelters. Don't they still kill them after some time (I'm not from the UK)? Plus you can blame any undesired behaviour on their past life. Very convenient...
I am also in my thirties and I am drinking from a custom made Thundercats mug - I might as well watch two younger guys playing video games; I guess I've reached the age where you couldn't care less about what teenagers think of you (being a teacher helped as well).
I am also amazed about how annoyed I get reading discussions here, thinking people are being too easily offended (by what I consider harmless remarks or prints on shirts) when irl it is usually me ranting about that kind of stuff. I learn as I lurk.

Posted: **Wed May 03, 2017 10:23 am**

myllakka wrote:
RiriPandaHeart2 wrote:Upon sort of skip watching the liveshow again, one thing I've noticed that I found new is that Dan seems to be wearing a necklace. Something's glinting at his neck while he's moving around. I just found it fascinating because I'm not sure when I've ever seen him (or Phil for that matter) wear a necklace before. I'm not 100% sure it exists. Maybe I'm just hallucinating. :wtf: Just curious to see if anyone else saw/noticed this. It's not a big deal. Just another change (though tbh, I'm dying to know if it's just a fashion accessory he wants to wear, or you know it could be a moving gift from someone *coughs* Phil *coughs* or just a gift in general or not and if it is a permanent thing, what the pendant is). I'm too curious for my own good since I don't have detective skills.
It's obv a ring on a chain

I'm on mobile atm so can't rewatch the ls, but I'll keep an eye out for that when I have access again. I don't recall any glinting, though.

I'm gonna write a full lengthy review/summary of the ls later but for now, let's celebrate the return of #necklacegate that tbh never launch

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