Dan & Phil Part 47: Do it with Dan!

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-story checks out. It… literally is his room as he’s renting the flat and decided to pick that room to park a bunch of his shit in. It also… literally has a bed in it, as evidenced.. by the bed in it. It’s his room. It has a bed in it. It kind of sounds like it literally is his bedroom? Weird, right? I don’t know why, but it’s occurred to me out of absolutely nowhere that at every possible opportunity I should roll my eyes and laugh derisively at any mention they make of them being friends. Even though they are friends. Whatever other context exists outside of our purview, they’re definitely friends. Kind of like whatever other context exists outside of our purview, that room is his bedroom? So wild, I know. But maybe scoffing louder than the next person about it will get me something. Just to be sure and clear that I’m someone who won’t be fooled, no sir, nothing gets past me. I laugh in the face of other people setting their own narratives for specific parts of their lives that are held up for public consumption, I laugh at it I tell you. Because I know better. Man, I wonder what the prize is for successfully punching a hole through the tiniest little sheath of personal comfort another person has draped delicately over themselves. Sure hope it’s a good one lmao

Okay, controversial opinion maybe. Phil knows his fans, I'm sure he anticipated something like this would happen. The Phandom has been doing this for years with much more invasive things like voldy and yet we freely talk about that here. I doubt people thinking his bedroom is unusually small is gonna keep him up at night. And I don't see how it's an invasion of privacy. We're just judging based on what we have been shown. I don't see how thinking what he claims is his bedroom isn't bedroom is an invasion. In that case, most discussion of Phan is an invasion. It's mostly based on old deleted tweets, formspring answers from a long time ago, old Dailybooths they must regret, voldy of course, etc. All those things are way more invasive than an opinion.

Basically, the Phandom, even on here, does a ton of invasive things and just thinking that the bedroom is too small for him to sleep in is tame by a long shot and Dan and/or Phil most likely don't really care.

We're not, though. The point is that they aren't going to show us the entire place, that they have said they don't plan on showing us the areas that they have decided are mostly for them, and that they're not being the least bit ambiguous about what they're deciding not to show us.

To me, being curious is fine, discussing it amongst ourselves is fine. They are the puzzle and we're desperately trying to make pieces fit. But that's our issue, not theirs. It's the expectation of them to 'come clean' or the attitude that they're maliciously lying if they don't that bothers me. We're allowed to want to know - but that doesn't mean they have to tell us, or that they're somehow wronging us by not.

Is anyone saying that though? Because the people I saw joking (admittedly including myself) never said anything like that. We just thought his bedroom size was a bit ridiculous. I mean, if anyone was saying that then yeah, call them out. It's just that I don't remember seeing anyone say anything like that.

I mean what's the joke though? The 'lie', right? Can they win? And by taking what route? If Phil had just done what everyone seems to think was the better option: get a new set that is not a/his bedroom, what would be different? They wouldn't be scoffing at his tiny 'beardroom', unwilling to buy what he's selling, they'd be scoffing at him claiming to have a separate room from Dan that we would never see. More lies. Probably. Like how unbelievable that he would have a separate bedroom, 'why won't he show it to us, then'? So to keep that nagging as minimal as possible, he just stuck with the same set, because if it ain't broke, don't fix it. He has a bedroom, Dan has a bedroom, kind of sounds like the last 7 years to me. Like if he did just say in a video 'oh and I don't really sleep in here anyway, it's just my familiar set for videos that makes me happy and comfortable', would anybody be satisfied? What would be enough? What are the options? What will it ever take. (I don't actually want the answer to that). It's slightly moreso the attitude of 'who are they kidding, we know everything' that rubs me the wrong way, like as much as I'm sure (most..) people are just joking, it comes off slightly malicious.

Actually I'm going to plagiarise myself from another conversation:

To me it comes off like some uncomfortable compulsion to make sure they get taken down a peg at every turn because just who exactly are they kidding with wanting to keep a consistent channel set and overall public backdrop (physical and not) for viewers and themselves. It’s a comfort thing for Phil. Looking for any hole to punch through his comfort zone (a bed with blue and green sheets to sit on while filming) is needlessly [icky] to me.

And if that doesn't make any sense, I can't explain it any better than that.

Yeah, that does make sense. Just to sum it up, I didn't intend anything malicious, but I can definitely see how it would come across that way. You definitely have a point and I'll think more about that in the future.

[Susanisnotafish]

Enjoying the respectful exchange here guys. Thanks for making this a civil and safe place for differing viewpoints and for growing.

[malday]

-story checks out. It… literally is his room as he’s renting the flat and decided to pick that room to park a bunch of his shit in. It also… literally has a bed in it, as evidenced.. by the bed in it. It’s his room. It has a bed in it. It kind of sounds like it literally is his bedroom? Weird, right? I don’t know why, but it’s occurred to me out of absolutely nowhere that at every possible opportunity I should roll my eyes and laugh derisively at any mention they make of them being friends. Even though they are friends. Whatever other context exists outside of our purview, they’re definitely friends. Kind of like whatever other context exists outside of our purview, that room is his bedroom? So wild, I know. But maybe scoffing louder than the next person about it will get me something. Just to be sure and clear that I’m someone who won’t be fooled, no sir, nothing gets past me. I laugh in the face of other people setting their own narratives for specific parts of their lives that are held up for public consumption, I laugh at it I tell you. Because I know better. Man, I wonder what the prize is for successfully punching a hole through the tiniest little sheath of personal comfort another person has draped delicately over themselves. Sure hope it’s a good one lmao

Okay, controversial opinion maybe. Phil knows his fans, I'm sure he anticipated something like this would happen. The Phandom has been doing this for years with much more invasive things like voldy and yet we freely talk about that here. I doubt people thinking his bedroom is unusually small is gonna keep him up at night. And I don't see how it's an invasion of privacy. We're just judging based on what we have been shown. I don't see how thinking what he claims is his bedroom isn't bedroom is an invasion. In that case, most discussion of Phan is an invasion. It's mostly based on old deleted tweets, formspring answers from a long time ago, old Dailybooths they must regret, voldy of course, etc. All those things are way more invasive than an opinion.

Basically, the Phandom, even on here, does a ton of invasive things and just thinking that the bedroom is too small for him to sleep in is tame by a long shot and Dan and/or Phil most likely don't really care.

We're not, though. The point is that they aren't going to show us the entire place, that they have said they don't plan on showing us the areas that they have decided are mostly for them, and that they're not being the least bit ambiguous about what they're deciding not to show us.

To me, being curious is fine, discussing it amongst ourselves is fine. They are the puzzle and we're desperately trying to make pieces fit. But that's our issue, not theirs. It's the expectation of them to 'come clean' or the attitude that they're maliciously lying if they don't that bothers me. We're allowed to want to know - but that doesn't mean they have to tell us, or that they're somehow wronging us by not.

Is anyone saying that though? Because the people I saw joking (admittedly including myself) never said anything like that. We just thought his bedroom size was a bit ridiculous. I mean, if anyone was saying that then yeah, call them out. It's just that I don't remember seeing anyone say anything like that.

I mean what's the joke though? The 'lie', right? Can they win? And by taking what route? If Phil had just done what everyone seems to think was the better option: get a new set that is not a/his bedroom, what would be different? They wouldn't be scoffing at his tiny 'beardroom', unwilling to buy what he's selling, they'd be scoffing at him claiming to have a separate room from Dan that we would never see. More lies. Probably. Like how unbelievable that he would have a separate bedroom, 'why won't he show it to us, then'? So to keep that nagging as minimal as possible, he just stuck with the same set, because if it ain't broke, don't fix it. He has a bedroom, Dan has a bedroom, kind of sounds like the last 7 years to me. Like if he did just say in a video 'oh and I don't really sleep in here anyway, it's just my familiar set for videos that makes me happy and comfortable', would anybody be satisfied? What would be enough? What are the options? What will it ever take. (I don't actually want the answer to that). It's slightly moreso the attitude of 'who are they kidding, we know everything' that rubs me the wrong way, like as much as I'm sure (most..) people are just joking, it comes off slightly malicious.

Actually I'm going to plagiarise myself from another conversation:

To me it comes off like some uncomfortable compulsion to make sure they get taken down a peg at every turn because just who exactly are they kidding with wanting to keep a consistent channel set and overall public backdrop (physical and not) for viewers and themselves. It’s a comfort thing for Phil. Looking for any hole to punch through his comfort zone (a bed with blue and green sheets to sit on while filming) is needlessly [icky] to me.

And if that doesn't make any sense, I can't explain it any better than that.

I'm sorry to butt in, but i don't understand what point you are trying to make?
Do you mean people should stop being sarcastic and just trust what Phil says, or stop trying to prove he is lying by looking into things like reflections etc. or just not express it out loud when they think he is not telling the truth?

If so, then maybe this forum shouldn't exist. Because i think the premise (correct me if i'm wrong) of this place and that other place was fans thinking dan and phil were lying about things, and doing "detective" work to prove them wrong. Hence all the #gates that came out of this place. And hence a general mistrust in the things d&p say.

Or is the room arrangement where the line is drawn. Because (i'm not judging you for it, or think there's anything wrong with it), for example, what's the point of your tally of how many times George's name comes up in Dan's liveshow? was it to prove it's a made up name? isn't that you "scoffing" at him (again, i don't think that's what you were doing, it's just for the sake of the argument)?

[fancybum]

I'm sorry to butt in, but i don't understand what point you are trying to make?
Do you mean people should stop being sarcastic and just trust what Phil says, or stop trying to prove he is lying by looking into things like reflections etc. or just not express it out loud when they think he is not telling the truth?

If so, then maybe this forum shouldn't exist. Because i think the premise (correct me if i'm wrong) of this place and that other place was fans thinking dan and phil were lying about things, and doing "detective" work to prove them wrong. Hence all the #gates that came out of this place. And hence a general mistrust in the things d&p say.

Or is the room arrangement where the line is drawn. Because (i'm not judging you for it, or think there's anything wrong with it), for example, what's the point of your tally of how many times George's name comes up in Dan's liveshow? was it to prove it's a made up name? isn't that you "scoffing" at him (again, i don't think that's what you were doing, it's just for the sake of the argument)?

The point of this forum is to talk about Dan and Phil; I'm not in charge here and have no control over how anybody chooses to go about doing that. But I'm free to disagree as much as anybody else is with whatever I want.
Re: the George thing, see my response from a few threads ago:

coffeepenguin: all good questions and maybe others will have something more substantial to add, but just for myself (and my notes): I'm just teasing (although George is for sure a fake name he's invented, and that's ok) because it's so funny to me how he repeats the guy names. "Yes Andrew, thank you Andrew" when he doesn't for others, in order to emphasize them. And hey, we know even from this little sandbox of the internet that he's definitely got guys watching too, it's not improbable at all. Just as a disclaimer, I'm not even annoyed anymore about him doing that, whatever makes him more comfortable, so my notes are just me having fun with it, they're not a criticism.

I think he uses those names either in place of actual names or just for invented questions altogether and does so to better represent his viewers (because for sure there's guys watching, but they probably have non gender specific usernames like everyone else in the chat and they're in the minority to begin with, so this is Dan's way of acknowledging them but also bringing attention to them to prove he has male viewers which is where the eye rolling can come in, that he feels that necessary to do, but then again maybe it is necessary, who am I to say).

I guess I'm drawing a distinction between having fun with 'lies' that pertain to their actual work and engagement with viewers and the so-called 'lies' that pertain to things that have no bearing on anything to do with us. What does Phil's realistic sleeping arrangements have to do with absolutely anything that we could possibly engage with? What does it matter if he's only ever taken one 20 min. nap in that room or sleeps in there 8 hours every night? The needling over a completely private part of their existence that they don't have any recourse to respond to in any other way than they've already done (by presenting it matter-of-factly as his bedroom, which by simple definition.. it is), is a little fucked? Like what is there really left to prove in this area? Yeah, it's a small bedroom, we get it. So what. I was a lunatic about busgate too, don't worry. And where did everybody's detective work get them with that? With Japan? They share a bed, they don't share a bed, what does any of that "prove" about them that everything else about them already doesn't? It's never enough until they livestream a sextape or go back to being adequately repressed enough to not give anybody any funny ideas about them (even though that never really worked) because being comfortable only means they owe more and more. I'm getting redundant af, so there you go. If you don't see any difference, then whatever. Nothing to be done.

(actually maybe to contextualize my 'problem' a little better: yeah they're not going to confirm anything between them, but imo they've stopped trying to do anything to clamp down on the possibility of people thinking they're together, while keeping up their branding. like, they've always presented as friends and will continue to do so, but no longer at the expense of their own self-acceptance and their ease with and respect for each other. which is just a long-winded way of saying: they're hiding less, so why are people digging more? it's gross imo )

[lefthandedism]

-story checks out. It… literally is his room as he’s renting the flat and decided to pick that room to park a bunch of his shit in. It also… literally has a bed in it, as evidenced.. by the bed in it. It’s his room. It has a bed in it. It kind of sounds like it literally is his bedroom? Weird, right? I don’t know why, but it’s occurred to me out of absolutely nowhere that at every possible opportunity I should roll my eyes and laugh derisively at any mention they make of them being friends. Even though they are friends. Whatever other context exists outside of our purview, they’re definitely friends. Kind of like whatever other context exists outside of our purview, that room is his bedroom? So wild, I know. But maybe scoffing louder than the next person about it will get me something. Just to be sure and clear that I’m someone who won’t be fooled, no sir, nothing gets past me. I laugh in the face of other people setting their own narratives for specific parts of their lives that are held up for public consumption, I laugh at it I tell you. Because I know better. Man, I wonder what the prize is for successfully punching a hole through the tiniest little sheath of personal comfort another person has draped delicately over themselves. Sure hope it’s a good one lmao

Okay, controversial opinion maybe. Phil knows his fans, I'm sure he anticipated something like this would happen. The Phandom has been doing this for years with much more invasive things like voldy and yet we freely talk about that here. I doubt people thinking his bedroom is unusually small is gonna keep him up at night. And I don't see how it's an invasion of privacy. We're just judging based on what we have been shown. I don't see how thinking what he claims is his bedroom isn't bedroom is an invasion. In that case, most discussion of Phan is an invasion. It's mostly based on old deleted tweets, formspring answers from a long time ago, old Dailybooths they must regret, voldy of course, etc. All those things are way more invasive than an opinion.

Basically, the Phandom, even on here, does a ton of invasive things and just thinking that the bedroom is too small for him to sleep in is tame by a long shot and Dan and/or Phil most likely don't really care.

We're not, though. The point is that they aren't going to show us the entire place, that they have said they don't plan on showing us the areas that they have decided are mostly for them, and that they're not being the least bit ambiguous about what they're deciding not to show us.

To me, being curious is fine, discussing it amongst ourselves is fine. They are the puzzle and we're desperately trying to make pieces fit. But that's our issue, not theirs. It's the expectation of them to 'come clean' or the attitude that they're maliciously lying if they don't that bothers me. We're allowed to want to know - but that doesn't mean they have to tell us, or that they're somehow wronging us by not.

Is anyone saying that though? Because the people I saw joking (admittedly including myself) never said anything like that. We just thought his bedroom size was a bit ridiculous. I mean, if anyone was saying that then yeah, call them out. It's just that I don't remember seeing anyone say anything like that.

Widely speaking across phandom, yes, definitely, people react very strongly to feeling like Dan and Phil are not being fully and completely honest. There's a reason people keep spamming them for bedroom tours and asking Phil about his bedroom, and why people treat it like a personal victory when Dan or Phil are caught out lying about something.

No one on here was saying that though and I feel like complaining about it is just preaching to the choir.

I just took as trying to call me and others out on something we haven't done.

I seem to remember that when they announced their move a lot of people on here were talking about how they must give us a tour, of course we deserve a tour, we want a tour, etc. I remember saying that I hoped they would not give us a tour and feeling distinctly in the minority.

[offtopic]Apparently a "hung parliament is confirmed" in the UK election. I guess that's good? Better than a conservative victory, but a wild ride ahead?

Anyway, congrats to all of you who went out to vote and made a difference! [/offtopic]

[malday]

I'm sorry to butt in, but i don't understand what point you are trying to make?
Do you mean people should stop being sarcastic and just trust what Phil says, or stop trying to prove he is lying by looking into things like reflections etc. or just not express it out loud when they think he is not telling the truth?

If so, then maybe this forum shouldn't exist. Because i think the premise (correct me if i'm wrong) of this place and that other place was fans thinking dan and phil were lying about things, and doing "detective" work to prove them wrong. Hence all the #gates that came out of this place. And hence a general mistrust in the things d&p say.

Or is the room arrangement where the line is drawn. Because (i'm not judging you for it, or think there's anything wrong with it), for example, what's the point of your tally of how many times George's name comes up in Dan's liveshow? was it to prove it's a made up name? isn't that you "scoffing" at him (again, i don't think that's what you were doing, it's just for the sake of the argument)?

The point of this forum is to talk about Dan and Phil; I'm not in charge here and have no control over how anybody chooses to go about doing that. But I'm free to disagree as much as anybody else is with whatever I want.
Re: the George thing, see my response from a few threads ago:

coffeepenguin: all good questions and maybe others will have something more substantial to add, but just for myself (and my notes): I'm just teasing (although George is for sure a fake name he's invented, and that's ok) because it's so funny to me how he repeats the guy names. "Yes Andrew, thank you Andrew" when he doesn't for others, in order to emphasize them. And hey, we know even from this little sandbox of the internet that he's definitely got guys watching too, it's not improbable at all. Just as a disclaimer, I'm not even annoyed anymore about him doing that, whatever makes him more comfortable, so my notes are just me having fun with it, they're not a criticism.

I think he uses those names either in place of actual names or just for invented questions altogether and does so to better represent his viewers (because for sure there's guys watching, but they probably have non gender specific usernames like everyone else in the chat and they're in the minority to begin with, so this is Dan's way of acknowledging them but also bringing attention to them to prove he has male viewers which is where the eye rolling can come in, that he feels that necessary to do, but then again maybe it is necessary, who am I to say).

I guess I'm drawing a distinction between having fun with 'lies' that pertain to their actual work and engagement with viewers and the so-called 'lies' that pertain to things that have no bearing on anything to do with us. What does Phil's realistic sleeping arrangements have to do with absolutely anything that we could possibly engage with? What does it matter if he's only ever taken one 20 min. nap in that room or sleeps in there 8 hours every night? The needling over a completely private part of their existence that they don't have any recourse to respond to in any other way than they've already done (by presenting it matter-of-factly as his bedroom, which by simple definition.. it is), is a little fucked? Like what is there really left to prove in this area? Yeah, it's a small bedroom, we get it. So what. I was a lunatic about busgate too, don't worry. And where did everybody's detective work get them with that? With Japan? They share a bed, they don't share a bed, what does any of that "prove" about them that everything else about them already doesn't? It's never enough until they livestream a sextape or go back to being adequately repressed enough to not give anybody any funny ideas about them (even though that never really worked) because being comfortable only means they owe more and more. I'm getting redundant af, so there you go. If you don't see any difference, then whatever. Nothing to be done.

(actually maybe to contextualize my 'problem' a little better: yeah they're not going to confirm anything between them, but imo they've stopped trying to do anything to clamp down on the possibility of people thinking they're together, while keeping up their branding. like, they've always presented as friends and will continue to do so, but no longer at the expense of their own self-acceptance and their ease with and respect for each other. which is just a long-winded way of saying: they're hiding less, so why are people digging more? it's gross imo )

Ok, i gotcha.

But i just want to point out that them being more open and hiding less is an extremely subjective thing, and people were under the same impression almost every year.
You think they were repressed and now they are "more open", but to someone else they act the same way as they always have.
Maybe some people think that what they said about the bedroom IS them clamping down on the possibility of people thinking they are together more than just queerplatonically(or whatever else), so that's why they still "dig".

Most casual viewers don't share the same opinion on the nature of their relationship as the "hardcore" fans do, but if they're curious they start "digging" and end up here or on gg, and their opinion changes. (or is that considered not digging but "doing one's homework"?)

Why do people dig to find out who the friends who they play board games with are? Or whose shirt and glasses Dan wore in the Bahamas video (that's even more invasive than the room thing imo)? Probably for the same reason as with the bedroom: to come to a conclusion they have not yet reached about phan (or the current state of it), because, if you want to get technical, there are as many explanations as individual perceptions and life experiences, and whether dan and phil or anyone else like it or not, phan is a part of their "appeal", it's what the phandom was built on, it's what all the (dirty) jokes are about, it's what some people re-watch their videos for.

As long as new fans become curious about it, they will keep digging until they maybe reach the same conclusion you have reached and then stop caring.

And whatever conclusion anyone here reaches it will always be nothing more than speculation and headcanons and not a realistic arrangement.

I'm not trying to justify it, or tell you how to feel about it, just offering an explanation (which you probably already know, anyway).

Peace!

[snokoplasmic]

I missed the liveshow but got online before he had uploaded it to LessAP, and since I don't really care about ls spoilers I went ahead and read what people were saying on here before I watched it. And I'll admit that I was... confused, when I finally did watch it. Maybe I just misunderstood what people were saying, but I got the impression that he had been flustered or otherwise struggling to explain away the "issue" of his bedroom size. But then when I watched that part of the liveshow, by the end of his explanation I was just left with the thought, "Yeah, that makes sense."

I mean, there's certainly plenty that can be speculated about as well, but regarding just his liveshow explanation, I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary or secretive.

honestly, same. i watched it live and when he explained that i was like "well i suppose that actually makes sense, if he doesn't spend much time in there anyway"(which i find totally believable, why would he spend most time in his bedroom when they have two lounges, a gaming room, a balcony, etc) and i was surprised when i got on here and tumblr and saw people going like "lol phil is such a bad liar you can obviously see that he was flustered and was lying". was he even flustered? i really don't think so

[jaej]

[offtopic]Apparently a "hung parliament is confirmed" in the UK election. I guess that's good? Better than a conservative victory, but a wild ride ahead?

Anyway, congrats to all of you who went out to vote and made a difference! [/offtopic]

[offtopic]not at all, because the party they're forming a coalition with, the DUP, are
- anti gay marriage/adoption
- in strong support of a complete ban on abortion
- pro nuclear weapons
- pro brexit

and since this is 1780 and we have to ask the queen to form a government and she is an imperial lizard piece of shit maintaining a legacy of murder and oppression to profit from, pretty sure she'll be cool with it. and given that theresa may holds her own dubious views of human rights and wants to change the law on that, good luck to everyone in the uk lmao, hwg[/offtopic]

[captainspacecoat]

That was such an enjoyable liveshow! I finally watched it after being at work all day and wow, he was so bubbly but in a kind of more .. mature way? I feel like that's not the right word, but he came across very natural, as though he was chatting to a friend and not trying too hard to appeal to a certain demographic in particular - just doing his thing and being himself, and he was super charismatic. Fave Phil liveshow in a while!

I like to think he was wearing red in a subtle support for Labour as well, although that may be reaching. Everyone's already said my favourite bits so I won't bother repeating, but I loved it overall.

re: Phil's bedroom - I don't have a problem with people speculating over it as I think that's par for the course on a forum such as this. I do, however, have a problem with people feeling betrayed or lied to. I don't understand what people want him to say - he's either a) pretending to sleep in that room so as to avoid having to explicitly confirm phan, which they're clearly not ready to do or b) genuinely sleeping in that room. Personally, I think it's likely that they both share the master bedroom, but I would never expect them to admit that as that would mean definitively coming out, and I respect that that's not something they want to do. They're entitled to privacy and boundaries, so we have no right to feel offended when they choose not to share something with us. They're not maliciously lying to us, they're protecting something that's important to them and maintaining privacy, as is their right.

re: politics - !!!!!!!!!! I'm so proud of all you Brits (people from the UK? I embarrassingly don't know the difference between Britain and the UK lmao) who got out there and voted against the Tories, especially all of the young people - what a turnout! I definitely wasn't expecting this to be the result, it restored a bit of my faith in humanity shit news about the DUP though, if that goes through I hope you all get out there and protest your asses off!!

re: Dan's political engagement - I'd be so down for him to be explicitly political on youtube!! I don't expect him to ever, but oh my god that would be my actual dream. I'm very into politics, and I'm fairly certain he and I are on the same wavelength politically, so I would definitely not complain if he ever wanted to take that route.

[onetruetrash]

[offtopic]Anyone else listening to Taylor Swift? I can't believe she's back on Spotify! I'm having a total fangirl moment lol[/offtopic]

[droopy]

re: Phil's bedroom - I don't have a problem with people speculating over it as I think that's par for the course on a forum such as this. I do, however, have a problem with people feeling betrayed or lied to. I don't understand what people want him to say - he's either a) pretending to sleep in that room so as to avoid having to explicitly confirm phan, which they're clearly not ready to do or b) genuinely sleeping in that room. Personally, I think it's likely that they both share the master bedroom, but I would never expect them to admit that as that would mean definitively coming out, and I respect that that's not something they want to do. They're entitled to privacy and boundaries, so we have no right to feel offended when they choose not to share something with us. They're not maliciously lying to us, they're protecting something that's important to them and maintaining privacy, as is their right.

Definitely, 100% this. I'm pretty lax when it comes to what fan behaviors/opinions/etc. bother me personally (in any fandom), but one thing that does grind my gears is fans who act as though their entertainer of choice owes them something, especially regarding their behavior and personal life. No one is entitled to the private lives of Dan and Phil except Dan and Phil (respectively). I think, sometimes, fans (especially younger ones) will feel that, since the entertainer they're a fan of had an important impact on their life, that they therefore deserve to have some form of impact/control over the entertainer's life. Parasocial relationships, blah blah, etc etc.

Or they just get too invested - which is something I try to never do. It's definitely gotten easier as I got older, hahaha (poor, over-invested high school me with her kpop boys...) My general attitude as I got older was one where, if an entertainer does something I like/was hoping for/whatever, it makes me happy. But, if they don't do the thing, I don't get upset. I'm either in a positive or neutral mood because of what they do, but I don't really set expectations, so there's nothing to be lost. If that makes any sense at all.

[alittledizzy]

re: Phil's bedroom - I don't have a problem with people speculating over it as I think that's par for the course on a forum such as this. I do, however, have a problem with people feeling betrayed or lied to. I don't understand what people want him to say - he's either a) pretending to sleep in that room so as to avoid having to explicitly confirm phan, which they're clearly not ready to do or b) genuinely sleeping in that room. Personally, I think it's likely that they both share the master bedroom, but I would never expect them to admit that as that would mean definitively coming out, and I respect that that's not something they want to do. They're entitled to privacy and boundaries, so we have no right to feel offended when they choose not to share something with us. They're not maliciously lying to us, they're protecting something that's important to them and maintaining privacy, as is their right.

Definitely, 100% this. I'm pretty lax when it comes to what fan behaviors/opinions/etc. bother me personally (in any fandom), but one thing that does grind my gears is fans who act as though their entertainer of choice owes them something, especially regarding their behavior and personal life. No one is entitled to the private lives of Dan and Phil except Dan and Phil (respectively). I think, sometimes, fans (especially younger ones) will feel that, since the entertainer they're a fan of had an important impact on their life, that they therefore deserve to have some form of impact/control over the entertainer's life. Parasocial relationships, blah blah, etc etc.

You both just made the point I was trying to make, but way better.

Speculation doesn't bother me at all. The attitude that can sometimes be behind it has potential to. (I think IDB is one of the better places in phandom for avoiding that kind of entitlement and expectation, but we're not immune.)

[saffarinda]

Labour and young people were really shockers in this election - I'm so happy about all the seats labour has gained, and the amount of people that turned out to vote!

Although Theresa May is forming a union (obvs not a coalition ) with the DUP which is so shit because of their policies, it's made a lot of non-voters see potential in labour to actually get somewhere, and made more centrist Tory's pissed off at Theresa because of the DUP's extremist views.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was another elections soon, we're going into brexit negotiations in 10 days and we'll look pretty weak to everyone else - I don't think it'll go well for us. That, or another potential EU Referendum if negotiations go shit.

[alittledizzy]

I'm not always super into phandom style humor but this one legit cracked me up.

(Dan also liked it.)

[autumnhearth]

Erm... are there references I'm missing? ^^^ Like obviously it's the wedding march and "I want death" is a Dan thing. Choking I guess? But the spit in my mouth? Help. But umm cheers to both of them for finding it amusing publicly.

[VengefulBlue]

no ref that i know of, just generally kinky-ness (or kinkiness? is there a correct way of writing that?)

[alittledizzy]

Timestamps for Phil's liveshow:

:58 - Pretzels are all-American snacks, and Phil is eating them.
2:55 - No dogs at polling station. Anti-dog center.
3:18 - Sneezed while voting, which resulted in a jaunty little cross.
4:10 - Star Lord jacket. This was apparently the start of Dan in the chat, suggesting "Star Buddy" when Phil said he wasn't very Lord-like.
4:44 - Teases us about the secrets in his arm zips.
5:00 - Went back to the gym, did running on running machine. (Brisk jogging.)
5:40 - Podcast called My Dad Wrote a Porno; recommends it for people that are old enough. Awkward, but hilarious.
6:21 - "It's about 'erotic novels.' So, you know, it's about porn."
6:35 - Needs to listen to a serious podcast instead. Or music, but music slows down in his brain when he's exercising.
7:35 - Does not own Kill Bill t-shirts.
8:00 - To Phil it does feel like it's been a year since TATINOF.
8:18 - The Quickening theory.
8:35 - "A lot has happened" (since tatinof)
8:44 - Advice for exam stress.
9:40 - Got a D or E in his Graphics exam, because he was so stressed, and got to do it again and got a better mark.
9:58 - Phil realizes someone asked for advice about exams and he told a story about failing one.
10:36 - GCSEs - graphics, german, geography, religious education. (Emphasizes that they had to do religious education.)
10:53 - Good at ones which involved essays and writing, worse at maths.
11:08 - Did he sing "School's out for the phandom"? lmfao. (If I misheard, someone let me know. I listened to it like five times to figure it out.)
11:50 - Only graduation for university.
11:55 - Doesn't want to talk to us while we're in the shower.
12:05 - Food breakdown; throws a little Phil-style lighthearted shade at people who manufacture What I Ate videos.
12:32 - Asked Greek friend (Wirrow) a question about his souvlaki.
13:13 - "I've got texture issues." Same. (Though I've had fries in a poboy before. Just not in burgers.)
14:17 - Ketchup sandwich. I am also grossed out.
14:32 - Als had pretzels, ginger biscuit, and a banana. "Health. Take that, health."
14:50 - "I've been around a little while."
14:38 - Crisps in lunch box at school, have another one when he got home, a third bag before dinner. three bags a day every day. Seems crazy to him now. (But eating a whole tub of Haribo isn't?)
15:54 - As long as he ate his dinner there was no limit on other food he ate. (Listening to Phil talk about how the cupboard was full of snacks and he had free range at them makes me realize how broke my parents were when I was a kid. Snacks and chips were limited because that shit was expensive.)
16:24 - "Prawn cocktail all the way, mate."
16:29 - Haircut, longer sides. Phil now hairsprays his fringe. Also dry shampoo before you go to sleep.
17:59 - Looks up beauty vlog music. Gives beauty tips while upbeat music plays. (Phil says it sounds like he's traveling with his animals; circus music or Phil's furry harem?)
19:15 - Drink lots of water, stay hydrated. Don't forget to moisturize. Cleanse in the shower, afterwards moisturize. Pro-tip.
19:39 - Got Clinique for Men for Christmas. "Specifically designed for my rugged skin." (Mocking voice.)
20:08 - His little whiny "I can't, it's too loud." is aggressively adorable. I want to punch a kitten.
20:14 - He doesn't want to clean us today.
20:25 - Gendered skincare/beauty products are ridiculous, women's products shouldn't be more expensive because it's the same but smells nicer. "Why is it more expensive to be a girl and need deodorant?"
20:45 - "I'm not cleaning-" he protests as he cleans us. (He giggles so much over this.)
21:06 - Google Autocomplete Game and Arms. (Doesn't love Arms, wants to see if there's a story mode.)
21:35 - Two texts come in back to back.
22:11 - Helix (from Arms) haunts his dreams.
22:36 - Apologizes for not being able to put everyone that voted on boats of goats. Wanted to tweet something about voting that wasn't boring. (Audio goes really muffled briefly.)
23:21 - 'It's Pride parade tomorrow in Tel Aviv, said Millie.' "Hope that's enjoyable."
23:39 - Pulls a Haru with the cake scene.
23:48 - Plushie competition tweets.
24:21 - Doesn't think you can name a dog until you have looked at it, unless you give it a stupid name.
24:30 - Chat asks what is in Phil's vicinity? Pretzels.
35:47 - He exercised today, so he's allowed to eat some pretzels.
24:59 - Also in his vicinity: tv remote, rusty broken '&' sign. (Did it break in the move or was it already broken?)
25:28 - His bedroom isn't small it's just smaller. Sacrificed his space for gaming channel.
25:50 - Doesn't actually spend much time in his room unless he's sleeping, spends more time in the lounge and hanging out. Better for gaming channel to have a bigger room.
26:09 - "Which is good because we're got space to roll around in there... in the office chairs"
26:32 - Not going to be a house tour. Phil is not into house tours.
26:43 - Watched a bit of Human Centipede when he was at someone's house.
27:10 - Anime video with Shawna.
27:33 - Didn't mention YOI.
27:48 - Attack on Titan
28:18 - Legs are aching from the running.
28:29 - Guinea pig/dramatic grandmother story.
30:22 - Watching Line of Duty. (Finished it now.)
31:15 - Steven Universe
31:32 - He's forgotten everything that happened in Riverdale.
31:40 - Houseplants are alive; gave Martyn a houseplant when he moved house.
32:01 - Another text message. Claims they are from his parents - and the bank. (Not even his bank, says it's spam.)
32:42 - Lightning excites him but he's afraid of it.
33:27 - Mentions the LAP video where their hair is standing on end in front of google. Electrical disturbance under the floor.
33:58 - Everyone's bff today.
34:09 - Talking about job interviews; story about being a Christmas temp at WH Smith. Thinks that looking back it's cute how he wore a suit and was excited about his first job interview.
35:15 - Asked about life before the internet; says thanks for making him feel old. Life before texting was hard because you couldn't contact someone if you got separated. People were a lot more punctual back then because you just had to show up, you couldn't facebook them.
36:15 - Old man Phil in his old man rocking chair.
36:29 - He'll be one of the last people that remembers life with no internet, and life with the internet. There for the transition.
37:00 - (He talks about having to use Encarta not google and suddenly I feel older than Phil because I remember using actual Encyclopedias, not a compute rone.)
37:36 - Printed off Encarta page as his homework. Game where you walked around the maze.
38:00 - Animal geek.
38:04- He's been watching Love Island. He didn't want to, it just happened.
38:50 - "My friend" was watching it; Bryony.
40:01 - He couldn't believe there was a tv show where people went to bed together after 24 hours and had to watch it.
40:33 - He used to be obsessed with Big Brother. Used to like watching the interactions.
41:16 - Still likes the interior design of it.
41:40 - New Stranger Things, new Game of Thrones.
41:53 - Koala is most exotic animal he's ever touched. (He cuddled it. He went further than touching it.)
42:26 - Dan is staying up all night to watch the election. Two am is normal bed time for him anyway. Phil was worried he might miss Love Island. (Bc they couldn't just watch separate things?)
42:47 - "I do get addicted to trash." Insert picture of Dan.
42:58 - Dan's birthday on Sunday. "Got him a couple of trinkets." Bought Dan one thing Phil wanted for himself.
43:35 - Some kind of birthday japes will happen.
43:54 - Say happy birthday to Dan on Sunday.
44:14 - Went to a family thing, there was a cat there.
44:49 - Two coffees a day unless they're filming lots of gaming videos.
45:09 - BBQ; only a couple pieces of chicken fell on the floor. Evades giving any details about why they cooked or for who. (Still convinced it was Dan's grandparents.)

[lefthandedism]

I am intrigued to see how Dan's political activism develops and excited at the thought of him potentially taking on some leadership, particularly in helping to get young people engaged. I do take issue though with the implication he's made—a few times—that all “young people” have to do is wait for “old people” to die and the world will be a better place. I hope Dan understands that it's a bit more complicated than that.

I'd like to talk about two ways in which I think that position is misguided. (Note: I personally think everyone should vote—I fundamentally endorse any get-out-the-vote effort, even if I think the reasoning behind it is misguided.)

First, a lot has been made of the significance of getting out the “young people” to vote in both the UK election and the recent US presidential election: young people as a group are politically liberal, though of course not every young person is. So, statistically speaking, as the proportion young people casting votes increases, the proportion of liberal votes increases. Arguably, if more young people had voted in the US presidential election, the results would have been different.

But this is also true of other parts of the American electorate: for example, African Americans as a group vote overwhelmingly Democratic, and so if more of that group had voted, the presidential results might have been different.

Conversely, Clinton got 3 million more votes than Trump. Given that the turnout was disappointingly low among groups that would be expected to vote Democratic, somebody else must have been responsible for millions of those left-leaning votes, including many of the “old people” who voted.

So, while high participation of “young people” in an election can definitely tilt it in a liberal direction, that does not mean that young people are the only ones who could or would or do vote that way. To suggest that this is the case sets up an inaccurate contrast between “young” and “old” which at best is annoying but at worst is counterproductive if it keeps liberals of all ages from working together.

Second, suggesting that liberal/progressive/left-leaning views reside only in the young begs the question of how anything progressive was ever accomplished before now. Left-wing heros like Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders are surely “old people”, and maybe this should serve a clue that progressive people are perfectly capable of being old—and have been around being progressive for a while.

We all like to believe that history moves forward to a better world, and it may even be essential to believe that in order to have the courage to work for forward progress. But any look at the past hundred years shows that forward progress is not linear. A lot of really progressive things happened in the early and mid 20th century, things like unions and civil rights, and social programs like the National Health Service in the UK and Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid in the US. The late 20th century and early 21st century have seen a lot of efforts to dismantle all of that, especially starting in the 80s with all that Maggie Thatcher and Ronald Reagan managed to do. But all along the way people have been fighting back; the passage of Obamacare was only a few years ago.

The fight is not brand new, and most of the progress that has been made up till now was made by “old people”, since they were the ones that were around at the time.

What struck me at the demonstrations surrounding the presidential inauguration that I attended was how many “old hippies” were there. People who as “young hippies” fought for civil rights in the 60s and 70s, and can't believe they are having to do it all over again. Anyone who looks forward to old reactionary and conservative people dying off should realize that the old progressives will die off too.

I could make more points, but I think I've sufficiently tested the patience of IDB (and Dan? Lol) with my academic-sounding rant on a slow day on the forum. I'd love to hear from anyone else on any of this (and we could always move to the social-political thread). I will say in closing that I do think that social tolerance and acceptance of more and more differences does seem to be making linear forward progress, and while I'm sure there will be inevitable setbacks, I can hope that all the “young people” will make tolerance a thing to stay.

[human]

I AM BREAD!

[onceinaugust]

Maybe someday they will learn to do the tutorials...

[alittledizzy]

I AM BREAD!

That was your suggestion from the liveshow, right?? Congrats!

[sparkle]

I AM BREAD!

I actually really enjoyed it!


I know I'm supposed to have observations about the game but I cannot get over how good Phil's eyebrows look, and how nice Dans hair is.

(I'm frazzled from the election, I'm about as deep as a puddle right now)

[saffarinda]

Again, not the most INCREDIBLE video, but some light humour I enjoyed. Honestly, I just thought Phil was incredible in this.

Firstly, his corgi shirt is amazing.

Secondly, the intro was cute when they simultaneously popped up. I found the lil info about their choice of "whole-grain, seedy bread" cool (I'm personaly a white bread lover myself - don't like the taste or texture of brown bread)

My two fave moments:

8:29 - The way Phil is so shocked and scared by the bread and almost grabs Dan and shakes him is so funny - especially when his hands just hover mid-air for a moment in shock.

12:30 - Just Phil's responses to Dan ohmygod

Dan: "What sickos out there would want me to do this again?"

Phil *high pitched*: "Meee"

Dan: "Do you want the end of my life?"

Phil, in voice of cats from that video: "Yasss"

I see they're keeping their videos slightly shorter, the ones between 10-15 minutes seem to do better than extensively long ones imo.

[cringemonkey]

Omg. Some quick thoughts after watching "I Am Bread:"
- I loved this video. Not a lot of substance but still funny and cute. I was having a rather bad day so this made me smile
- I love Phil's corgi shirt. I want one
- Interesting how Phil never got that mad at Dan even when he fell off the counter multiple times !! My twin sister and friend who were in the room with me while watching were screaming at me to stop yelling and cringing lol It was cute how he was being v calm and encouraging
- UM ngl I squealed when Phil hit (?) Dan's chest (@ about 11:19). So cute. Wish I could come up with better words to describe things besides cute lol

Overall, not something I'll rewatch but still cute and cheered me up

PS Being a loser again - could someone explain to me how to do a hyperlink ?

[cringemonkey]

(I'm frazzled from the election, I'm about as deep as a puddle right now)

I second this despite not living in the UK I'm still trying to keep updated about what's going on