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phanbanter wrote:
He talks about his own life as a teenager towards the end of the clip as well; what do you think of it? And how much do we know about his young adulthood? All I've seen is his tumblr reply to someone in 2009 where he talks about how some children beat him. Anyone care to elaborate?

mermaid blood wrote:

phanbanter wrote:
He talks about his own life as a teenager towards the end of the clip as well; what do you think of it? And how much do we know about his young adulthood? All I've seen is his tumblr reply to someone in 2009 where he talks about how some children beat him. Anyone care to elaborate?

He really hasn't told that many full anecdotes over the years. He's said he 'had no friends' and was 'beaten up' multiple times though, as recently as on the last season of the radioshow and in conjunction to something talking about 'from grade 6'. at other times he's mentioned being bullied and beaten up until he went to college (15 or 16) and was in a different friendship group.
most andecdotes he's told are about childhood or late teenagehood so i take the lack of them from the middle years as avoidance.

There were lots of things about the meme video I didn't like, but they're all old complaints about his persona on that channel anyway. what i DID love was the honesty in places without excessive Joe King to smooth it over. that felt fresh and brave. and a week after defending his right to joke about his problems in his liveshow, too. good on you Dan for not mincing your words.

the furry confirmation was nothing short of amazing (finalllly, hah). i actually laughed out loud and had to pause it. i LOVE his not letting it go and his apparent sarcastic bemusement at people reducing it to a sexual kink and not believing him. the separation of it from the 'kinks' part felt very deliberate.

secretagentphan for me it is being uncomfortable in public. i work with the public through lack if choice in other jobs and also commute 3hrs a day on public transport and that has set back my mental health in the last 18 months considerably. so it's not necessarily a matter of pushing through and it becoming better with exposure (for me, it has gotten worse), as a lot of people assume and which i find a frustrating misunderstanding. i definitely see times this thinking is applied to Dan.

my own definiton of my functional (I choose that over mild, bc to me that is a bit ambiguous) agoraphobia would be wanting to do a lot more things, so not a lack of interest, but an avoidance of leaving the house alone unless necessary (for work, to buy food etc). the same as you, it changes my mindset and lessens my fear if i'm not alone, and if i had to psychoanalyse it would be the fear of becoming stuck somewhere with no quick escape and embarrassing myself with my behaviour and need to retreat but being unable to, and not being able to get myself home quickly. (i don't experience full-on panic attacks where i can't breathe etc, it's more internalised and slow burning). my agoraphobia used to be dysfunctional, and i spent a few years living alone and being unemployed in my early-mid 20s, for contrast.

I was very interested in Dan's choice of words in that section of the video.

mermaid blood wrote:Emma i wanted to know whether he was talking about people feeling sorry for his audience picking on him, or feeling sorry for him in general bc of what he said about his mental health in the video. frustratingly he's phrased it so i don't think we'll know (maybe intentionally?)

secretagentphan wrote:I would love for some people with agoraphobia to elaborate what their definition of "mild agoraphobia" would be (even though it's a case to case basis, I'm just curious. I have mild agoraphobia and I'll elaborate on what it "is" to me in my experience. (Under the spoiler because it's not directly deppy related)

I'm someone who gets random panic attacks so for me it comes from that. I'm horrified of having an attack in public. I call it mild because I can and do go outside, I'm not going full Brian Wilson. I just need to be with someone I am close with and I'd never be able to go anywhere I'm not at least a little comfortable with without having a really hard time, so props to Dan.

So I guess I'm just curious how wide the spectrum of mild agoraphobia is if that makes sense? I was never told if it ALWAYS relates to panic attacks like in my case, or if it can be general anxiety and depression too.

Basically I don't like leaving my house unless it's go to super specific places, walking down roads or using public transport that's really familiar to me. When I was near my worst a couple of years ago, I could only go to the supermarket near my house, and to my gym - but I had to get a taxi to the gym because I was scared of getting the bus. I had to give up work because the bus ride to my office made me too anxious. Now I live in London again and am much more familiar with the area I live in because it's where I grew up, so there is a bigger scope of places I am happy to go. But if you ask me to go somewhere on the other side of the city that I'm not familiar with I'll probably say no.

It's basically just a constant low level anxiety around going to places i don't feel 'safe' in, it's sort of that I'm scared of having a panic attack in public, and not being able to get home quickly, but also I worry about bumping into people I know and them thinking I'm rude because I'm anxious? I have actually hidden from people I know when I've been out before because I didn't want to speak to them.

Or I'm worried that people that I don't know are looking at me and judging me for acting strange or looking strange or something. I'm very aware of not acting 'normal' when I'm out and about especially when I'm anxious anyway. And I overthink every interaction too, I don't like to buy food by myself because I think the cashier is judging what I've bought/ordered, that kind of thing.

It does make me depressed that I can't go and do things that I want to do but I wouldn't say it causes depression other than that? Although when I'm feeling depressed that makes me less inclined to leave my house too.

Basically I feel very 'safe' at home, and the outside world seems extremely 'unsafe' and overwhelming and stressful to me so it's way easier for me to stay inside, sometimes for days or even weeks at a time, if I am working from home and I don't force myself to go out every day - which I do at the moment, to one of the places on the longish list of where I feel comfortable. But the longer I stay inside the smaller that list gets so I have to push myself.

It sounds worse when I write it all down like that, but I still call my agoraphobia mild because I can go out and do things and live a full life - and sometimes it goes completely (I was in South America for six months last year and I was mostly fine although I was with my partner so that probably helped a lot). And I have had periods where I couldn't even come out of my bedroom. I would wait until the dead of night when my housemates were asleep to get food or go to the loo, and sometimes I would even sit in the dark in my room all weekend so they would think I had gone away! (I know, I was really crazy ) so to me that is 'severe' agoraphobia and how I have it now is just mild because it's manageable as long as I stay within my limits.

Sorry this was so long! Probably no one cares.

lurker wrote:

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dan it's called "ass" smh

i'm still torn about cc so i'm hoping we'll get opinion time with dan in the next live show!

missemma wrote:interested to see other people's opinions on this:

karma_yeah wrote:

lurker wrote:

edit:

dan it's called "ass" smh

i'm still torn about cc so i'm hoping we'll get opinion time with dan in the next live show!

I'm confused -- what was 9 hours?

karma_yeah wrote: I'm confused -- what was 9 hours?

sweetmm wrote:

mermaid blood wrote:

so it's not necessarily a matter of pushing through and it becoming better with exposure (for me, it has gotten worse), as a lot of people assume and which i find a frustrating misunderstanding. i definitely see times this thinking is applied to Dan. especially his achievements which are often cited as proof that 'he's fine', or 'exaggerating', with his own words about his feelings when experiencing (and achieving) those things discredited.

Artdefines06 wrote:

He loves the meme's. He loves the jokes. He told Caspar Lee back when he got the potato sack that our making fun of it means we love him. He said it to the BBC when they tried to make drama over people sending him mean tweets. He is not dumb, and after so many years not as easily offended by the things strangers say.

There were certainly things he was genuinely horrified by. Whether he planned it or not the choking thing got a bit out of hand and he was embarrassed. The teen magazines he has no control over, and proabably really does want them to stop. Pete Wentz unfollowing him (for whatever reason, I still think it was the daily videos not the reindeer tweet) probably makes him None of this is related to his fandom.

Dan is a master at internetting. You think he didn't expect #rubberupfordan to trend. Please. He knew. He still wears the clothes we make fun of, and buys more outrageous ones knowing it will get a response out of people. He is a fan of Joanna the Scammer, youtube and flipside make them go to conferences and meet with people to manage their image all the time, and they see the rise and fall of other youtubers and learn from their mistakes. They are not as innocent as they pretend business wise.

I also think that if he sees all the jokes, he proabably sees the love too. It's hard not to.

SquishPhan wrote:

Cute. Happy for them they got to see it.

sweetmm wrote:All black

sweetmm wrote:All black

missemma wrote:interested to see other people's opinions on this:

MoonPride wrote:

This girl actually sat next to them and is a fan of theirs. Not sure how I would of coped if that was me lol

melon lord wrote:

MoonPride wrote:

This girl actually sat next to them and is a fan of theirs. Not sure how I would of coped if that was me lol

screw Willy Wonka's golden ticket, this is the shit I live for