Dan & Phil Part 50: Should we kiss now?

[phloridas]

I really liked this liveshow! I couldn't watch it for a few hours because of work so I was a bit afraid I overhyped it for myself but it was still pretty great. Highlights for me include the arriving at Wimbledon story (those poor boys), the Colin discussion, and flipping through the GQ magazine. I'd love an entire video about Dan's fashion sense and how he got interested in fashion to begin with--and what he thinks of various male models, of course. Come to think of it, a Colin video would be great too, maybe sharing some cute anecdotes, although what is there that we haven't heard about that dog at this point?

I'm enjoying all the speculation on this possible secret documentary! I agree that it would be incredibly unlikely for them to do anything even remotely related to their personal lives, despite how lovely it would be to see. I can't even begin to guess what it could actually be about, though, but I'm sure it'll be great, knowing deppy.

Re: Dan video ideas, I'd seriously love something where he delves into his theatre kid past, especially as a former theatre kid myself. I'd love to know just what drew him into the acting world in general, why he stuck with it for so long, really just what fueled his passion in the first place. I wonder if it was a bit of an escape for him, much like the fictional worlds that he watches and used to read about. I'd loooveee hearing what his favorite plays and musicals are and why (I mean, we already know about Book of Mormon and Moulin Rouge but what about his favorite Shakespeare play? Did he enjoy studying Shakespeare in school, or did he find him infuriating and impossible to understand at times? Has his opinion on anything changed as he's matured?). Plus, I'm interested as to just how much of his acting experience translates into his sketches in both his and others' videos. I wonder if he'd ever consider playing a more serious character one day, as I can't recall if he ever has in all his time on YouTube? (I still haven't seen PJ's short films that feature him--fake fan, I know--so I could be totally wrong about this.) We know he gave up on it because he didn't think it was a viable path but would he ever consider coming back to it, either in film or onstage, if he ever got the chance? Or is he content with just playing his humorous characters in his (and others') sketches?

Uh, yeah. Clearly, this is something I spend way too much time thinking of. I think this could fit well with a bullying video too, as I get the idea his theatre nerd tendencies may have been a big target for his bullies (or maybe it was cool at his school as it was at mine, I dunno). Also apologies if this just sounds like a bunch of gibberish it's currently 2 am and I had quite the busy past couple of days

Edit: My goodness I really seem to have a knack for making top-of-the-page posts, don't I? (I think this is my third in a row! )

[iwishiwasacasual]

well it's the morning now and my foolish hopes and dreams about that the whole documentary thing are now unrealistic in the harsh light of day i still think the idea of one is really interesting and would still probably sell at least one non vital organ to get it. just imagine if they did actually make a documentary in which they acknowledge their early friendship which we all know has become infamous within the fandom for being, for lack of a better term, hella gay. for a lot of people simply them recognising that it happened would be straight up confirmation.

obviously this is all speculation and we'll never know how they'd actually handle it irl but i don't think it would take a lot from them to convince people. i'm pretty skeptical about 'phan' and i do not see how they could explain some of those early tweets and interactions without basically outing themselves or admitting to queerbaiting (sorry for bring up the cursed word), i mean they could just ignore them but that wouldn still probably be taken as confirmation. (i suppose this is the reason why they couldn't really make a documentary)

what i really wanted to ask you all about all of this is, would you be okay with it?

i mean i'm sure your gut reaction is to say 'yes, i want this more than i currently want oxygen'. but really think about whether you'd be okay with dnp all but confirming their relationship in a documentary you have to pay for. when tatinof and the story of tatinof came out i think their was some discussion about whether it would ethical for them to essentially come out in a video you have to pay for and i was just wondering what is your take on it now?

i mean this question is mostly irrelevant because it's built entirely on hypotheticals but i still think its intersting.

[blackdenim]

Ah yes, My favorite secret project thing of all time that I accidentally found and was the first to actually post about it, the lemonaidmoney follows. But, I really find this persons thread of "evidences" as to what it might be a major stretch though. Also, I'd like to point out that Phil's been following the manager since at least 2012/2013-ish from what i could figure out from twitter follows.

I remember when you found this! It does seem as though they might be working with that guy, but I agree - the 'evidence' in that thread is a major stretch. For one thing, a lot of streets in London look the same and that shop is definitely not on D&P's old street (I kind of doubt they would have proper business meetings in their flat anyway? Surely it would be at their managements office, etc.).

I think if they are working on a film/documentary with him it's less likely to be a serious documentary/personal story about them and their lives and their meeting/relationship and more likely to be something fun and light playing off their 'brand' - like a sort of film version of TATINOF. i mean, I'd love to be wrong but I can't honestly see them doing some kind of serious story about their roots and 'rise to the top', etc. it's not really their vibe as far as I can tell - especially not right now when they're still so young, essentially at the start of their careers, and there's still so much speculation around the nature of their relationship.

[autumnhearth]

Hmmm. I'm finding "would I be okay with it" and "do I think it's scrupulous" to be two different things for me. I would absolutely pay for an origin story. Is it fair to put it behind a paywall? Probably not.

That said I don't think a personal documentary is happening (at least not anytime soon). I do think they are working with Lemonade Money on *something* (or a few things) but that company does so much. The Japan theory is intriguing. Come on August!

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 We believe in original treatments with quality production values using the best in creative resources.

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We believe in audience first content created for a new generation of viewers. Our goal is to create engaging video that gets people talking, sharing and wanting for more.'
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Enjoyed the ls yesterday. I wasn't able to watch it until six hours later. You've all said it all, but it was a good Dan. I was a bit surprised that he has another video coming so soon. Maybe another collab as he said "I have a video" rather than "I have an idea". Did he specifically say DINOF or could it be DINI? He probably would have specified if it was the latter. I noticed while watching and then later on in some of the gifs that a couple of the times when he was talking about Phil he glanced over to the lounge.

[flarequake]

If they felt the need to make an announcement I doubt they'd put it in regular kind of content, or extra content, or anything paid. They want to keep them separate and I think they'd be as subtle as they could with as little info as possible. There are TV documentaries about famous peoples' lives usually when they've become a national treasure or, tbh, died, and I wouldn't necessarily want to pay extra for that kind of thing, but maybe.

[fancybum]

what i really wanted to ask you all about all of this is, would you be okay with it?

i mean i'm sure your gut reaction is to say 'yes, i want this more than i currently want oxygen'. but really think about whether you'd be okay with dnp all but confirming their relationship in a documentary you have to pay for. when tatinof and the story of tatinof came out i think their was some discussion about whether it would ethical for them to essentially come out in a video you have to pay for and i was just wondering what is your take on it now?

I personally think they wouldn't be into it because it amounts to literally selling their relationship, and they've always seemed to value a certain level of privacy over money. But as to whether it would be ethical? I know a lot of people weren't impressed with Joey Graceffa coming out in his book and with a music video and all of that because it was all so commercialized or whatever. But it's also his life and he can make money with it in whatever way he wants. If people are interested in something (for whatever reasons) and you can use that to improve your own life in some way (even if other people just perceive it as hardcore selling out), who can really say if it's ethical or not? (Well, clearly lots of people, but that doesn't necessarily make them correct). Self-exploitation in a system built to work against you can be ~empowering (sorry, I can't always take that word seriously), but there will always be backlash to consider. Depending on the person, the backlash, and from within your own community, not even just from outside of it, along with any loss of perceived integrity, will be worth the gain (financial or otherwise). I don't think D&P are people that would value the gain over the backlash (if their joint """coming out'"" was done behind an intentional paywall), especially with all Dan's talk of self-acceptance and being your true self to be happy etc etc., like I don't think he would ever add 'and to get a hefty payday' at the end of any of that. So I don't think it's because coming out for pay in some way is inherently unethical that D&P wouldn't do it, just that it's not their particular style as people. If any of that made sense.

[beczor]

Since its almost 6am and I can't sleep and I need to keep myself entertained, 're: the secret project/possible documentary theory.

I do agree that it seems extremely unlikely they'd film a documentary on their private relationship given, well, who they are. They worked extremely hard to keep their private life as distant as possible from their internet life. And yet, 2017 and even 2016 really has already showed cracks in these walls they put up.

I guess what I'm wondering is, given that I 100% believe they are together, in a realistic-not-fangirl way, I do wonder where that leaves us. They're letting us see into their affection more and more, not denying stuff but not confirming. There will be a point though where it will be obvious? I imagine even a couple of years in the Future, a house, a dog..even children? They're both the dad type tbh.

I'm trying to imagine if..no, how they'll give the internet the truth. I don't ever expect a coming out video on YouTube, but I could see being open about it at one point, even slipping it in a casual way during some interactions.

What do you think? (I apologize If this topic has been discussed before, as I imagine. It's insomnia induced rabling)

Don't apologise, this is a topic I actually find really interesting,

Because you are right as much as I agree that they have every right to their privacy and that I doubt they'd make an honest to god documentary about their relationship considering their past stance on such things. It does make me wonder if they do have any plans in place.

Like you said if they are 100% together there will become a point where this is undeniable fact. Forever home, dogs, marriage, kids etc. And when that happens I don't think the fans are going to be the main issue at first. It'll be the media.

They might not be Beyonce or RDJ levels of fame but they are still famous. And the news outlets will want a story.

So you have to ask yourself, do you tell your own (edited & controlled) version of the story or be prepared for whatever garbled version the press spits back out after trawling through the past posts and fan theories. (I don't even want to imagine what a mess would come from fans over exaggerated versions of 2012).

I wish we did live in a world where people don't have to come out because being in love with someone regardless of gender is normalised but unfortunately at the moment that isn't the case.

Idk i just think it'll reach a point where it's going to have to be addressed even if very casually to their audience. But maybe it's just me being overly cynical of how the media would behave. I just don't trust those vultures.

(wow this is my first post hi - hope it all looks okay)

I actually can see it being a really long time before mainstream media picks up on anything or starts asking questions, personally. I say that cause of my experience of how relationships between two women are reported, as in they aren't, unless specifically stated. Obviously if they had kids together, that would be a different story. But I can see them buying a house together, even a dog, and the headline/comment simply being 'BFFs buy bachelor pad together'.

I've already noticed it in terms of Dan's sexuality, which you could say is them being sensitive/careful of course. But for instance he's talked about his crush on Evan Peters a lot, and I saw it reported as Evan Peters being his 'man crush' *pukes in mouth*. Specially since deppy aren't gay, and talk about women being attractive occasionally, have reference past relationships with women and a lot of Mainstream outlets still don't get sexualities that aren't Straight/Gay - they could go under the radar to ages, because if anyone was like 'seems like they are dating...,' someone will just bring up an example of them liking a girl.

And the other part is, their 'relationship' is now forever linked with 'crazy' shippers, so at most, you might get 'they bought a house, and shippers THINK it means this'. Or 'shippers are going CRAZY because of this'.

But who knows.

[Vanderlyle]

sooo many people have riffed off a style that was very, very danisnotonfire™ - to the extent that is kind of became the new "norm" for a while. it's kind of cool if anyone has time to go back and look at YTers 2011-2012 stuff and see how people have changed.

Dan didn't invent the style, but he certainly popularized it.

I think he's actually mentioned it somewhere himself, but natalie tran was obviously a big influence:
31 august 2010

17 march 2012


I've been rewatching kevin wu's old videos as they are being reinstated (hoping, but not assuming, he'll upload again soon )
14 may 2007

14 september 2010


Lilly Singh I think follows the arc you lay out in your comment; older videos from 2011 (that are still up anyway) are mostly talking straight to the camera while her videos starting in late 2011/early 2012 through to the present are pretty consistently character/skit based Types of X or How Not To Y. She's really really good at it.

I'm glad you posted this because I was reading that thinking like "I swear his style was not that original, it was popular at the time" but I didn't have any sources but my memory so I was like "ehhh maybe im wrong." I also feel like on youtube, being emo-looking guys into brightly colored things and anime was unironically in, kind of a post-scene trend. Destrey (CapnDesDes) and Nate come to mind as prime examples, but shane, anthony, joey graceffa, and more at least had the emo hair in 2010-2013ish. Hard to imagine now since it's so out of style. I think it mostly catered to a young demographic that missed the boat on the emo/scene myspace era in its prime, but wanted in. Being properly emo was going out of style, but the hair was still in and elements of the fashion (like black skinny jeans with brightly colored tees.) A softer version of the emo movement I would call it, especially notable in my opinion is that dark, depressing things were out. The emo look was less associated with self-harm and depression, and more associated with social awkwardness, anime, and art.

Anyway, I think Dan and Phil really nailed what that demographic was looking for/liked and it helped with their popularity. But maybe I just say this because I was kinda in that demographic myself and am very bias. What do you guys think?

i didn't mean his style as a person/ persona, but specifically the style/rhythm of his videos. but yes, "post-scene" is a good word for that whole "vibe" of the late 2000s. i would also add, as others have mentioned through the ages, the prevalence and "popularity" of bisexuality within that subculture. then, hipster culture became popular and many people did an 360 in that direction. the like emo god of my high school circa 2007 now plays banjo.

in terms of vids, absolutely Nat was a huge, huge influence and a pillar of the community, and her influence is present in the way dan has structured his videos, but there was always something brighter, louder - and i'll mention again, particularly the intentionally jank use of photoshop, that felt really different to me at the time.
i mean - it's not like pj who has done something completely his own on yt it anything. pj is so great.

also tossing back to dan and phil singing, my friend is trained as a voice performer and she finds dan and phil both to be on the line of tenor/baritone voices. the falsetto voice is something she said a lot of guys revert to to be "silly" when they aren't comfortable with their natural voice range. she said they could easily be trained if they ever wanted to - but again. that would require risk and daring to take oneself seriously, which is scary

and here is this...um... interesting? throw back for funsies


personally, "lizards" is my favorite track on the deppy ep so far tho

[autumnhearth]

fancybum

beczor Yeah, I can see that.

Can I ask what media would hypothetically be reporting on this? Like who has covered them in the past? Not just for the book and tour. The only regular sources I can see is We The Unicorn, TenEighty, CelebMix, Tubefilter and occasionally MTV UK. I know teen magazines have been mentioned, but I haven't been here long.

[mysterylovescompany]

Hello

A while back, I compiled a google doc of deppy's liveshows, including links, which you can access here: https://deppyshows.tumblr.com. Today I was updating the doc with the most recent ls, and then got bored/distracted and decided to compile a table of liveshow stats:

It should be simple enough to read. Numbers on the left of the slashes are how many liveshows happened that month; numbers on the right are how many liveshows could have happened that month. 2017 is unfinished (for obvious reasons), but it should be easy to calculate current sums and percentages for it, should you wish you do so.

Anyway, I thought it was interesting, posted it on Twitter, and missemma asked me to share it here as well. Thoughts? They do seem to have a habit of travelling in April and NOT travelling in September.

(also, if you want to see the table in better quality, just visit the deppyshows tumblr for the doc - pm me if you have trouble)

[autumnhearth]

It's always husky and sexual with those two. With an animal occasionally thrown in.

[BuffyFiona]

the like emo god of my high school circa 2007 now plays banjo.

Nothing is more emotional than the banjo!!!! (I really love banjos) [Actually I could go on and on all day about how punk and folk music are basically the same thing, just with electric vs acoustic instruments, and how most counterculture scenes are just modern iterations of folk cultures, but that's neither here nor there.]

in terms of vids, absolutely Nat was a huge, huge influence and a pillar of the community, and her influence is present in the way dan has structured his videos, but there was always something brighter, louder - and i'll mention again, particularly the intentionally jank use of photoshop, that felt really different to me at the time.

I always felt like Dan was like, the younger, shitpostier version of Nat, who combined her style of video with more youthful internet culture and that whole post-emo scene you were describing. Actually, when I first watched a Dan video in 2012 when my YT fangirling was ending, I thought "this is funny, he's like communitychannel, but with a tumblr!" (and then followed him on tumblr but never watched another of his vids until 6 months ago)

personally, "lizards" is my favorite track on the deppy ep so far tho

"Ladders" is my fav... it brings a tear to my eye

[liola]

Hello

A while back, I compiled a google doc of deppy's liveshows, including links, which you can access here: https://deppyshows.tumblr.com. Today I was updating the doc with the most recent ls, and then got bored/distracted and decided to compile a table of liveshow stats:

It should be simple enough to read. Numbers on the left of the slashes are how many liveshows happened that month; numbers on the right are how many liveshows could have happened that month. 2017 is unfinished (for obvious reasons), but it should be easy to calculate current sums and percentages for it, should you wish you do so.

Anyway, I thought it was interesting, posted it on Twitter, and missemma asked me to share it here as well. Thoughts? They do seem to have a habit of travelling in April and NOT travelling in September.

(also, if you want to see the table in better quality, just visit the deppyshows tumblr for the doc - pm me if you have trouble)

Oh this is interesting! I guess the repeat of the numbers in certains months go hand in hand with some commitments that happen during those days like Playlist Live and Vidcon and such. I'd be interested to see how many times they did liveshows together and in which younow (I think it's mostly on Phil's). I also was trying to backtrack all the times Phil showed up on Dan's liveshows vs Dan showing up in Phil's, not counting the joined liveshows. I'm a nerd like that lol

Can I ask what media would hypothetically be reporting on this? Like who has covered them in the past? Not just for the book and tour. The only regular sources I can see is We The Unicorn, TenEighty, CelebMix, Tubefilter and occasionally MTV UK. I know teen magazines have been mentioned, but I haven't been here long.

Well, some media would report it, at least the kind of media that cover Internet celebrities. That said, even in the past couple of years there's been an increased interest into influencers and so it's only expected to think that the more time passes, the more interest traditional media will get into internet celebrities. It's no news that Deppy are some of the most famous youtubers, and while it might not be a huge scandal of any sort, the possibility that there would be interest around them saying that yes they're indeed together is there.

Not to forget they reached over the line between digital and traditional with their work on BBC, so they're a bit more known in the UK media, at least. They also won Teen Awards, which are streamed and interest the general traditional audience, so it's not that weird that traditional media would take an interest.

That said, there's a difference between media outlets that only cover gossip and actual news. So really, someone will probably say something. Whether it would matter or not, that's another question, and it changes for every single person.

never let someone with a degree in marketing and media get involved into this kind of conversation

[Vanderlyle]

the like emo god of my high school circa 2007 now plays banjo.

Nothing is more emotional than the banjo!!!! (I really love banjos) [Actually I could go on and on all day about how punk and folk music are basically the same thing, just with electric vs acoustic instruments, and how most counterculture scenes are just modern iterations of folk cultures, but that's neither here nor there.]

in terms of vids, absolutely Nat was a huge, huge influence and a pillar of the community, and her influence is present in the way dan has structured his videos, but there was always something brighter, louder - and i'll mention again, particularly the intentionally jank use of photoshop, that felt really different to me at the time.

I always felt like Dan was like, the younger, shitpostier version of Nat, who combined her style of video with more youthful internet culture and that whole post-emo scene you were describing. Actually, when I first watched a Dan video in 2012 when my YT fangirling was ending, I thought "this is funny, he's like communitychannel, but with a tumblr!" (and then followed him on tumblr but never watched another of his vids until 6 months ago)

personally, "lizards" is my favorite track on the deppy ep so far tho

"Ladders" is my fav... it brings a tear to my eye

oh yea - i'm from appalachia and i have played the mandolin for years. folk has always been my fave genre - which everyone used to love to call me a "hillbilly" for - but now it's trendy i guess.

it's interesting how tumblr culture has become youth culture these days - i guess YT has become a big part of that.

i do miss the days of simple videos - i miss the gritty cameras and the lack of pressure. production quality is so high and as ben cook said the "digerati" are inescapable. i mean, the majority of the really popular young american YTers make videos all about their clique drama. i don't even know who anyone is anymore.
back in undergrad, my two best friends and i would watch charlie and alex and dan and phil and all the old guard - everyone thought it was SO WEIRD. the only plus is, i taught a university class last spring and i have literally never been cooler or more relevant with the young'uns

ladders is a second fave

[flarequake]

I'm wondering if the upswing of liveshows in September is partly them being aware of kids going back to school and needing the stress relief more. Or maybe it's just a quieter time of year for them with less invitations to go out somewhere.

[mysterylovescompany]

Oh this is interesting! I guess the repeat of the numbers in certains months go hand in hand with some commitments that happen during those days like Playlist Live and Vidcon and such. I'd be interested to see how many times they did liveshows together and in which younow (I think it's mostly on Phil's). I also was trying to backtrack all the times Phil showed up on Dan's liveshows vs Dan showing up in Phil's, not counting the joined liveshows. I'm a nerd like that lol

I, er, found that out too. It really depends on what you count as a joint liveshow. I defined it as one in which they spend a roughly equal amount of time onscreen. Therefore:

Out of 13 joint liveshows total, 10 are on Phil's younow and 3 are on Dan's.

Not counting joint liveshows, Dan appears in 36 of Phil's, and Phil appears in 37 of Dan's. (Most of these are in 2012/2013.)

[BuffyFiona]

It's always husky and sexual with those two. With an animal occasionally thrown in.

This is the second time in one week that Phil has described a rat as sexual
and I am NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT

Thanks for the stats, Susannah! I'm definitely a stats nerd! Interesting that there has been a decrease over the years (barring an increase in 2015) but at least so far this year it has gone up a bit (they're both at ~53.8%), which makes sense it terms of the tour being over and 2017 being more chill, as they promised (though they're still always off doing something cool... my life being more chill this year has meant more time to obsess over deppy while sitting around my parents' house searching for a job).

folk has always been my fave genre - which everyone used to love to call me a "hillbilly" for - but now it's trendy i guess.

Haha, I've always been obsessed with folk, punk, soul, and 60s rock (and many more pre-70s genres), which just meant people called me a hippy and an "old soul." Mandolin is awesome!

[flarequake]

Best I can think of is a rat is sexy to another rat. Phil's deep voice is sexy af so I'm with him on that, but yeah, maybe not everything needs to be an animal I hope he gives it enough time to recover well, he should know by now to be careful not to strain his voice.

[somethingsketchy]

Best I can think of is a rat is sexy to another rat. Phil's deep voice is sexy af so I'm with him on that, but yeah, maybe not everything needs to be an animal I hope he gives it enough time to recover well, he should know by now to be careful not to strain his voice.

I thought Dan was the rat out of those two.

[autumnhearth]

They're both rats. *Pictures the backwards STAR RATS pics from DAPGO.*

I mean, I think he was just trying to make a voice progression analogy from a squeaky mouse (but the mouse is chain smoking so I don't even know). Dan refers to himself as a sounding like a "husky sexual goose" during a liveshow and then Phil is just husky and sensual/sexual during a Radio 1 show and the first Easter Baking video. See below.

At 8:34

[fondsmiles]

what i really wanted to ask you all about all of this is, would you be okay with it?

i mean i'm sure your gut reaction is to say 'yes, i want this more than i currently want oxygen'. but really think about whether you'd be okay with dnp all but confirming their relationship in a documentary you have to pay for. when tatinof and the story of tatinof came out i think their was some discussion about whether it would ethical for them to essentially come out in a video you have to pay for and i was just wondering what is your take on it now?

I personally think they wouldn't be into it because it amounts to literally selling their relationship, and they've always seemed to value a certain level of privacy over money. But as to whether it would be ethical? I know a lot of people weren't impressed with Joey Graceffa coming out in his book and with a music video and all of that because it was all so commercialized or whatever. But it's also his life and he can make money with it in whatever way he wants. If people are interested in something (for whatever reasons) and you can use that to improve your own life in some way (even if other people just perceive it as hardcore selling out), who can really say if it's ethical or not? (Well, clearly lots of people, but that doesn't necessarily make them correct). Self-exploitation in a system built to work against you can be ~empowering (sorry, I can't always take that word seriously), but there will always be backlash to consider. Depending on the person, the backlash, and from within your own community, not even just from outside of it, along with any loss of perceived integrity, will be worth the gain (financial or otherwise). I don't think D&P are people that would value the gain over the backlash (if their joint """coming out'"" was done behind an intentional paywall), especially with all Dan's talk of self-acceptance and being your true self to be happy etc etc., like I don't think he would ever add 'and to get a hefty payday' at the end of any of that. So I don't think it's because coming out for pay in some way is inherently unethical that D&P wouldn't do it, just that it's not their particular style as people. If any of that made sense.

this is an interesting question, iwishiwascasual, and fancybum, you raised some really good points.

I can see that they might not want to first share their relationship in a way where people have to pay for it. and yes, they are probably aware that it would cause backlash and that's not something you specifically seek out.

But, I can also see why it would be something someone would choose.

For deppy, their relationship has been discussed probably since before they met, over and over again. There's speculation everywhere, we on here have threads and compilations and screenshots too, and it comes up again and again in the main thread, and everyone has their assumptions and interpretations.

With a background like that, maybe if you decided you wanted to share a relationship, you would want to do it in a way that does it justice. Meaning, you would want to carefully choose what to show, maybe you would want to explain how everything came about and share the entire journey to make everyone understand why you did things the way you did.

Because, imagine this: They might have been together since 2009, and they told that now, just randomly in a video or whatever way you can think of. There would be backlash too, a lot of it, probably. "You have lied to us" "but what about 2012" "you said [grandma comparison]", people would dig it all up and accuse them of things. Maybe, if you had decided you wanted to share that, you would also like to tell it piece by piece so maybe more people understand why you're only sharing now.

Or maybe, it would just feel like such an important thing after so long that you want to display it in a high quality and beautiful way, because you're excited to share it properly.

Those are just some reasons I could imagine why someone would want to do a bigger production than a simple YouTube video.

And why shouldn't that be paid? There goes a lot of work into such a thing; of course there needs to be something that comes out at the end of it for those who created it. And, they get paid for YouTube videos too, it's just not our specific decision to give them money and you can watch it even without paying.

I just want to provide justification for deciding to share big things like this in a way where people have to pay. You might want it to be yours only, you might want to do it properly, and of course you'll need your efforts to be weighed up.

And I don't think they have an obligation to make their relationship the easiest thing accessible, even if they choose to share it. A fandom still doesn't have the "right" to have free and open access to it; that's not something you can expect from a creator, in my opinion.
Especially since the information will obviously be shared in the fandom and they would probably address it on their own if it was prefaced by a big coming out event. You got the info, if you want the high quality stuff that a lot of work went into, you'll have to pay for that high quality stuff.

All of that being said, I don't think that's a thing deppy would do, because fancybum really pointed out great reasons why they probably wouldn't want to. I just personally find it justifiable if they would want to after all.

[RachelPhan]

[offtopic]Merch related

So I ordered the dark galaxy backpack over the weekend and this beauty arrived! Now do I complain that it's not what I ordered, sell it on eBay for mega money or enjoy being the only one who's got one of these until it's eventual release date!

For those wondering the tags inside and on the strap say dan and Phil, and the paper tag is the blossom tag. Also it says Black Galaxy backpack on the delivery note![/offtopic]

[xaephan]

[offtopic]Merch related

So I ordered the dark galaxy backpack over the weekend and this beauty arrived! Now do I complain that it's not what I ordered, sell it on eBay for mega money or enjoy being the only one who's got one of these until it's eventual release date!

For those wondering the tags inside and on the strap say dan and Phil, and the paper tag is the blossom tag. Also it says Black Galaxy backpack on the delivery note!

[/offtopic]

Iiinteresting. Is that glitter or is it printed on? If it's printed on I'd seriously consider buying that as my way to contribute to their corgi fund...except the writing. I could pretty easily cover it with a patch or something, though. I'm not sure if you're very lucky or very unfortunately haha

Slight more on-topic but not really: has anyone see a gif set/isolated video of Dan talking about how people were saying he wasn't confident, but he is? And then he made a distinction between self-confidence and...putting himself out there? I don't remember exactly what he said, but the one gifset I've seen of this bit only included his sarcastic 'I'm so unconfident I put all of this out for millions of people to see'. That bit is super interesting to me.

[flarequake]

Can we guess it's a new design not released yet or are they really confused about their own design?

[RachelPhan]

Can we guess it's a new design not released yet or are they really confused about their own design?

I'm unsure, I assume it's a new design for back to school stuff in September, but it's using the blossom line mixed with the galaxy range so

[offtopic]Merch related

So I ordered the dark galaxy backpack over the weekend and this beauty arrived! Now do I complain that it's not what I ordered, sell it on eBay for mega money or enjoy being the only one who's got one of these until it's eventual release date!

For those wondering the tags inside and on the strap say dan and Phil, and the paper tag is the blossom tag. Also it says Black Galaxy backpack on the delivery note!

[/offtopic]

Iiinteresting. Is that glitter or is it printed on? If it's printed on I'd seriously consider buying that as my way to contribute to their corgi fund...except the writing. I could pretty easily cover it with a patch or something, though. I'm not sure if you're very lucky or very unfortunately haha

It's a rough glitter fabric, very much so! It's not exactly the most understated of items let's put it that way haha


Also I'm waiting for updated Phan to tweet it, holy shit will I get an angry Phil DM pray for me