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Regarding the book reviews, Dan said last week in the live show he had'nt read Cursed Child yet because he is going to see the stage show. Maybe he got Phil tickets for his Birthday?

Also going back to the video, the amount of 'we' 'us' and 'phil' will be so confusing to a new viewer. I was waiting for him to clarfiy who Phil was and he never did. It comes across like he is talking about his boyfriend lol.

I am so hyped because Dan put this masterpiece in his 2016 memes video. I was so hoping he would see it so I am happy enough people in the phandom sent it to him (me included). Yeah, this meme has probably been beaten to death but I mean

Loads of posts I want to say to, particularly by captainspacecoat and silverwinter.

I loved the video, it's a really good example of Dan's storytelling and humour, and it's hard to tell where he's being real except about anxiety. All of it makes me want to hug him, ruffle his hair (which I'm sure he'd hate) and tell him it's okay, but that particularly. I had a short phase of arm-awkwardness as a teenager, but thankfully it passed. I was also 25 before anxiety started ruining my first career and still had a nightmare with it flaring up last year, ten years later, but I'm mostly a lot better now. I sometimes wonder if he's had or would get some help with it, either way he might yet find peace with it all.

I introduced my bff to the boys by way of pinof8 which piqued her curiosity to watch a few minutes of Tatinof. It wasn't long before the (almost-obligatory it's funny) "is he (Dan) gay?" And when I said "no, but..." then "aren't they a couple?" from how they were playing about (second friend to like Dan better too). I'd been thinking Dan's new video was actually a great introduction to him and of everything they do together. She wasn't convinced overall, but I showed her the derpy photo of Dan with the Christmas wreath compared to when she took some derpy selfies on my camera cos he reminds me of her every time he does that face (they have similar noses and face structure), so that was funny.

He looked tired, though. For all they've had a few weeks off, boy really looks like he needs to sleep and that brings out the mum in me more than anything (age gap ftw, I don't get this with Phil).

Enjoyed the content but not the delivery; again too loud and shouty.

silverwinter wrote:
so it just makes me feel sad knowing that so many people are feeling guilty for making jokes about a rich guy wearing a high-end designer sweater. or for poking fun at a sparkly suit - which (for completely valid reasons) dan chose to focus on instead of the hundreds of people showing their love and excitement for the cuteness that was the BONCAS. ESPECIALLY bc dan has always said that he understands and appreciates his audience harmlessly making fun of him - that he gets that kind of humor and that it's no big deal.

i don't wanna tell people how to feel, but imo, there is absolutely no reason to feel guilty about any of this. i don't think dan was trying to shame his audience - i think he was being sarcastic and pretending like he was non-appreciative and offended to fit the theme of the video. so it seems like (at least the tumblr) phandom is blowing this out of proportion. these are not reasons to coddle dan.

THIS. These two paragraphs are exactly what I was trying to say - I really don't think he needs to be coddled and while people are entitled to feel however they feel (and understandably, I think a lot of the tumblr phandom are quite young so maybe they're more likely to take it to heart), there's really no need for people to beat themselves up about the things he was saying. He's using self-deprecation as a comedic device, and I'm sure Dan is very conscious of the fact that he's blowing these things out of proportion and acting overly outraged to play his role as downtrodden, sarcastic, awkward, woe-is-me DINOF (not saying there's anything wrong with that, but those are definitely traits that he's taken on over his youtube career without a doubt).

aw, here i was hoping he would draw his reaction to the shoutout.

I wasn't going to post anything because I didn't really have an opinion on the memes video since it left me with a mix of bleeding ears and frustration but upon rewatching it for a second time I've got some things to say.

First of all, it wasn't bad. I kind of loved the first half of it, up until the BONCAs mention, that's when things started going downhill for me and my frustration kicked in. The next memes he used were not really memes in my opinion (did people really meme it up with Dan's missing legs?) and to me, the video kind of unnecessarly dragged on longer that it needed to. Also, Dan, my sweet love, please stop screaming.

Now, to my main point (which I've forgotten since I started writing this post) here's an example of what frustrates me about Dan:

People cared about the BONCAs, people cared so much and so did Dan and Phil. It's so alienating seeing such an important night for them and for us, when we all came together as a community (sappy, but I'm allowed) watching Phil get up on that stage and drag Dan's glittery ass (jesuisunèléve I hope you let me steal that from you because I loved it) on stage being reduced to "no one cared, you all just bullied me for my outfit".

This is just an example and I know Dan has that pessimistic approach to things (alittledizzy has made some great posts about this and can explain it better than I ever will) and his over exaggeration is just for entertainment and comedic purposes but I just can't help getting frustrated.

mysterylovescompany wrote:

PhilsEyelash wrote:Why can't I find the link to Phil's livesteam? Hasn't anyone uploaded it or am I just too tired to think straight? :/

Here's phanshows' last hurrah. Apaz Phil will start putting his liveshows on his side channel as well (if he can figure out how).

Thank you!

Sorry for phanshows...but I will be very glad to have a better quality video of the livestreams that doesn't have lots of loading errors and pauses in it. (Hopefully the "official" vids will have a better quality!)

Also my mom watched a couple of D&P vids and thought they were charming. She calls them Dave and Phil though, which I find hilarious. She just hasn't memorized their names yet.

My mom is really into Japan lately and talking about how she'd love to visit, so I sent her the Japan Day and Japan Haul videos (as well as the Crossy Road vid from Gamingmas because my mom and I are both Crossyroad addicts tbh.

She liked it all a lot (I was very surprised), and watched some more of their stuff. Without being prompted, she decided "Dave" was the handsome one and Phil was the sweet one.

Also Anyway that was quite eventful for me. I'm always wary of sharing fannish stuff with people or family IRL but in this case it was a positive experience.

Count me in on the people who are irritated about commenters feeling genuinly bad for Dan and claiming people should be nicer to him. His literal job is being a funny person on the internet, without memes and people dragging everything to the extreme he'd have never become this popular.

captainspacecoat and silverwinter's posts

Also I found this even weirder as a reaction to this year's video (I don't remember whether there was a reaction like this to last year's tho) since a lot of these "memes" were actually deliberately introduced by himself.
Mentioning kinks all the time? Dropping furry hints like no tomorrow? Letting your bf(f) tweet from your account for a spon video? Wearing obnoxious items of designer clothing? Joking about vaping?
Sorry, but Dan knows exactly what's gonna happen if he does these things, and if anything he gets a good laugh out of it just like the rest of us. (Pete Wentz unfollowing him is too bad, but how is this anybody's fault except Phil's maybe?)

Apart from the OTT reactions, especially the ending (I didn't quite get what made this video especially cringe, and how does he still pretend he can't watch his first video, after rewatching, recreating and using it as a joke a bazillion times) the video was fun.
A bit lengthy in parts and I still like the 2015 one more because it just felt a lot more actually meme-y (?). The only real memes in this video IMO were spamming protip and the youtuber storytime one (arguably the worst and the best meme of last year).
Most of the rest were just things that happened, like other people said.

2016, apart from being the worst was also just bad for memes in general. I have high hopes for 2017 (and I am hyped about memedocumentation on tumblr being back this year, who is with me?)

Still this makes a nice look back on 2016, while in Dan's typical sarcastic, exaggerated and simpifying manner. But who'd have expected a heartfelt all-embracing explanation of all the important things that happened to him last year from a DINOF video? yeah, me neither

I'm still disappointed about the Boncas part, that meant so much to us as a community and even them at the time and to see Dan say that we only cared about his suit is a bit of a insult.

I've only watched about a 1/4 of Dans video (because I got fed up with two frigging adverts only 7 minutes in, watching on mobile without adblock rip me) but the peace sign section did make me feel kinda bad for the guy. Fancy having to meet literally thousands of people and feel so anxious about it (forever thankful that none of my photos have the peace sign in them haha). However, I did side eye a little bit of his explanation seeing as the peace sign even happens when he's with phil just sight seeing and being just the two of them.

I really want to watch the rest but the whole multiple adverts annoy me, I swear there was never this many adverts in any of their videos before. I think I started noticing it during Gamingmas.

mio wrote:Count me in on the people who are irritated about commenters feeling genuinly bad for Dan and claiming people should be nicer to him. His literal job is being a funny person on the internet, without memes and people dragging everything to the extreme he'd have never become this popular.

To me, it's just a case of everything in moderation. And it is his job but it's also his life, 24/7, inescapable, given that he's someone who uses the internet for fun and hobby as well as job. I think it's okay to view him as an adult who can handle jokes and profits from it, and also as a human being who is still emotionally effected by people mocking things he's sensitive about. A lot of the phandom doesn't seem to have any sense of judgement between what is light-hearted or fondly roasting/'Dan' humor and what is poking at an obvious bruise.

so that video was...loud.

for real tho, it was pretty good, nice to get some new content (i guess 'new' could be debated considering its like part of a series now lol) i felt bad for him too when he said about the peace sign thing and having mild agrophobia. as much as he does the peace signs, if that's what he's comfortable with, who cares right. (i don't smile with my teeth in photos, it's just something i don't do, so i have a default smile/do peace signs aswell, it's just more comforting)

MoonPride wrote:I'm still disappointed about the Boncas part, that meant so much to us as a community and even them at the time and to see Dan say that we only cared about his suit is a bit of a insult.

yeah i thought he would of said some more things about it tbh. it was a lovely night, warmed our little hearts and he went on about his suit. yes, daniel, your suit was bright. but you're focusing on the wrong thing there.... *ahem* phil *ahem*

what surprised me was the kink thing. 'for real tho, funnily enough choking is pretty much the one kink i don't actually have.'

at this point i was like ????????? i remember no other kinks now can someone remind me it's been frustrating me since last night that i don't remember.

also furry most definitely confirmed. 'little hints' the repeated 'joke' yes ok dan we totally get it

MoonPride wrote:I'm still disappointed about the Boncas part, that meant so much to us as a community and even them at the time and to see Dan say that we only cared about his suit is a bit of a insult.

I'm with the minority that didn't take Dan's annoyance at face value. While I agree with the general idea that he leans towards negativity regarding memories and past experiences, I think this shows way more in unscripted situations (aka liveshows). This time, it mostly felt like it fitted the concept of the video. For example, when he talks about the weed jumper he says 'wore it literally once. Ruined it' (or something along those lines), but we all know he didn't shy away from wearing it at any given opportunity.

What I mean is that to me it read as something he would say just for comedic effect. Same thing with the potato sack jumper, Danger Men at Work or Boncas. I don't think Dan genuinely feels his audience, which he knows adore him uncondicionally, didn't appreciate the effort he put into his YT content or TATINOF at all. In fact, people at TATINOF Europe knew The Internet is Here by heart, right?

The peace sign moment left me a bit ambivalent and I admit it could be taken both ways, but I seem to remember Dan talking about doing peace signs because he didn't know where to put his hands in a liveshow, and I don't recall him sounding distressed or even bothered. If something, he sounded mildly amused (though I don't remember what liveshow it was, or even if it was a liveshow).

To sum up, in my opinion the video was not that deep, and the self-deprecation was intended to be light-hearted.

OK captinspacecoat basically said everything I wanted to say but BEAUTIFULLY. I found the meme video made me laugh out loud more than any other Dan video in a WHILE (like possibly two years?) but I couldn't tell if it was because of Dan or the funny edits (the meme of Dan walking in the documentary really gets me for some reason).

Some thoughts about his last video (it may have been said before but I feel like ranting, sorry).

I rewatched the video and it really wasn't bad- too long maybe but it did have some enjoyable parts.

idk- what makes me really feel for Dan is that he can't express opinions, make jokes, send out tweets, or even breathe without a lot of people making it into something. I'm not talking about this community- for the most part everyone is pretty level-headed and respectful- but the Twitter and tumblr fandom start self-diagnosing Dan's various "mental issues" (made up by them) and concern trolling over statements he makes that they don't agree with.

annetamiau wrote:What I mean is that to me it read as something he would say just for comedic effect. Same thing with the potato sack jumper, Danger Men at Work or Boncas. I don't think Dan genuinely feels his audience, which he knows adore him unconditionally, didn't appreciate the effort he put into his YT content or TATINOF at all. In fact, people at TATINOF Europe knew The Internet is Here by heart, right?

I definitely get that rationale with some of the things. For most of the video it's not so much that I think Dan's fans made Dan feel bad, as Dan's perception of his fans (for real, or for comedic purposes) just isn't funny to me. It's not Dan self-deprecating, it's Dan acting like deprecating humor is all his audience throws at him. That's just annoying to me, so naturally it doesn't make for a video I love.

The furry part was also perfection.

I enjoyed some parts, though. I think he genuinely liked the memes about him based on other memes, and silly ones like 'phanholdingthings' and 'protip' and the choking kink stuff and the cereal.

(But I do think him using blunt words associated with mental health and not backtracking or disclaiming it at all negates any joke factor of the hands thing. That is not ambiguous at all to me, he could not more clearly state why he does peace signs and how it relates to his anxiety and how he feels in group settings.)

alittledizzy wrote:

mio wrote:Count me in on the people who are irritated about commenters feeling genuinly bad for Dan and claiming people should be nicer to him. His literal job is being a funny person on the internet, without memes and people dragging everything to the extreme he'd have never become this popular.

To me, it's just a case of everything in moderation. And it is his job but it's also his life, 24/7, inescapable, given that he's someone who uses the internet for fun and hobby as well as job. I think it's okay to view him as an adult who can handle jokes and profits from it, and also as a human being who is still emotionally effected by people mocking things he's sensitive about. A lot of the phandom doesn't seem to have any sense of judgement between what is light-hearted or fondly roasting/'Dan' humor and what is poking at an obvious bruise.

From what I'm seeing on twitter, a lot of people, mostly younger fans, are struggling to understand that difference and genuinely think they've bullied Dan and what's worst (but unfortunately not new), they are making other people feel bad for laughing along with Dan's jokes.

I'm hoping Dan explains in his next liveshow how his humour works and how the video wasn't his way of "asking people to stop bullying him" but just him having a (self-deprecating and sarcastic) laugh.

secretagentphan wrote:Because of Dan's self-deprecating attitude I went on tumblr and just got hit by a WALL of "Be nice to Dan !!! You're bullying him and hurting his feelings with memes!1!" Like.... cmon man, he's 25. I find it baffling how these people enjoy/watch Dan while not getting his sense of humor at all.

This could be some next-next level sarcasm if it wasn't on Tumblr.

+1 to mio's post.

I've got to hand it to Dan, he's got confusing people and making them talk about him down to an art.

alittledizzy wrote:(But I do think him using blunt words associated with mental health and not backtracking or disclaiming it at all negates any joke factor of the hands thing. That is not ambiguous at all to me, he could not more clearly state why he does peace signs and how it relates to his anxiety and how he feels in group settings.)

i feel like both impressions don't necessarily cancel out? i agree with your perception of the peace signs part, the tone was definitely different there, starting with the "let me explain" bit, but i simply took it as a "i do this, and i know it looks funny, but i'm also going to address the reason why i do it" thing. he can be serious in this part without wanting to make the audience feel bad about the jokes, if that makes sense -- the explanation was of course clear and serious, i thought it was clear that it wasn't great to have people joking about something he was self-conscious before already, but i also thought the bits where he said "...so that you can feel bad" and "thanks for taking that away from me" were clearly back to joking. (that might have been what both of you meant already, if so, sorry for misunderstanding)

lurker wrote:

alittledizzy wrote:(But I do think him using blunt words associated with mental health and not backtracking or disclaiming it at all negates any joke factor of the hands thing. That is not ambiguous at all to me, he could not more clearly state why he does peace signs and how it relates to his anxiety and how he feels in group settings.)

i feel like both impressions don't necessarily cancel out? i agree with your perception of the peace signs part, the tone was definitely different there, starting with the "let me explain" bit, but i simply took it as a "i do this, and i know it looks funny, but i'm also going to address the reason why i do it" thing. he can be serious in this part without wanting to make the audience feel bad about the jokes, if that makes sense -- the explanation was of course clear and serious, i thought it was clear that it wasn't great to have people joking about something he was self-conscious before already, but i also thought the bits where he said "...so that you can feel bad" and "thanks for taking that away from me" were clearly back to joking. (that might have been what both of you meant already, if so, sorry for misunderstanding)

Oh yeah - I agree with you! I don't think at any point in the video Dan was outright trying to make his audience feel bad. I took it the same way you did. He wanted to explain because to him it's something different than a lot of the other meme situations, but he still kept it light enough that it didn't seem accusatory. I'm sure Dan himself understands the pitfalls of making everything so ambiguous. Even when he wants to be taken seriously, no one really does because they're used to Dan trying to play everything he says off as a joke.

OK I only watched the video once last night on mobile and I already had a raging headache at the time so all the screaming necessitated me putting the phone down a few times to get through the whole thing. SO I'm in no position to discuss it too much with any kind of critical eye. The things that stood out enough for me to recall now were the 'choking is my only non-kink' (I'm shocked and appalled btw) and #furryconfirmed. Also the Hector shoutout was so sweet, but I was waiting for him to pull up a physical painting that he may or may not have requested to have... (was it the bee one?)

mio wrote: Apart from the OTT reactions, especially the ending (I didn't quite get what made this video especially cringe, and how does he still pretend he can't watch his first video, after rewatching, recreating and using it as a joke a bazillion times) the video was fun.

He actually can't though, otherwise why would Phil have any success in using it as something to chase him out of a room with? He has been nothing but consistent over the years in expressing sheer pained embarrassment over that video. Maybe only true self-loathers can understand the effect something really regrettable/embarrassing from the past can continue to have on someone. For me, if I even think about certain things from my past (that could maybe just be a funny story to anybody else), I can feel something deep in my soul actually dying a painful death. That video kills something in him, he's not faking that. And since it's forever on the internet he kind of just has to laugh it off and roll with it, but laughing/(cringing) it off doesn't mean he can watch it like it's nothing.

And I'll need to rewatch to see what parts were too much, but getting upset or disappointed about his video focusing on the negative/funny parts over being sentimental.......???? (As a concept I mean, criticize the execution all damn day). That's the point of the video??? He even disclaimed at the beginning he didn't want to make a sentimental look back at the year, because that's not what the channel or the video are about. That's what the liveshows are for.

He's said over and over again how much tatinof meant to him, how much he genuinely appreciated the kind and supportive response to his roast video, him and Phil discussed the boncas in their liveshow. And actually Dan even said there quite clearly about the awards: "I was dying inside" from the anxiety of there being "a lot of people there" and the competition aspect. So while he appreciated the awards (and obviously Phil's gesture), let's not completely take away his own feelings on the thing being more stressful than 'sweet' as an overall experience in order to romanticize the one moment we most enjoyed from it. Basically, he's gone on all year expressing how much everything meant to him and acknowledging fan support. But on dinof, the sarcastic internet cult leader, he's going to focus on the rest of it. It's a cheeky look back in memes, not a love letter. Him not acknowledging his own sentimentality for the better part of the year in one comedy video doesn't erase it all happening or lessen the meaning of his many words already on the subject.

My headache-biased sleep-deprived review after one semi-watch:
2015's was better lol.

just want to ask - i've been through some of dan and phils archives from tumblr ( i was bored ) and found some stuff but im not sure where to post? dont wanna post in wrong thread is all

edit: nvm i found similar stuff in the attraction thread

rizzo wrote:.....

Things I loved and/or found interesting:

• Dan has mild agraphobia. Hm.
  
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I'm thinking Dan meant agoraphobia. But maybe he does have a bit of agraphobia