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this latest video was fucking funny. loved 14:17 where you can see phil picturing dan "impaling another guy" and then he goes on to vocalize his wants lol "i would watch that"

voyeurism kink ?

Amiaw wrote:

secretagentphan wrote:Haven't watched the video yet, but at the pewdiepie mention. I don't want to defend them shrugging off his racist behaviors, but I'll kind of play the Devils advocate for a minute. This doesn't make what they did okay, but I think it's awkward when you know someone personally then see them act like an idiot in a completely different way than you know them. I think Dan calling him a problematic dad was his way of acknowledging that what he did isn't okay and he doesn't support it, but he doesn't want to publicly slam his "friend." I don't agree with that approach but I understand why he did it. It's similar but not nearly as bad as pewdiepie with Zoella. She gets caught doing shady shit all the time, but they won't say anything because she's nice to them when they see her at events, so it's just awkward basically. I wish they wouldn't do it but I somewhat understand that they're in a horrible situation. I hope this doesn't sound like I'm defending them because hearing that Dan said that actually irritated the shit out of me.

Idk because Dan liked a tweet from PewDiePie the other day and not only does he talk about him in the video (Phil does too so he's also being side eyed) but he also said he was Felix's friend in one of his Facebook replies to the video which shows that, at the very least, they are still publicly standing with him.

Yeah I don't know why they're publicly standing with him... ugh. Like there's literally NO excuse or argument you could make to say what he did wasn't racist. None. He wasn't trying to be "edgy" or make a point, he just did horrible shit. I'm not saying trying to be edgy is an excuse, I'm saying there is NO redemption for him. I thought he was over being an ignorant asshole and genuinely learned from his mistakes a few years back, but now he's doing it worse than ever. Very salty towards deppy for this. The most annoying part is they'll probably get away with it because all they have to do is be cute to make people forget. I hope Dan addresses it and makes me feel better, but this whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth.

Amiaw wrote:

secretagentphan wrote:Haven't watched the video yet, but at the pewdiepie mention. I don't want to defend them shrugging off his racist behaviors, but I'll kind of play the Devils advocate for a minute. This doesn't make what they did okay, but I think it's awkward when you know someone personally then see them act like an idiot in a completely different way than you know them. I think Dan calling him a problematic dad was his way of acknowledging that what he did isn't okay and he doesn't support it, but he doesn't want to publicly slam his "friend." I don't agree with that approach but I understand why he did it. It's similar but not nearly as bad as pewdiepie with Zoella. She gets caught doing shady shit all the time, but they won't say anything because she's nice to them when they see her at events, so it's just awkward basically. I wish they wouldn't do it but I somewhat understand that they're in a horrible situation. I hope this doesn't sound like I'm defending them because hearing that Dan said that actually irritated the shit out of me.

Idk because Dan liked a tweet from PewDiePie the other day and not only does he talk about him in the video (Phil does too so he's also being side eyed) but he also said he was Felix's friend in one of his Facebook replies to the video which shows that, at the very least, they are still publicly standing with him.

My thing is they didn't even have to bring him up at all. I mean the "premise" for playing it is because PoopyPie said that no one would like playing it in 2017, but that was unnecessary. They could have just played it because everyone else and their great auntie Mable played it, so now they should try their hand at it too. But no they used him as their muse for the video.

The more I think about it the more irritated I become, but I'm pretty much in a bad mood so that could skew my feeling about it a bit. If he is such a good fucking friend of theirs they should, if anyone, could call him out. Hell if a so called friend of mine was acting like a colossal "problematic" d-bag I would be calling them on that shit real quick. And the fact that he has so many "yes" men means someone should say something, who better than a friend (and someone he would potentially) have some respect for. Maybe he would think twice and dare I say it see the error of his ways? If he wasn't so famous or had any kind of influence it wouldn't be as bad, but he is literally the biggest youtuber there is, sometimes those in power need to be taken down a notch and who would they listen to, but their friends because lord know us peons wouldn't have any effect on him.

Don't get me wrong if he had 3 subscribers it would still be a problem, but he has influence and he is abusing that power and influencing people in the worst way. We already have horrible people showing the idiots of the world it's okay to treat other people like crap, at least he (if he is at all a decent person, which I doubt highly now) could show that people with power and influence can also be good and humane and worthy of the fucking power/popularity they have.

Sorry, I may have gotten a little bit of my trump hate mixed in with this rant, but still I think it's valid.

Maybe it's because they'll contact Felix privately? They probably don't want to start any public drama, so they'll contact him in private instead. It looks like they're standing with Felix in public, but I think that they'll give him a piece of their mind in private because I would really be disappointed if they're friends with someone with that kind of personality (like, if Felix really is like that). I'd probably unstan if that's the case. I hope they'll shade him sometime in the future though.

I really doubt they are going to call out pewdiepie. Dan calling him 'problematic' was a callout in a sense, but he said it fondly to make it clear that he is also friends with him. We may disagree about the pewdiepie thing. I definitely think less of pewdiepie now that he has used slurs and generally been insensitive. I don't really think that he is bigoted though? I think that he is a priveleged, insensitive man, who was trying to be edgy.
I think that D+P probably view Felix as a friend, and being in the limelight, know what it is like to get called out for the things that you say. It would have been favorable if they had not basically publicly supported him. Yet i don't think they are endorsing the bigoted things he has recently done- rather him as the person that they know him to be.

spaceguitar wrote:I really doubt they are going to call out pewdiepie. Dan calling him 'problematic' was a callout in a sense, but he said it fondly to make it clear that he is also friends with him. We may disagree about the pewdiepie thing. I definitely think less of pewdiepie now that he has used slurs and generally been insensitive. I don't really think that he is bigoted though? I think that he is a priveleged, insensitive man, who was trying to be edgy.
I think that D+P probably view Felix as a friend, and being in the limelight, know what it is like to get called out for the things that you say. It would have been favorable if they had not basically publicly supported him. Yet i don't think they are endorsing the bigoted things he has recently done- rather him as the person that they know him to be.

From the last thread, re: the girl who sat next to D&P at the HP play:

"She did a group chat on Twitter about it. Phil fed Dan sweets and they giggled about it, they looked at dog vidoes on Twitter and Dan made sure in the second half he swapped seats with Phil."

I don't think I believe the feeding part. They seem very sensitive to their public image. If I saw two people doing that in public, in a crowded theater - I think I'd vomit on the spot. I can see them sharing popcorn, but "feeding sweets?" Nope.

OT: Watched "La La Land" again. Same reaction - 3/5 stars. The Cinemascope was great, and the colors were nicely saturated though. Maybe because it was more a drama and less a comedy - or the fact that Hollywood insiders are incessantly buzzing about it, IDK.

A good movie that came out this year about LA and the movie industry was "Hail Caesar." The Coen Brothers directed and it is pretty funny. It even had a ridiculous musical number with Channing Tatum (who did a good job.) Check it out.

uglyamerican wrote:From the last thread, re: the girl who sat next to D&P at the HP play:

"She did a group chat on Twitter about it. Phil fed Dan sweets and they giggled about it, they looked at dog vidoes on Twitter and Dan made sure in the second half he swapped seats with Phil."

I don't think I believe the feeding part. They seem very sensitive to their public image. If I saw two people doing that in public, in a crowded theater - I think I'd vomit on the spot. I can see them sharing popcorn, but "feeding sweets?" Nope.

That's because the feeding part wasn't true. The girl tweeted at first that they were just indeed, sharing snacks. No mention of feeding anywhere in the original tweets she posted about it. Most likely, that got misunderstood somewhere along the way?

The freaking game! Getting your leg 95% lopped off, yet still dragging it behind you by its tendrils... Satisfyingly ridiculous.

#WavyDan

I guess coming in with the context of having seen a number of pewdiepie's recent videos, I saw deppy playing happywheels as a small dig at felix, not really a friendly thing? Recently felix has been basically shitting on other youtubers because they are "fake" for views and he uses happy wheels as an example in most of his videos like the one i linked below. happywheels is his go-to game to shit on when felix wants to talk about other youtubers, and I felt like them playing this game is more like them, i don't know, making a statement in opposition? I'm sorry I'm usually way better at overanalyzing things the flu is killing my groove

4:10—everyone on youtube kinda put up a fake version of themselves, or a different version of themselves. Like literally every youtuber I met speaks differently to you rather than to a camera […] I feel like I wanted when I talk to you guys I want to be a version of me that feels genuine I don’t want to go “AHH HAPPY WHEELS AAH” even though it would get me more views

edit: also OT wow dan's video got over 2mil views in 5 days

Well all I can say is that I was disappointed when I saw it was happy wheels. I definitely thought I was going to be a console game.
It is hard watching someone else play happy wheels when you have watched Jack play 40+ episodes. With his own names for the people (its Steve not Richard)

I had really low expections going into it. I thought it was funny. It was funny how bad Phil was at it! Just your typical happy wheels video.

Didn't any one get Dan a poor lip balm for Christmas. Come on Dan. You can spend thousands on clothes. A lip balm is a pound at boots!

At least it is sims next. Can't wait to see the new toddler update.

Winston wrote: My thing is they didn't even have to bring him up at all. I mean the "premise" for playing it is because PoopyPie said that no one would like playing it in 2017, but that was unnecessary. They could have just played it because everyone else and their great auntie Mable played it, so now they should try their hand at it too. But no they used him as their muse for the video.

that's my problem with the video too. in the pewdiepie thread i mentioned that knowing that they're friends i at least hope they would refrain from publicly associating with felix for a while, but HERE THEY GO, not a week later, jeez! it's not that difficult to just, you know, not bring him up? whatever.

uglyamerican wrote:From the last thread, re: the girl who sat next to D&P at the HP play:

"She did a group chat on Twitter about it. Phil fed Dan sweets and they giggled about it, they looked at dog vidoes on Twitter and Dan made sure in the second half he swapped seats with Phil."

I don't think I believe the feeding part. They seem very sensitive to their public image. If I saw two people doing that in public, in a crowded theater - I think I'd vomit on the spot. I can see them sharing popcorn, but "feeding sweets?" Nope.

I don't find it that hard to believe. They have fed each other multiple times in vids that get watched by millions.

SquishPhan wrote:

uglyamerican wrote:From the last thread, re: the girl who sat next to D&P at the HP play:

"She did a group chat on Twitter about it. Phil fed Dan sweets and they giggled about it, they looked at dog vidoes on Twitter and Dan made sure in the second half he swapped seats with Phil."

I don't think I believe the feeding part. They seem very sensitive to their public image. If I saw two people doing that in public, in a crowded theater - I think I'd vomit on the spot. I can see them sharing popcorn, but "feeding sweets?" Nope.

I don't find it that hard to believe. They have fed each other multiple times in vids that get watched by millions.

Maybe at the moment of Phil feeding Dan he had no idea the girl next to them was a big fan. I bet they do this when at the cinema too.

papierklemmen wrote:

Winston wrote: My thing is they didn't even have to bring him up at all. I mean the "premise" for playing it is because PoopyPie said that no one would like playing it in 2017, but that was unnecessary. They could have just played it because everyone else and their great auntie Mable played it, so now they should try their hand at it too. But no they used him as their muse for the video.

that's my problem with the video too. in the pewdiepie thread i mentioned that knowing that they're friends i at least hope they would refrain from publicly associating with felix for a while, but HERE THEY GO, not a week later, jeez! it's not that difficult to just, you know, not bring him up? whatever.

yeah, same -- i mean, i could imagine that they really got the idea from him and planned to mention him due to wanting to give credit, and then tried to take the middle ground of giving credit for the idea (?), not starting public drama with him before possibly having talked to him in private (??), and distancing themselves (???). however, if that was the plan, i don't think it worked out well, because imo calling him a "problematic dad" does not serve to acknowledge what happened. "problematic" as a phrase itself has kind of lost a lot of its original meaning due to extensive use, and adding the "dad" just serves to trivialize the issue. might be that this wasn't what they intended, but it's how it came out in the end.

MoonPride wrote:

SquishPhan wrote:

uglyamerican wrote:From the last thread, re: the girl who sat next to D&P at the HP play:

"She did a group chat on Twitter about it. Phil fed Dan sweets and they giggled about it, they looked at dog vidoes on Twitter and Dan made sure in the second half he swapped seats with Phil."

I don't think I believe the feeding part. They seem very sensitive to their public image. If I saw two people doing that in public, in a crowded theater - I think I'd vomit on the spot. I can see them sharing popcorn, but "feeding sweets?" Nope.

I don't find it that hard to believe. They have fed each other multiple times in vids that get watched by millions.

Maybe at the moment of Phil feeding Dan he had no idea the girl next to them was a big fan. I bet they do this when at the cinema too.

I can see that.

Also I agree with Catallena on the fact that I think Dan got pretty lucky a few times while playing the game. Felt like he should have died a couple of times, but instead he got to live on.

Hi,
a pre-emptive disclaimer: sorry for nagging in my first proper post. Not the best way to make an impression...
I am kind of annoyed by this call for people to be politically perfect human beings. You can choose to comment on the behavior of others but you don't have to. That is not their job. I heavily doubt that the forum members here call out every injustice they come across, especially in their work environment. (I have very strong opinions about so called “au-pairs“ but I have to stay professional when working with people who employ them.) And saying that you are disappointed or side eying is judging them for something another person did. I have been quietly reading for some time but I feel that opinions (not the right word, tolerance for words that one might not like?) here are drifting towards intolerace for anything slightly offensive.
I can get offended pretty easily by certain words or ideas but I can appreciate a good joke when I hear one. So I am trying to not be hung up on pronouns, careless statements or people who are not crusading for justice 24/7.

Again, not trying to do what I am ranting about- please don't hate me, I love to read your extensive essays on furniture and film collections.

I think Dan's said he does use chapstick and his lips are still dry. Thirsty stressed lips No more to add tbh, what an insightful post this is

I_tried wrote:Hi,
a pre-emptive disclaimer: sorry for nagging in my first proper post. Not the best way to make an impression...
I am kind of annoyed by this call for people to be politically perfect human beings. You can choose to comment on the behavior of others but you don't have to. That is not their job. I heavily doubt that the forum members here call out every injustice they come across, especially in their work environment. (I have very strong opinions about so called “au-pairs“ but I have to stay professional when working with people who employ them.) And saying that you are disappointed or side eying is judging them for something another person did. I have been quietly reading for some time but I feel that opinions (not the right word, tolerance for words that one might not like?) here are drifting towards intolerace for anything slightly offensive.
I can get offended pretty easily by certain words or ideas but I can appreciate a good joke when I hear one. So I am trying to not be hung up on pronouns, careless statements or people who are not crusading for justice 24/7.

Again, not trying to do what I am ranting about- please don't hate me, I love to read your extensive essays on furniture and film collections.

I don't think anyone's asking anybody to be "politically perfect humans" - there's no such thing. In my case, I'm simply expressing disappointment that youtubers (Dan and Phil included) continue to excuse Felix's blatantly racist behaviour. Are Dan and Phil bad people or racist because they included Felix in their video? I definitely don't think so. But we're allowed to say if it disappoints us, I think part of being a fan of someone is making sure that you're not just blindly following them and that you do speak up when they do something you disagree with. Again, this isn't a huge deal and I'm not unstanning them or anything, simply saying that I don't think Felix deserves to be supported publicly after using the n word and making anti-semitic remarks in the space of a week. That's my opinion, you don't have to agree with it. Also, I'd guess that a lot of us are especially sensitive to this sort of thing given that today was Donald Trump's inauguration and it's looking like the world is rapidly leaning to the right, which in my opinion means we should be even more vigilant about those sort of attitudes than ever.

Winston wrote:

Amiaw wrote:

secretagentphan wrote:Haven't watched the video yet, but at the pewdiepie mention. I don't want to defend them shrugging off his racist behaviors, but I'll kind of play the Devils advocate for a minute. This doesn't make what they did okay, but I think it's awkward when you know someone personally then see them act like an idiot in a completely different way than you know them. I think Dan calling him a problematic dad was his way of acknowledging that what he did isn't okay and he doesn't support it, but he doesn't want to publicly slam his "friend." I don't agree with that approach but I understand why he did it. It's similar but not nearly as bad as pewdiepie with Zoella. She gets caught doing shady shit all the time, but they won't say anything because she's nice to them when they see her at events, so it's just awkward basically. I wish they wouldn't do it but I somewhat understand that they're in a horrible situation. I hope this doesn't sound like I'm defending them because hearing that Dan said that actually irritated the shit out of me.

Idk because Dan liked a tweet from PewDiePie the other day and not only does he talk about him in the video (Phil does too so he's also being side eyed) but he also said he was Felix's friend in one of his Facebook replies to the video which shows that, at the very least, they are still publicly standing with him.

My thing is they didn't even have to bring him up at all. I mean the "premise" for playing it is because PoopyPie said that no one would like playing it in 2017, but that was unnecessary. They could have just played it because everyone else and their great auntie Mable played it, so now they should try their hand at it too. But no they used him as their muse for the video.

The more I think about it the more irritated I become, but I'm pretty much in a bad mood so that could skew my feeling about it a bit. If he is such a good fucking friend of theirs they should, if anyone, could call him out. Hell if a so called friend of mine was acting like a colossal "problematic" d-bag I would be calling them on that shit real quick. And the fact that he has so many "yes" men means someone should say something, who better than a friend (and someone he would potentially) have some respect for. Maybe he would think twice and dare I say it see the error of his ways? If he wasn't so famous or had any kind of influence it wouldn't be as bad, but he is literally the biggest youtuber there is, sometimes those in power need to be taken down a notch and who would they listen to, but their friends because lord know us peons wouldn't have any effect on him.

Don't get me wrong if he had 3 subscribers it would still be a problem, but he has influence and he is abusing that power and influencing people in the worst way. We already have horrible people showing the idiots of the world it's okay to treat other people like crap, at least he (if he is at all a decent person, which I doubt highly now) could show that people with power and influence can also be good and humane and worthy of the fucking power/popularity they have.

Sorry, I may have gotten a little bit of my trump hate mixed in with this rant, but still I think it's valid.

CallMeAyana wrote:Maybe it's because they'll contact Felix privately? They probably don't want to start any public drama, so they'll contact him in private instead. It looks like they're standing with Felix in public, but I think that they'll give him a piece of their mind in private because I would really be disappointed if they're friends with someone with that kind of personality (like, if Felix really is like that). I'd probably unstan if that's the case. I hope they'll shade him sometime in the future though.

It's naive to think D&P will privately call Felix out on his shit after publically giving him such a big shoutout and making his 'problematicness' out to be a joke. Felix is the biggest YouTuber on the platform and I'm sure D&P feel at least a little honored to have been graced by his presence once in a while. That also means he holds a certain untouchable status, so peers like D&P don't want to call him out in fear that they'll be disliked by him. He holds all the power. They're really not gonna risk it in private if they won't do it in public. D&P are no better than the rest of the YouTube community in that regard. They might hold off now, politely declining new offers to hang out while lying through their teeth about how busy they are until the friendship naturally falls apart.. But calling him out? Nah.

I_tried wrote:Hi,
a pre-emptive disclaimer: sorry for nagging in my first proper post. Not the best way to make an impression...
I am kind of annoyed by this call for people to be politically perfect human beings. You can choose to comment on the behavior of others but you don't have to. That is not their job. I heavily doubt that the forum members here call out every injustice they come across, especially in their work environment. (I have very strong opinions about so called “au-pairs“ but I have to stay professional when working with people who employ them.) And saying that you are disappointed or side eying is judging them for something another person did. I have been quietly reading for some time but I feel that opinions (not the right word, tolerance for words that one might not like?) here are drifting towards intolerace for anything slightly offensive.
I can get offended pretty easily by certain words or ideas but I can appreciate a good joke when I hear one. So I am trying to not be hung up on pronouns, careless statements or people who are not crusading for justice 24/7.

Again, not trying to do what I am ranting about- please don't hate me, I love to read your extensive essays on furniture and film collections.

I give them a lot of passes on always keeping quiet about serious issues within the YouTube community (probably more than I should), but this was different. D&P didn't do their normal 'ignore-everything-let's-talk-houseplants' thing, they actively gave Felix a shoutout in their video and then made a joke about him being legit problematic (god I hate that word, it really has lost all meaning). That means they enabled his behavior and I'm really can't make excuse for that. I just can't. It's dangerous. Problematic fave is a cute name for a celeb who fucks up sometimes but does generally try to not be shit human being. Felix is not one of those people. I assume he knows how to work Google and has every opportunity to educate himself (hell people even try to do it for him) but he chooses not to do that. It proves he doesn't care.

I used to be a lot more tolerant of people like Felix, then I woke and realized they don't tolerate or respect me and never will, and that being a pushover won't help in winning battles for equality. Always tolerating things like this helped that orange foreskin get into the White House. I have officially stopped caring about being 'intolerant' to these people. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I've said this before in the Pewdiepie thread; we could all do with a little less tolerance towards white men and their bullshit. We don't have to keep bending over backwards and make excuses for them while trying to be as saintly as possible, because they will never care.

Catallena wrote: I've said this before in the Pewdiepie thread; we could all do with a little less tolerance towards white men and their bullshit. We don't have to keep bending over backwards and make excuses for them while trying to be as saintly as possible, because they will never care.

I agree with your whole post, but I'll quote only this part because it's the most important one.

I think most of us try to find excuses for some people and Dan and Phil aren't immune to that. Do I think they are assholes? No. Do I think we should all unstan because they keep mentioning PewDiePie? No. But do I think we should talk about this and mention that they shouldn't do this? Yes, obviously!

I get them, I really do. There are so many possibilities why they'd do this. Denial, fear, not wanting any conflict, etc. It's not right, but they aren't perfect and a lot of us stand with problematic (I really don't know another word for this, it has lost its meaning, but well) people for various reasons. We shouldn't do this, but it's difficult. I have a racist grandma and I love her so much. I do argue with her about her racist behaviour and call her out on it, though.
This paragraph sounds like I want to excuse Dan and Phil's behaviour. That's not my intention. Basically, what I'm trying to say is: they shouldn't glamourise Felix' behaviour because that's the easy thing to do, which I understand, but man, this isn't right!

I think we need to stop making the comfortable decision: Not calling out a friend/family member for a whatever-phobic remark, only calling out people we don't care about and ignoring it the remarks of people we love and stan, acting like people are perfect beings that can't make mistakes. If we keep ignoring it, things won't change. It isn't the easy thing to do, people are annoyed by it, there's always so much backlash. But it is necessary. And I am guilty of ignoring, and many of you are probably too. But Catallena is right, we have to stop doing this! Unless your own life would be endangered by it or something like that.

Catallena wrote: I've said this before in the Pewdiepie thread; we could all do with a little less tolerance towards white men and their bullshit. We don't have to keep bending over backwards and make excuses for them while trying to be as saintly as possible, because they will never care.

I agree with your whole post, but I'll quote only this part because it's the most important one.

I think most of us try to find excuses for some people and Dan and Phil aren't immune to that. Do I think they are assholes? No. Do I think we should all unstan because they keep mentioning PewDiePie? No. But do I think we should talk about this and mention that they shouldn't do this? Yes, obviously!

I get them, I really do. There are so many possibilities why they'd do this. Denial, fear, not wanting any conflict, etc. It's not right, but they aren't perfect and a lot of us stand with problematic (I really don't know another word for this, it has lost its meaning, but well) people for various reasons. We shouldn't do this, but it's difficult. I have a racist grandma and I love her so much. I do argue with her about her racist behaviour and call her out on it, though.
This paragraph sounds like I want to excuse Dan and Phil's behaviour. That's not my intention. Basically, what I'm trying to say is: they shouldn't glamourise Felix' behaviour because that's the easy thing to do, which I understand, but man, this isn't right!

I think we need to stop making the comfortable decision: Not calling out a friend/family member for a whatever-phobic remark, only calling out people we don't care about and ignoring it the remarks of people we love and stan, acting like people are perfect beings that can't make mistakes. If we keep ignoring it, things won't change. It isn't the easy thing to do, people are annoyed by it, there's always so much backlash. But it is necessary. And I am guilty of ignoring, and many of you are probably too. But Catallena is right, we have to stop doing this! Unless your own life would be endangered by it or something like that.

Edit: For some reason IDB just loaded in a very weird way, it's probably my Internet. So I don't know if there were other responses before mine because I can't see them

Edit 2: Oops, I managed to reload the page and apparently I double posted. Sorry

captainspacecoat wrote:

I_tried wrote:Hi,
a pre-emptive disclaimer: sorry for nagging in my first proper post. Not the best way to make an impression...
I am kind of annoyed by this call for people to be politically perfect human beings. You can choose to comment on the behavior of others but you don't have to. That is not their job. I heavily doubt that the forum members here call out every injustice they come across, especially in their work environment. (I have very strong opinions about so called “au-pairs“ but I have to stay professional when working with people who employ them.) And saying that you are disappointed or side eying is judging them for something another person did. I have been quietly reading for some time but I feel that opinions (not the right word, tolerance for words that one might not like?) here are drifting towards intolerace for anything slightly offensive.
I can get offended pretty easily by certain words or ideas but I can appreciate a good joke when I hear one. So I am trying to not be hung up on pronouns, careless statements or people who are not crusading for justice 24/7.

Again, not trying to do what I am ranting about- please don't hate me, I love to read your extensive essays on furniture and film collections.

I don't think anyone's asking anybody to be "politically perfect humans" - there's no such thing. In my case, I'm simply expressing disappointment that youtubers (Dan and Phil included) continue to excuse Felix's blatantly racist behaviour. Are Dan and Phil bad people or racist because they included Felix in their video? I definitely don't think so. But we're allowed to say if it disappoints us, I think part of being a fan of someone is making sure that you're not just blindly following them and that you do speak up when they do something you disagree with. Again, this isn't a huge deal and I'm not unstanning them or anything, simply saying that I don't think Felix deserves to be supported publicly after using the n word and making anti-semitic remarks in the space of a week. That's my opinion, you don't have to agree with it. Also, I'd guess that a lot of us are especially sensitive to this sort of thing given that today was Donald Trump's inauguration and it's looking like the world is rapidly leaning to the right, which in my opinion means we should be even more vigilant about those sort of attitudes than ever.

THIS.
I'm seriously finding it worrisome that the phandom is being so defensive over deppy and yelling at anyone who nicely criticises them. Just to be clear I am not shading I_tried (welcome btw!!) I am talking more about things I saw on tumblr. Some of the phandom acknowledged it but most ignored it or left hate replies on completely innocent posts wishing deppy didn't bring him up. The fact that people will blindly follow them really scares me, and idk why because I should've expected this. This is all the more reason why they shouldn't have brushed off what pewdiepie did and just LEFT IT ALONE. Clearly they are a huge influence on what people think is okay, and what people think isn't okay. Saying the n-word and "kill all the jews" as a joke and ruining an innocent business with your privilege isn't okay at all. I'm not equating deppy with that or unstanning, I'm just a little upset at them which is okay. They're not gods, I get upset with my own mother for Christ's sake!

Reizam wrote:

LeftHandedism wrote: I'm living for Dan patting Phil's thigh at 8:30, saying "You really are AmazingPhil, your brand is so accurate!"

This is why I love visiting IDB after every vid... I like to see if anyone spotted anything I missed the first time. I'm hopping in the trash can with you on that .

Do you think Dan really patted Phil's thigh, or it was a tap or Dan reaching for something?

The gif makes it seem like a pat/touch but in the video it moves much faster and Dan's expression is slightly distracted.


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alittledizzy wrote:

Reizam wrote:

LeftHandedism wrote: I'm living for Dan patting Phil's thigh at 8:30, saying "You really are AmazingPhil, your brand is so accurate!"

This is why I love visiting IDB after every vid... I like to see if anyone spotted anything I missed the first time. I'm hopping in the trash can with you on that .

Do you think Dan really patted Phil's thigh, or it was a tap or Dan reaching for something?

The gif makes it seem like a pat/touch but in the video it moves much faster and Dan's expression is slightly distracted.


gif source

I'll be the negative nancy who doesn't think this was a significant thing. If Dan did touch Phil's thigh, it seemed like more of a "scoot over" type of tap. Or he was fixing a wire or something rolling off the desk. I don't think it had much to do with the complimentary words coming out of his mouth.

Now, BRB. Gotta figure out what happened to my this morning...