Dan & Phil Part 102: crisis twinks

[flarequake]

I just remembered, did anyone else notice the bit about beads early on? I haven’t seen the newer Wicker Man film or remember all of the clip with the bees, but it sounds like that “the bees!” Ouch.

[alittledizzy]

Their mutual appreciation society is my favorite.

[sarmstr2]

Sweet and encouraging comments on the video from PJ and Anthony.

[kavat]

I haven't had a chance to watch yet -- I actually love log YT videos, so I'm looking forward to it -- but I have been curious specifically about the response from other creators. Like, is this an experience that others have had and how well does Dan describe some of the challenges both of just being a creator and with YouTube specifically? If anyone has seen those sorts of responses, I'd love to see them.

Lucy Moon posted a little on her stories, or more accurately posted other peoples comments

[tinaoe]

I haven't had a chance to watch yet -- I actually love log YT videos, so I'm looking forward to it -- but I have been curious specifically about the response from other creators. Like, is this an experience that others have had and how well does Dan describe some of the challenges both of just being a creator and with YouTube specifically? If anyone has seen those sorts of responses, I'd love to see them. But here's something very short and sweet from Jack Howard that seems to indicate some creator solidarity:

Hank Green just replied to Dan’s tweet with an all caps “I like you so much” which is cute (& after lowkey clowning his TikTok manager for her reaction to the video yesterday lol) . The Green bros obviously have a very pretty different approach to YouTube videos (especially for vlogbrothers) but I always enjoy the two of them interacting with D&P in some way and I do think what Dan said about “the algorithm” and burn out will probably resonate across approaches and content styles

[000dia000]

something in the universe told me to check back on indepthbants for some reason tonight and call me pleasantly surprised by an update yet also alarmed - a world tour? doing what? talking? out of date bantering with millenial humour? maybe im a little cynical but will he draw the same number of people like they used to? that's enough of me being negative, i'll go WATCH the video...

In retrospect after watching, I don't care about the content, I just want to see this dude be happy

[kavat]

Aaaaand we've reached 1 million views in 21 hours. On a 1h 25m video. Boy still got it!

[nicky1388]

okay. i watched the whole thing.

first off, how does Dan do it? i am autistic and have ADD, yet i can sit through a video of his for an hour and a half.

second, i really enjoyed the first part of the video explaining youtube and the algorithm. i feel like some of the stuff was necessary to understand where Dan was coming from vs how youtubers today utilize youtube. It was really enlightening.

his video also made me understand why people like JacksGap and the Dolans essientially dissappeared. Granted, two different eras but still.

I am so heartbroken for him. He brought himself to the table 110% and yto gave him NOTHING. like, that was ridiculous.

Also, i cannot believe how stable his and Phil's relationship seems to be. They really have been through it all with each other. I know it was nonchalant but his comment about Phil not minding the sponserships and money grabs kinda gives a new perspective to some of Phil's conetent. Like, he was there being supportive and making sure they were in the black so that Dan could follow his dreams.

I don't expect a full blown comeback from dan but i expect sporadic postings. Love that he got himself a crew. Writing is his forte. Let the others help bring your vision to life.

Also, the hopeful flame in me for danandphil content. I think he misses it too and if he really does just wanna do his thing, maybe that will come back as well.

Okay, i am sorry my comment doesn't make sense.

Also, maybe i missed it but what health issues did Phil have?

[alittledizzy]

Also, maybe i missed it but what health issues did Phil have?

For the past year or so, Phil has been dealing with nausea, vertigo, and headaches - he's described them as so bad that he can't do anything but lay down sometimes. He has been seeing doctors and having scans but (at least as far as his last update to us) no one has been able to figure out exactly what's causing it.

[literally_formless]

I feel like all the "yeah, creators get screwed over all the time, it happens, it sucks, so what?" responses are a lot like the "we knew you were gay, so what?" responses Dan knew were going to happen with BIG. With all these big life realizations, it's the first time they're happening to you, the first time you have to come to terms with that in your own life. So yeah, the life of any kind of artist or creator is filled with rejection, he shouldn't have maybe been led down the garden path for 3 years, yes yes. But this is his way of telling us how he came to realize this, and what's coming next. Past me probably also would've received this jadedly. Now I just feel sad that everyone has to meet this moment on their own.


Also, to be a phillie for a second, how must it feel for 12 years to chug along and then have everything Dan does hit millions of views immediately and trend etc.? I really want to believe he does everything very deliberately, and knows he's not giving us every earthshaking scoop, so that gets you 250k views, not 3 million views. ::fingers crossed for his promised chaotic video to be pretty wild::

[parallel]

ok finally watched all that. christ i feel so bad for him. idek what to say. i wish him luck in future endeavours ofc. and i would've loved to see that show

[plinthofmylife]

Hank Green just replied to Dan’s tweet with an all caps “I like you so much” which is cute (& after lowkey clowning his TikTok manager for her reaction to the video yesterday lol)

I missed this because I've been staying off twitter this week due to !!!the state of us politics!! but this makes me so happy. Vlogbrothers might be the only other creators I've been consistently following as long as Phil, and I've worked with Hank Green on a few projects and he's just a genuinely good human. I was thinking about him when Dan was talking about the algorithms and the history of the platform.

A REALLY long time ago, Hank made a video about how all the ads on youtube were terrible low-value ads (this is like, 2007? maybe- all the ads were pretty much softcore porn and "buy gold" scams) and how YT was trying to get better quality content so they could attract better quality advertisers (car ads, etc). I still think about that video a ton when I think about the context of YT's balancing supporting creators with supporting advertisers (which in turn supports creators).

[flarequake]

I feel like all the "yeah, creators get screwed over all the time, it happens, it sucks, so what?" responses are a lot like the "we knew you were gay, so what?" responses Dan knew were going to happen with BIG. With all these big life realizations, it's the first time they're happening to you, the first time you have to come to terms with that in your own life. So yeah, the life of any kind of artist or creator is filled with rejection, he shouldn't have maybe been led down the garden path for 3 years, yes yes. But this is his way of telling us how he came to realize this, and what's coming next. Past me probably also would've received this jadedly. Now I just feel sad that everyone has to meet this moment on their own.


Also, to be a phillie for a second, how must it feel for 12 years to chug along and then have everything Dan does hit millions of views immediately and trend etc.? I really want to believe he does everything very deliberately, and knows he's not giving us every earthshaking scoop, so that gets you 250k views, not 3 million views. ::fingers crossed for his promised chaotic video to be pretty wild::

Hard agree with the first part of this. I’ve slowly worked on some stuff on and off as a hobby for a very long time, and if it came close to something, I’d be very upset to see it go like this. I’m glad he can still do perhaps the same things with other collaborators.

I think by now Phil is well used to Dan’s popularity. Maybe he does mind a bit, who knows really, but Phil does pretty well and Dan’s different style of sarcasm and being more open has made him relatable, which I’m sure we all know, I’m just guessing that’s why he’s been so popular. Phil is quirkier in a way, so maybe more niche for people who aren’t too proud to be less cool. I’m probably overdoing the description. It’s ironic too that Dan’s more sensitive and likely to be overwhelmed by it all.

[tinaoe]

Hank Green just replied to Dan’s tweet with an all caps “I like you so much” which is cute (& after lowkey clowning his TikTok manager for her reaction to the video yesterday lol)

I missed this because I've been staying off twitter this week due to !!!the state of us politics!! but this makes me so happy. Vlogbrothers might be the only other creators I've been consistently following as long as Phil, and I've worked with Hank Green on a few projects and he's just a genuinely good human. I was thinking about him when Dan was talking about the algorithms and the history of the platform.

Aww hearing another account that Hank is a nice dude in person is so good! IIRC I stumbled across the vlogbrothers and d&p literally the same week and they've both been such constants in my life now?? wild to think about. especially since they usually don't cross over much.

though funfact hank's tiktok manager (idk if she also does other social media by now??) payton is actually a long time d&p stan. way before she started working for hank, she was at a dear hank & john live and asked how she should lie about meeting her best friend via phandom/stan twitter when people in their real life ask how they met. and her friend asked about what to do when you get stuck with a cringy screenname so hank and john were discussing the screenname "philsthiccbooty" on stage lol

also hank now wants to "come over [to dan's] and drink boba and talk for six hours" and hank you should do taht

[anna_begins]

Sweet and encouraging comments on the video from PJ and Anthony.

I lol'd at Dan's reply to Anthony:

"i’m hiring you to be my ghost writer and hot stand-in no one will notice"

[kavat]

Also do we need someone to check in on Hank, maybe boba is actually too much for him

[plinthofmylife]

Also, to be a phillie for a second, how must it feel for 12 years to chug along and then have everything Dan does hit millions of views immediately and trend etc.? I really want to believe he does everything very deliberately, and knows he's not giving us every earthshaking scoop, so that gets you 250k views, not 3 million views. ::fingers crossed for his promised chaotic video to be pretty wild::

Definitely still thinking about the truthbombs where someone (?) said what phil would ask dan would be "how do I get more subscribers?"


I mean, Phil I think enjoys the business side of all of it, and he clearly does better than dan at that side - I mean, dan has 2 videos in 3 years and neither are monetized or sponsored? Phil doesn't have blockbuster immediate numbers, gets more total views over that same time period and more of them are monetized and sponsored. I think in the end, Dan's "quality threshold" matters more to him, and Phil is just happy he gets to make fun, weird stuff and make a good living at it. Maybe I'm projecting too much but I think it's not a race they're invested in. Dan has always been Phil Trash #1, and Phil is Dan Trash #1

[plinthofmylife]

Also do we need someone to check in on Hank, maybe boba is actually too much for him

Okay *slightly* off topic but remembering this ancient vlogbrothers video that demonstrates what hank is like on caffeine. I would love to see a convo between caffeinated hank and dan.

[alittledizzy]

[tinaoe]

Also do we need someone to check in on Hank, maybe boba is actually too much for him

it's also hank's birthday today, and i love that he's spending it tweeting at phil and harry styles

[Levitating]

I want to read all of your comments but in the meantime, quickly, I just wanted to say that I'm so happy he's decided to still keep making content

The change of music for the last chapter in his video was a wonderful choice; so many memories and such a fitting change of tone for the purpose of the announcement T_T

If his tour is a bit more mature in the topics he discusses (politics and stuff), then I am almost tempted for the first time in paying to see him, even alone.

[interruptfireworks]

woah. hi. i'm late to expressing my thoughts. i only watched the video once yesterday a few hours after it came out and it's currently only 8am for me so my mind's already rusty but i'll try.

first of all, i will say that dan's miscommunication over the past few years/his entire career really bothered me, and i mean reallyyyyyyy bothered me. this video? good explanation. very raw. the rawest emotions we've ever seen besides BIG which is GOOD, i wish we saw more of his real feelings and such, even on smaller, just everyday things. dan has a very guarded internet persona in the sense that he's stuck to the same few jokes/traits for a very long time and while other youtubers feel more 'real' to me, and i know that's dan's brand so it's ironic, dan feels like he's putting on a constant performance (all youtubers and public figures are, but his is very obvious to me? i don't know how to explain this i feel like i'm going in circles/rambling with no conclusion lmao). i feel like part of that comes from closeting and the whole mess that was phannie speculation affecting him so miscommunication/guarded persona can be part of that but at the same time it's probably also not. i'm not sure what i'm trying to get at here. i just hope dan is a little more open and communicative in the future, about anything and everything. i feel like being so open and explicit and outright about his thoughts could do him and everyone good.

when i got to the bit about him having to do all these favours for YTO and it reaching no success, no breath of fresh air, no whatever-you-want-to-call-it, my heart really sank. felt like a punch to the gut and i could really feel his pain. i honestly find it really brave of him to air all this out on the platform that treated him so disgustingly in the first place, hopefully that means they'll actually treat him rightfully in the future. can't believe he's actually still gonna do stuff on youtube though, if i was him i probably would've raised a middle finger and said goodbye forever so he's better than me.

SPEAKING OF YOUTUBE CHANNEL, i feel like no one's really talked about this. i find it so crazy that he's returning to it, i wonder when that will be. does anyone have any thoughts about what videos he will do? i think he briefly talked about it but at the same time it was sort of 'what if', 'maybe', 'possibly'. i'm guessing he'll do more ~professional~ videos in the contrapoints style but i wonder what topics he could possibly do those on. i'm so intrigued.

this is very long but thank god for the existence of online forums where talking in such longform is okay. more nuanced than twitter too.

[Catallena]

I posted the video on here yet I don't return to give thoughts until like 24 hours later. How on brand.

It honestly took me a few hours to get through the first 50 minutes. It's not bad, it just took way too long to get to the meaty parts. The history of Dan on YouTube is a nice way to start the story he wanted to tell and I understand why he went for that approach rather than some dramatic tea spill expose video, but it didn't need to be that looooong.

Neither did the imo generic critical analysis about being a YouTuber and the culture around it etc. which was absolutely relevant but has honestly been done to death. I realize that that's personal and it can be brand new information to others (especially those who haven't been wasting time on the platform since 2005), but I'm over YouTubers and other influencers who got their bag years ago lashing out and complaining about things when it no longer serves them. Though I guess that's mostly an annoyance aimed at actual influencers rather than most Creators. Still, paired with the link to buy tickets for Dan's new world tour, I was getting quite pessimistic about the whole thing.

God punishes immediately though, because after all that I didn't pause the video once and my opinion on the video and the whole situation turned around.

Dan got fucked hard by YouTube and not in the nice kinky way. Several of us suspected that YTO shutting down could affect whatever Dan was doing in some capacity, but the way he got strung along for almost three years is disgusting. How devastating it must've been for Dan to deal with this shit for so long. That there was a point where he really believed things were happening, where he was so close to his goals and making his dreams come true. He was willing to give up his integrity and savings to make it happen. Not to mention his dignity, rolling over like a dog for the corporate overlords who really just wanted a token gay man for their fake ass PR campaigns. tbh not all of his pitches sound like winners to me, but worse shit gets greenlit by network TV and streaming platforms all the time so why shouldn't Dan get a piece of the pie?

It was really eye opening how some ~mysterious~ things from the last few years that we always kept wondering about were brought up. I remember him being in LA. I remember the BBC writers camp thing. I remember when sitting at a table with a bunch of you at Vidcon London when Dan got spotted at that marathon event (i think it's the same one?). And he must've been working on this video, or some previous version of it, for ages as well. The little screenshot of trending videos? Dreamcatcher, which I'm a fan of, released that song and MV on July 30th 2021. On the screenshot it had been one day since upload.

As far as his tour goes... I wonder how it will sell and what kind of venues are picked. A lot of people have gone through like 5 others fandoms since Dan was last active, and won't be dedicated enough anymore to go see him. Kpop albums ain't cheap lol. As for me, it's early May which means I have been a phannie for 10 years now. Obviously I'm going if he comes here, because I'm in too deep. Kinda wanna go to London too.

Even if you're not particularly interested in Dan himself I really recommend watching at least that last half hour. Summaries don't do Dan's obvious anger and hurt justice, you gotta see and hear him talk about it.

I wish only good things for Dan from now on and I'm (still somewhat hesitantly) excited for the future.

[LAshleigh]

For the record I just rewatched TTLMT and I am only a little less confused by it than I was in 2018, anyone else?

[fruitcriminals]

I finally watched it! I need to watch it again when I am not exhausted as my new job is kicking my ass to a point I think they are maybe trying to actually kill me but aww he’s back and so happy he used youtuber Callux’s production company for it, Rvbberduck is great, glad he has some supportive youtube friends aside from Phil now.

No comments on the content, just happy he’s back in the zone of even making a video. It’s so funny how his and Phil’s audience are the same but also the exact opposite. Everyone will watch dan, love him, hate him, but I feel like Phil’s audience are less but really more only people who love him? if that makes sense.

Right back to work. I cry. I just want to go to bed!