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000dia000 wrote:I for one, don't really think that experience or outside experience really applies to deppy. (One of my pet peeves is seeing "well me and my friend act like that, and people think we're in a relationship but we're not. I look at my friend like that all the time.")
Sure, it is interesting getting an outsiders opinion, as we do have a tendency to over think and self doubt- but we self doubt for a reason. Not everybody has built up the context of information that we have. Nobody has built a rationale.

When I see someone say " I think they look gay" that says sweet fuck all. Particularly when I know people who would call some guy "gay" with reasoning as little as a funny haircut or introverted personality traits because it doesn't fit their idea of typical masculinity or masculine behaviour.

The fact is, deppy don't apply to the "rules" that other people are fitting to life, and one real life example from someone does not equate their current position, in the slightest.

I totally agree with this, sorry if it looked like I was doing this by giving my friend as an example. Example I HATE the people who say Dan and Phil look gay, are gay, Dans a bottom, ect. because they've made it pretty easy to get that they don't want labels and all the labels the phandom gives them is based on annoying stereotypes. I was only saying my friend's viewpoint was interested as someone who isn't that invested, not like "OMG my grandma saw them one time and assumed they're gay because she still has gender roles forced into her brain that Dan and Phil don't adhere to !!1!" Because those posts make me so mad.

No, I'm sorry, my post was a little harsh, reading back. I wasn't meaning to shade anyone, just my reaction to a lot of statements I've read over time regarding this.

secretagentphan wrote:

000dia000 wrote:I for one, don't really think that experience or outside experience really applies to deppy. (One of my pet peeves is seeing "well me and my friend act like that, and people think we're in a relationship but we're not. I look at my friend like that all the time.")
Sure, it is interesting getting an outsiders opinion, as we do have a tendency to over think and self doubt- but we self doubt for a reason. Not everybody has built up the context of information that we have. Nobody has built a rationale.

When I see someone say " I think they look gay" that says sweet fuck all. Particularly when I know people who would call some guy "gay" with reasoning as little as a funny haircut or introverted personality traits because it doesn't fit their idea of typical masculinity or masculine behaviour.

The fact is, deppy don't apply to the "rules" that other people are fitting to life, and one real life example from someone does not equate their current position, in the slightest.

I totally agree with this, sorry if it looked like I was doing this by giving my friend as an example. Example I HATE the people who say Dan and Phil look gay, are gay, Dans a bottom, ect. because they've made it pretty easy to get that they don't want labels and all the labels the phandom gives them is based on annoying stereotypes. I was only saying my friend's viewpoint was interested as someone who isn't that invested, not like "OMG my grandma saw them one time and assumed they're gay because she still has gender roles forced into her brain that Dan and Phil don't adhere to !!1!" Because those posts make me so mad.

Can't agree more with both of you. I just think it was interesting to have opinions of people who are not so invested. I'm perfectly aware that people just project their idea of society (including their idea of relationship, friendship, masculinity, romance, and so on) to interpret what they see. And as I said, I do act like Deppy with some of my friends and I would never consider dating them. But we are so used to overanalyse everything, it feels reassuring to have an outsider basically saying we are not crazy to read that kind of thing into this sometimes. It doesn't prove anything, it's more to tell ourselves we are not in too deep (yet).

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secretagentphan wrote:

000dia000 wrote:I for one, don't really think that experience or outside experience really applies to deppy. (One of my pet peeves is seeing "well me and my friend act like that, and people think we're in a relationship but we're not. I look at my friend like that all the time.")
Sure, it is interesting getting an outsiders opinion, as we do have a tendency to over think and self doubt- but we self doubt for a reason. Not everybody has built up the context of information that we have. Nobody has built a rationale.

When I see someone say " I think they look gay" that says sweet fuck all. Particularly when I know people who would call some guy "gay" with reasoning as little as a funny haircut or introverted personality traits because it doesn't fit their idea of typical masculinity or masculine behaviour.

The fact is, deppy don't apply to the "rules" that other people are fitting to life, and one real life example from someone does not equate their current position, in the slightest.

I totally agree with this, sorry if it looked like I was doing this by giving my friend as an example. Example I HATE the people who say Dan and Phil look gay, are gay, Dans a bottom, ect. because they've made it pretty easy to get that they don't want labels and all the labels the phandom gives them is based on annoying stereotypes. I was only saying my friend's viewpoint was interested as someone who isn't that invested, not like "OMG my grandma saw them one time and assumed they're gay because she still has gender roles forced into her brain that Dan and Phil don't adhere to !!1!" Because those posts make me so mad.

No, I'm sorry, my post was a little harsh, reading back. I wasn't meaning to shade anyone, just my reaction to a lot of statements I've read over time regarding this.

Don't worry about it! Like I said I agree with you I just wanted to clarify myself.

Subtle shade at deppy at around 4:24, tho if you wanna understand the points being made you should watch it from the beginning. I have to say that even though I love deppy there's some truth in what this youtuber is saying, and I admire this new "crude honesty" attitude some youtubers are adopting.
I just hope deppy start dropping their personas more this year, since I'm kinda tired of it (specially in regards to Phil's completely fake "cinnamon roll/angel bean" persona, which makes me cringe every time).

Live show in 30 mins!!

phanaconda wrote:Subtle shade at deppy at around 4:24, tho if you wanna understand the points being made you should watch it from the beginning. I have to say that even though I love deppy there's some truth in what this youtuber is saying, and I admire this new "crude honesty" attitude some youtubers are adopting.
I just hope deppy start dropping their personas more this year, since I'm kinda tired of it (specially in regards to Phil's completely fake "cinnamon roll/angel bean" persona, which makes me cringe every time).

It is an interesting video but I can't say I really agree with it either. The examples used - Pewdiepie, H3H3, Charlie Sheen- when did the opposite of forced positivity become hate speech?

Also, in regards to deppy- I don't think that they have ever been entirely "brand friendly" or inoffensive. It's true that Phil does like to be positive and some of that seems put on but most people describe him as an extremely nice individual so in his case I tend to think he is just exaggerating an actual personality trait- not straight up lying.

phanaconda wrote:Subtle shade at deppy at around 4:24, tho if you wanna understand the points being made you should watch it from the beginning. I have to say that even though I love deppy there's some truth in what this youtuber is saying, and I admire this new "crude honesty" attitude some youtubers are adopting.
I just hope deppy start dropping their personas more this year, since I'm kinda tired of it (specially in regards to Phil's completely fake "cinnamon roll/angel bean" persona, which makes me cringe every time).

Interesting video! However, it overlooks some aspects that I'd like to point out: first, some youtubers don't care so much about "faking happiness" but more about "not showing sadness". And this is a big difference. By showing sadness, fatigue or negative emotions in front of an audience, you make yourself very vulnerable. It's not only a question of views in my opinion, it's a question of feeling safe.

In the case of Deppy, I think both factors are to be considered. Being happy/positive/having bubbly personas is part of their brand after all, but they have also been very strict for a few years about separating public and private spheres. By avoiding showing themselves vulnerable in front of a camera, they ensure this separation is respected.

Plus, they (at least, I have a very clear memory of Dan saying it) have already specified that they are not exactly in their normal behaviour while filming, they are way more energetic for example.
I think liveshows are also there to show a more genuine aspect of them.

Amiaw wrote:

phanaconda wrote:Subtle shade at deppy at around 4:24, tho if you wanna understand the points being made you should watch it from the beginning. I have to say that even though I love deppy there's some truth in what this youtuber is saying, and I admire this new "crude honesty" attitude some youtubers are adopting.
I just hope deppy start dropping their personas more this year, since I'm kinda tired of it (specially in regards to Phil's completely fake "cinnamon roll/angel bean" persona, which makes me cringe every time).

It is an interesting video but I can't say I really agree with it either. The examples used - Pewdiepie, H3H3, Charlie Sheen- when did the opposite of forced positivity become hate speech?

Also, in regards to deppy- I don't think that they have ever been entirely "brand friendly" or inoffensive. It's true that Phil does like to be positive and some of that seems put on but most people describe him as an extremely nice individual so in his case I tend to think he is just exaggerating an actual personality trait- not straight up lying.

I also disagree because although they make a point, I do not think Dan and Phil are more "fake" than those examples. I don't like offending people if I can help it either, a lot of people dont. I know that's not totally what they meant, but those examples are yikes. Dan is still "inappropriate" they're just conscious that they have a lot of young people in their fan base, a lot of which are part of the LGBTQ community or POC so I think they're just trying to be good people.

I also think Dan and Phil get shit for their personas even though they're no worse than any other youtubers just because they're private people who don't exploit their private life. So that always slightly irks me when other youtubers claim to be more "real" and stuff.

I agree the Phil being an angel thing is but 1. He's totally moving away from that and 2. I legitimately think beyond his branding he's an incredibly nice person according to other youtubers so

So while they make a good point I can't totally get behind this video.

phanaconda wrote:Subtle shade at deppy at around 4:24, tho if you wanna understand the points being made you should watch it from the beginning. I have to say that even though I love deppy there's some truth in what this youtuber is saying, and I admire this new "crude honesty" attitude some youtubers are adopting.
I just hope deppy start dropping their personas more this year, since I'm kinda tired of it (specially in regards to Phil's completely fake "cinnamon roll/angel bean" persona, which makes me cringe every time).

great video, I don't think it was a direct stab at deppy, more so the entire youtuber community as a whole. while I personally think that Phil in particular is a positive sort of YouTuber, he isn't exactly blatant with his negative feelings either....sometimes I wonder with him in particular whether he has very strong opinions at all, or whether these are sort of opinions that are too personal for him and as a result he would rather keep private. Dan, on the other hand, is completley opposite to this, he is very open about his likes and dislikes (while Phil is wishy-washy with them). I don't know, why they are kind of hiding behidn their personas, I don't think the two are completley culpible in this.

I kind of like the idea of post-empirism, and it's something I try to aspire to myself on this forum and IRL, I also call bullshit on the whole "movement" of it it seems to be the next big fad hipsters will be doing, and for people to excuse themselves as shit reasoning behind their terrible personalities and terrible behavior. I do agree on Jimmy Fallon not exactly being genuine with his stance on Trump, one minute dissing him and the next his best friend, however I don't think using this example as an "umbrella example" for the entirity of YouTube is just, considering many people do not want the confrontation nor the attention that may be brought to their channel regarding anything political or in popular culture. You can have positivity while allowing complete honesty, they CAN overlap. However, I'm not going to be poking Phil with a stick, asking him to cry over something he rather he positive about. There are different personalities to everything, and with Pewdiepie and FilthyFrank and all these "edgy" YouTubers, they're more fake than the rest of them, just appealing to the masses who are dead inside and think they're cooler for liking something different.

I have some news about Dan and Phil's sims letsplay, for those who care; apparently toddlers were just added today to the game as a free patch, so not only we were able to observe them caring for a baby but we will also have opportunity in the next episode probably to see them manage potty training, learning talking walking and all that. Honestly I feel like they are wizards, so many vloggers ended their sims letsplays long ago but they just managed to get a baby just in time, although literally no one knew that update was even in the making

Sorry for the double post but I wanted to add a few things I forgot about the video.

First, I don't know about the Youtubers named in the video but I know some who use this demand of "rough authenticity" to gain more views by making indignation and negativity their brand. Criticizing for the sake of criticizing, calling themselves "not politically correct", you see how it goes. Negativity can be as manufactured as positivity (and this is a growing trend, not surprising anyway, it's how media tend to evolve).

Second, comparing Jimmy Fallon to youtubers? Really? TV people (or celebrities in "traditionnal medias") are way more immune to people's backlash. Youtubers have to face shitstorms first-hand. So sure, it is more difficult for them to be completely honest, knowing they are the ones who will pick up the pieces. Not to mention they are more dependent on their audience. There is a difference between not wanting to make your audience react badly and being completely hypocritical.

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sia wrote:I have some news about Dan and Phil's sims letsplay, for those who care; apparently toddlers were just added today to the game as a free patch, so not only we were able to observe them caring for a baby but we will also have opportunity in the next episode probably to see them manage potty training, learning talking walking and all that. Honestly I feel like they are wizards, so many vloggers ended their sims letsplays long ago but they just managed to get a baby just in time, although literally no one knew that update was even in the making

You just made me so happy . I did not know this yet, thanks!

And excited for Phil's new video that is related to the gas issue. Maybe it will be a story telling format? There might be some domestic Dan and Phil reenacting the situation in it .

secretagentphan wrote:

Amiaw wrote:

phanaconda wrote:Subtle shade at deppy at around 4:24, tho if you wanna understand the points being made you should watch it from the beginning. I have to say that even though I love deppy there's some truth in what this youtuber is saying, and I admire this new "crude honesty" attitude some youtubers are adopting.
I just hope deppy start dropping their personas more this year, since I'm kinda tired of it (specially in regards to Phil's completely fake "cinnamon roll/angel bean" persona, which makes me cringe every time).

It is an interesting video but I can't say I really agree with it either. The examples used - Pewdiepie, H3H3, Charlie Sheen- when did the opposite of forced positivity become hate speech?

Also, in regards to deppy- I don't think that they have ever been entirely "brand friendly" or inoffensive. It's true that Phil does like to be positive and some of that seems put on but most people describe him as an extremely nice individual so in his case I tend to think he is just exaggerating an actual personality trait- not straight up lying.

I also disagree because although they make a point, I do not think Dan and Phil are more "fake" than those examples. I don't like offending people if I can help it either, a lot of people dont. I know that's not totally what they meant, but those examples are yikes. Dan is still "inappropriate" they're just conscious that they have a lot of young people in their fan base, a lot of which are part of the LGBTQ community or POC so I think they're just trying to be good people.

I also think Dan and Phil get shit for their personas even though they're no worse than any other youtubers just because they're private people who don't exploit their private life. So that always slightly irks me when other youtubers claim to be more "real" and stuff.

I agree the Phil being an angel thing is but 1. He's totally moving away from that and 2. I legitimately think beyond his branding he's an incredibly nice person according to other youtubers so

So while they make a good point I can't totally get behind this video.

I will really defend Dan and Phil here. They were never the mean and crude Youtubers. They avoid drama at all cost so I really don't consider them as Youtubers faking happiness. We can say that Phil is doing the cringy bubbly man child. But lez be real DINOF and AP are personas. They are an exaggeration of their personality. The closest we can get to their real personality is in DAPG. Also, Phil is really a nice person. Onision always takes jab on Phil's look but even he admits that Phil IS a nice person.

If Pewds will talk about faking happiness he should tell that to his girlfriend first.

Liveshow!!! I miss Phil. I am so happy now.

BTW PHIL'S HAIRCUT IS UGLY!!! I love you, Phil. But can I kill your hairdresser? Or, get rid of that freaking fringe.

I really think he's just styling his hair to get a fringe. That fringe is so short. He's slowly erasing that 2009 hairstyle. If only he'll free his ginger hair...

CODENAME board game!! I like that game

Nah, miss me with that shit.

A lot of the YouTubers who are suddenly all about 'crude honesty' are just being negative offensive assholes for show. Their brands are literally build on people seeing them as ~real~ compared to the rest of YouTube, and their supposed 'honesty' and 'unbiased views' are excuses to get away with offensive shit. Trump was also ~real~ and ~saying it how it is~ and that got the wrinkly tangerine into the White House. God help us all.

I've noticed how some of those YouTubers used to be assholes back in the day, became less shitty in recent years and are now back in full swing because they finally found a way to continue on with what they were doing previously (I'm looking at you Philip DeFranco.. you've done the same shit Jimmy Fallon has and have really shown you ass since the election so fuck off.) In reality they're just as fake as the rest of YouTube. I like 'brutally honest' YouTubers when they're not just doing it to share their shitty opinions and they separate the persona from the real person, and not just offline. But fuck the assholes who spew some racist fuckery into the world, then say they're not actually racist and just stating 'facts' and that I should worry more about the other guy who is 2% more racist than them. Cry more tears about my oppressive political correctness, but not anywhere near me as I'm cutting back on salt.

phanaconda wrote:I just hope deppy start dropping their personas more this year, since I'm kinda tired of it (specially in regards to Phil's completely fake "cinnamon roll/angel bean" persona, which makes me cringe every time).

I'm out of the loop, but what are you talking about? Coming back to phandom, I only watched PINOF and Gamingmas, and old Phil is nowhere to be seen. Remember his video? The punchline in that part was basically him saying "Ummm, UMM, umm". That joke was possible because of the premise of him being innocent. I believe, he doesn't do anything like that anymore, because that premise is gone (had been let go of). Well, at least what it seems since November?

Catallena wrote:Nah, miss me with that shit.

A lot of the YouTubers who are suddenly all about 'crude honesty' are just being negative offensive assholes for show. Their brands are literally build on people seeing them as ~real~ compared to the rest of YouTube, and their supposed 'honesty' and 'unbiased views' are excuses to get away with offensive shit. Trump was also ~real~ and ~saying it how it is~ and that got the wrinkly tangerine into the White House. God help us all.

I've noticed how some of those YouTubers used to be assholes back in the day, became less shitty in recent years and are now back in full swing because they finally found a way to continue on with what they were doing previously (I'm looking at you Philip DeFranco.. you've done the same shit Jimmy Fallon has and have really shown you ass since the election so fuck off.) In reality they're just as fake as the rest of YouTube. I like 'brutally honest' YouTubers when they're not just doing it to share their shitty opinions and they separate the persona from the real person, and not just offline. But fuck the assholes who spew some racist fuckery into the world, then say they're not actually racist and just stating 'facts' and that I should worry more about the other guy who is 2% more racist than them. Cry more tears about my oppressive political correctness, but not anywhere near me as I'm cutting back on salt.

I'm agreeing so much I'm crying.

I really loved Phil in that LS. He felt so chipper and warm.
"Cause' everyone knows I love food scented objects."
The dream talk was super interesting to me, maybe Phils subconscious is still salty about Dan abandoning him with the gas men. jk.

Okay first of all Phil mentioning Manchester by the sea KILLED me because if he sees it HE'S IN FOR A SURPRISE (but it was my favorite movie of the year) (also Manchester in Massachusetts is my hometown so I guess I'm twinzies with Deppy in a way lol)

Also I'm hoping for AGES of analysis on Phil and Dan's mom's weird dream because I found it funny that he kept the description purposely vague like every time he was going to say something he'd go "it was one of those stupid dreams!" Idk it's not surprising they're in each other's dreams since they're attached at the hip but Phil being psychically connected to Dan's mom is interesting...

WE INTERRUPT EVERYTHING FOR THIS IMPORTANT UPDATE!

The sims has just added in toddlers for free! Dab will go through a toddler stage. I secretly want to believe the sims team added it just because they want DnP to have to deal with it. I'm excited

https://simsvip.com/2017/01/12/watch-li ... ve-stream/

I really enjoyed this live show. Missed Phil.

Excited for today’s vid.

I’m all here for Phil wanting to do a creative project. Like I’m so excited for this.

Phil and Dan’s mom kind of having the same dream was weirdly cute.
Also pretty funny that Dan’s mom has dreams that include Phil, like even her subconscious can’t separate them.

was nice to see phil after what seems like forever that fringe is slowly getting shorter... (just push it back. release the quiff)

also i noticed that in dans liveshow he talked about phil/used 'we' alot/mentioned phils name and in phils he didn't, alot of 'i did' etc, idk what point im making just thought it was interesting

can't wait for new video!! unexpected surprise

000dia000 wrote:When I see someone say " I think they look gay" that says sweet fuck all. Particularly when I know people who would call some guy "gay" with reasoning as little as a funny haircut or introverted personality traits because it doesn't fit their idea of typical masculinity or masculine behaviour.

The fact is, deppy don't apply to the "rules" that other people are fitting to life, and one real life example from someone does not equate their current position, in the slightest.

Perfect. I joined the phandom in 2012 or 2013 and I started out convinced they were together but then I changed my mind. I'm on the fence now but I tend to think they're not together. But looking back the things that made me think they were together were all based on my own stereotypical views of relationships, friendships, sexualities and gender roles that I distanced myself from now. I'm not saying everyone who ships them does so because of stereotypes but that's what it came down to for me. That's why I'm convinced everything is possible at the moment - until they give us a clear answer. So never.

secretagentphan wrote:I also disagree because although they make a point, I do not think Dan and Phil are more "fake" than those examples. I don't like offending people if I can help it either, a lot of people dont. I know that's not totally what they meant, but those examples are yikes. Dan is still "inappropriate" they're just conscious that they have a lot of young people in their fan base, a lot of which are part of the LGBTQ community or POC so I think they're just trying to be good people.

Agreed. It always baffles me when people seem to think not being offensive is some kind of forced positivity or forced "political correctness". Some people just like to avoid hurting others, especially marginalised groups. There's nothing wrong with that. Dan still has some dark humour moments, he just does it without offending/hurting others which is possible (this might be news to the likes of Pewdiepie and Shane Dawson). I will never understand why so many people perceive being rude and offensive as edgy and more real than someone like Phil, who just happens to have a very sweet personality. Maybe people just like having their negativity and hate speech validated so they don't have to put effort into changing their behaviour. "Look, XY says being offensive is okay so I can be offensive too, he's so real!"

Birdie wrote: Maybe people just like having their negativity and hate speech validated so they don't have to put effort into changing their behaviour. "Look, XY says being offensive is okay so I can be offensive too, he's so real!"

I think this is a big factor, yeah. There are a lot of people who think being "honest" or "real" means being an insensitive asshole, too.