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idk wrote: For some reason I've been getting a view count on both videos when they appear in my what to watch feed on yt. The counts don't appear on the videos when I click on them nor do they appear when I click on their channels so idek what's going on there.

I see them as:

Doco: 233,899
Tatinof video: 435,110

So pretty close to those.

Not sure how reliable it is but they're pretty much the same - i'd say they're doing quite well

Oh! It doesn't show for me, I don't know why. But thanks for sharing. And yes, for it to be paid content they are doing well.

eevee wrote:

Bassoonage wrote:It was just a thought. I mean if they were to date they'd want to do it privately and I think using the app is more of a privacy thing. If you hook up with a rando then they could tell anyone. But these celebrity dating apps have strict rules and a screening period where you have to be approved to be able to use it.

I'm not trying to play devil's advocate. I'm just saying that it would be an arguing point that they couldn't be dating other people or have been chaste for the last few years. I mean lots of people go on dating apps just to hook up. This could just be a way of doing that and knowing that the other person wouldn't let the cat out of the bag.

Does everyone who signs up sign some kind of non-disclosure agreement? Just because they're a celebrity doesn't mean they won't leak it...although Dan and Phil aren't exactly conventional celebrities, so a celebrity would have no motivation to leak anything to the press because the press probably wouldn't want the story. lol. But anyway I'm just wondering I mean do they sign a secrecy pact?

Apparently you can sign up and say who referred you and if there isn't a user using the app with their Instagram name, then they don't have an account on raya. Someone should try signing up and getting to the part with the referral and then put danisnotonfire and see if it says that user doesn't exist??

eevee wrote:

Bassoonage wrote:It was just a thought. I mean if they were to date they'd want to do it privately and I think using the app is more of a privacy thing. If you hook up with a rando then they could tell anyone. But these celebrity dating apps have strict rules and a screening period where you have to be approved to be able to use it.

I'm not trying to play devil's advocate. I'm just saying that it would be an arguing point that they couldn't be dating other people or have been chaste for the last few years. I mean lots of people go on dating apps just to hook up. This could just be a way of doing that and knowing that the other person wouldn't let the cat out of the bag.

Does everyone who signs up sign some kind of non-disclosure agreement? Just because they're a celebrity doesn't mean they won't leak it...although Dan and Phil aren't exactly conventional celebrities, so a celebrity would have no motivation to leak anything to the press because the press probably wouldn't want the story. lol. But anyway I'm just wondering I mean do they sign a secrecy pact?

You don't necessarily have to be a celebrity. These apps are geared towards people like photographers, talent agents, musicians, business owners, or anyone that people might use for sex or let others know that person is hooking up. Like if someone is on tinder, another person can just screen shot your profile and use that to get ahead or gain more influence because of a following that person has. Essentially blackmail or something.

Also they do sign confidentiality agreements. And if you screen shot someone's profile you get kicked out of the app. There's like a membership fee and everything. I just started looking into them because I saw an article and Amy Schumer says she met her bf on Raya.

eevee wrote:

BisexualShoeMarriage wrote: In 2012-13, the reader was presumed to want to fuck Dan. Now, the reader is presumed to want to be Dan.

I'm LIVING for this graph and this analysis!!! However I'd like to give you my 2 cents. When I was in the phandom in 2012, I was a dan tops fan, but I still feel like it was hard to find dan tops fanfiction, as most of the stuff I stumbled upon seemed to be Phil tops fanfiction. I didn't know AO3 existed at that point, so it was all exclusively tumblr. Not sure how many other phandom members knew AO3 or used it but idk, it just seemed like it wasn't what people used, although now most tumblr fics have AO3 links as well. So yeah...interesting though that most of the early AO3 fics had dan topping, maybe the dan top fans (except me) took refuge in AO3 and formed a little community to get away from the phil tops stans......where was my invitation??

That is a really interesting addition to the question here, what popular ideas trended within specific groups of people and how that influenced the amount of fic with those concepts.

Even right now I can see shades of that in other tropes - like, there's way more of the punk/pastel on tumblr than ao3. Some of it shows up on ao3 but most of it that I see is just on tumblr. Is it that certain groups of people are more observant about certain behaviors, or just that within certain groups someone sees something they like written by one person and tries to replicate it and they all just feed off of each other?

Would the top/bottom question even apply to that? I compared it to tropes, but I'm not sure it is a trope.

danslefthand wrote: Apparently you can sign up and say who referred you and if there isn't a user using the app with their Instagram name, then they don't have an account on raya. Someone should try signing up and getting to the part with the referral and then put danisnotonfire and see if it says that user doesn't exist??

I doubt he would use his youtube username or real name though (?) (worth a chance if anyone has free time to check)

Ok, I know everyone has moved past this, but it bothers me so I am going to re-post it. Sorry it took so long, I had to calm down after being annoyed at being told I was wrong when I posted a darn screenshot with proof I was right. (and go shopping, but whatever)

The line after "we never would have met" from the tatinof song is not "there is not a thing that I regret". Its a sweet thought, but that is not the lyric. I understand now that I messed up because I tried to use one screenshot for two purposes, and everyone just saw the girl and not the lyric. Here is a new screenshot from a nano second later. The girl is not in it, and I circled the lyric in case looking at phil is too distracting.



In case you are on mobile or cant load the picture, the line (I used the CC on the actual tatinof show) is
"We'd never be here on a stage, doing things we might regret"

I understand that over the lst year the only recording we had of this song was this scream filled mobile phone rendition https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzY5Sgt3mUM , where we were guessing the lyrics and got them wrong. Now we have a lovely crystal clear recording, so time to learn the correct words please.

I do not mean to take away from the sentiment of the song. I think the line, while different, means sorta the same thing. Clearly, the fact that they met and now lead these wonderful lives is something they are grateful for and do not regret. That feeling is implied however, not the actual lyric. Which is the way DnP like to do things. They imply their love, rather than spell it out for us.

End rant. Sorry, but that song is my new bible. It means a lot to me. I want to do a line by line interpretation of it and all it means to them and to me. I won't lol.

Artdefines06 wrote:I want to do a line by line interpretation of it and all it means to them and to me. I won't lol.

Wait no please do this, this is a thing I am interested in seeing.

alittledizzy wrote:

eevee wrote:

BisexualShoeMarriage wrote: In 2012-13, the reader was presumed to want to fuck Dan. Now, the reader is presumed to want to be Dan.

I'm LIVING for this graph and this analysis!!! However I'd like to give you my 2 cents. When I was in the phandom in 2012, I was a dan tops fan, but I still feel like it was hard to find dan tops fanfiction, as most of the stuff I stumbled upon seemed to be Phil tops fanfiction. I didn't know AO3 existed at that point, so it was all exclusively tumblr. Not sure how many other phandom members knew AO3 or used it but idk, it just seemed like it wasn't what people used, although now most tumblr fics have AO3 links as well. So yeah...interesting though that most of the early AO3 fics had dan topping, maybe the dan top fans (except me) took refuge in AO3 and formed a little community to get away from the phil tops stans......where was my invitation??

That is a really interesting addition to the question here, what popular ideas trended within specific groups of people and how that influenced the amount of fic with those concepts.

Even right now I can see shades of that in other tropes - like, there's way more of the punk/pastel on tumblr than ao3. Some of it shows up on ao3 but most of it that I see is just on tumblr. Is it that certain groups of people are more observant about certain behaviors, or just that within certain groups someone sees something they like written by one person and tries to replicate it and they all just feed off of each other?

Would the top/bottom question even apply to that? I compared it to tropes, but I'm not sure it is a trope.

Tumblr is notorious for copying stuff and turning it into a thing tbh. Punk/pastel, flower crowns, aesthetics, moodboards, color palettes, sticking text posts that could relate to a fandom or character onto a screencap... someone started it for their own amusement and then Tumblr drives that shit straight into the ground by overusing it. Fun for a few days, then really annoying and unoriginal. But nobody will let it die until the next thing comes along.

biatchqueen wrote:Ps if anyone can tell me how Phil did that bowling ball trick I'd appreciate it!

JoeAverage wrote:

danslefthand wrote: Apparently you can sign up and say who referred you and if there isn't a user using the app with their Instagram name, then they don't have an account on raya. Someone should try signing up and getting to the part with the referral and then put danisnotonfire and see if it says that user doesn't exist??

I doubt he would use his youtube username or real name though (?) (worth a chance if anyone has free time to check)

You have to sign up with Instagram and you have to have a certain amount of followers apparently

danslefthand wrote:

JoeAverage wrote:

danslefthand wrote: Apparently you can sign up and say who referred you and if there isn't a user using the app with their Instagram name, then they don't have an account on raya. Someone should try signing up and getting to the part with the referral and then put danisnotonfire and see if it says that user doesn't exist??

I doubt he would use his youtube username or real name though (?) (worth a chance if anyone has free time to check)

You have to sign up with Instagram and you have to have a certain amount of followers apparently

yeah yeah, can we stoped even thinking about doing this.

JoeAverage wrote:we need a heart eyes howel emoji

I'm so late, but this came to mind when you said this and I couldn't resist.

danslefthand wrote:

JoeAverage wrote:

danslefthand wrote: Apparently you can sign up and say who referred you and if there isn't a user using the app with their Instagram name, then they don't have an account on raya. Someone should try signing up and getting to the part with the referral and then put danisnotonfire and see if it says that user doesn't exist??

I doubt he would use his youtube username or real name though (?) (worth a chance if anyone has free time to check)

You have to sign up with Instagram and you have to have a certain amount of followers apparently

Just for the hell of it, I tried it by typing in fake info and... it doesn't tell you if the user is on the app or not! You can type them in as referrals but nothing says "user doesn't exist". I tried Using my other ig account and a few other famous peoples ig and it let it go though.
If the app kicks you off for even screenshoting someone's page, did you really think it would let you see who's on the app before getting though the first application??
Let's be real, we'll never actually find out if they are on there anyways. Specially if you have to have a certain number of followers. And even still their personal life's are none of our business really. I only tried it out since I knew that most likely wouldn't have worked anyways.

random phil video reference by dan, idk this makes me really happy

Philena wrote:Guys, I don't care how they "label" their relationship. There is no one else.

+1

apathy wrote:

JoeAverage wrote:we need a heart eyes howel emoji

I'm so late, but this came to mind when you said this and I couldn't resist.

awww thats so cute, and just what i need (even the fringe is in the right side) thank u.

alittledizzy wrote:

Artdefines06 wrote:I want to do a line by line interpretation of it and all it means to them and to me. I won't lol.

Wait no please do this, this is a thing I am interested in seeing.

Seconded

On the existential crisis scene: Phil reassures and comforts Dan whenever he's upset

alittledizzy wrote:

danslefthand wrote:any chance any of the tatinof crew are dating d or p?

Yeah I hate to admit it but I think Dan and that head merch guy might have something going on? I've been harboring this suspicion for a while but they're just around each other so much. I'm pretty sure he was at the museum with Dan the other day when Dan posted that selfie, and after stalking their twitters they've been hanging out lowkey for years tbh.

for some reason it took me a second to comprehend this and then i realized you were literallY talking about martyn and now im

It's taken me three hours to catch up on this thread since last night wtf calm down guys.

Thoughts on the twitter party: I wasn't hyped, I had a lecture when it was scheduled to end so I didn't intend to even take part/follow it, but I woke up at 7am (when it started), so I followed all the tweets without watching the show (I've watched it 5 times already anyway I feel like I don't need to anymore). It was p good - the tweets during the show were better than those during the doc (apart from Phil's one about crying because ), it was nice to see some more bts/trivia-y things, though I could have done with them ing the whole #busgate thing again because I'm sick of it at this point

I have no opinion on the top/bottom thing, but I did enjoy the graph

And I'm kind of uncomfortable about the discussion of them using dating apps etc? IDK I feel like there's a reason they keep their private lives private so it's kind of rude/entitled of us to pry. IDK I'll be quiet.

I just found this - the sound from the missing fanfic scenes. I don't know if anyone already posted it or not. OMG its sooo much worse than I remember, I knew it was scandalous and shippier than the cowboy scenes, but man I forgot how bad it was - almost crossing a line lol. I dont think the fics I've read were even this kinky. If I was them I wouldn't post it lol.

https://soundcloud.com/eavans/cake-is-wild

Reacting to the last ten pages:
- showers and beds and bunks, oh my! the end.
- real person pwp, my eyes...need drarry to cleanse them.
- s/o's and lies and hiding, oh my! there will be no end, forevermore bringing me down.
- Great graphs BiSexualShoeMarriage, trends in fanfic have interested me for years. (also, I think I've been online for too many years).
- (fyi) don't try sex in a sauna unless that sauna is off, the air you breathe is heavy and moist, making anything strenuous even more so, and with the amount of sweat everywhere, someone's going to fall off and hurt themselves.
- tumblr. sigh. 1- not the same pic. 2- very telling that the emphasis is on "he didn't notice me", entitlement within the phandom, how rare.
- deppy on dating apps. (just inserting a comment that it would be a major fail for an exclusive dating app if you could find out their client list two steps into registering) but otherwise something to consider. Maybe they're dating eachother online.

Artdefines06 wrote:I just found this - the sound from the missing fanfic scenes. I don't know if anyone already posted it or not. OMG its sooo much worse than I remember, I knew it was scandalous and shippier than the cowboy scenes, but man I forgot how bad it was - almost crossing a line lol. I dont think the fics I've read were even this kinky. If I was them I wouldn't post it lol.

https://soundcloud.com/eavans/cake-is-wild

Artdefines06 wrote:I just found this - the sound from the missing fanfic scenes. I don't know if anyone already posted it or not. OMG its sooo much worse than I remember, I knew it was scandalous and shippier than the cowboy scenes, but man I forgot how bad it was - almost crossing a line lol. I dont think the fics I've read were even this kinky. If I was them I wouldn't post it lol.

https://soundcloud.com/eavans/cake-is-wild

thank you for posting this bc the curiosity of the cake option had me wondering what the hell it was.

but oh my god... i agree this should not be posted anywhere lol. they obviously plan on posting it because they took the time to film it and dan has been not casually hinting at showing it. where would they even post it though?

Artdefines06 wrote:I just found this - the sound from the missing fanfic scenes. I don't know if anyone already posted it or not. OMG its sooo much worse than I remember, I knew it was scandalous and shippier than the cowboy scenes, but man I forgot how bad it was - almost crossing a line lol. I dont think the fics I've read were even this kinky. If I was them I wouldn't post it lol.

https://soundcloud.com/eavans/cake-is-wild

quoted from the op :
"this part was really cute actually :") just to clarify at this point the scene had finished filming and dan had stood up to a fuck ton of crumbs falling off him and bullshit amount of chocolate frosting had smeared his face and... i do not blame him. phil was way more forceful then i think any of us (dan included) expected. truly a sight to be seen and i wish there was footage of it online."

i have no words.