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Lurktacularr wrote:GUYS. Guys. Guys.

Its happened. My phan goggles are back.

The live-tweeting worked and I watched the TATINOF show (yes - I was that pissed after the doc I didn't watch it - I didn't explicitly say that cos I knew I'd be lynched). It was kind of a cringe-fest but I still loved it.

So I've just been rewatching some of my favourite Deppy videos and it struck me that we may not know for sure the exact details of their relationship, but we know what type of people they are. We also know how self-aware and aware of their audience's reactions/perceptions they are.

As a result of those two things I just can't see that two good-natured people, who are self-aware enough to know how their actions will be interpreted, would do something like tease at a relationship they know their viewers have been heavily invested in for 7 years if there weren't a real relationship underneath it. That would be so cold which is why I've been salty cos that's what I was thinking was happening, but taking a step back really does aid perspective.

Fuck busgate. Fuck bedgate. I'm looking at the bigger picture now instead. And I'm much happier for it.

edit - Artdefines06 that's the line after buddy

edit 2 - BisexualShoeMarriage v interesting insight, particularly the end (which rings very true - Dan is more 'one of us' to the fangirls now I think, rather than someone to lust after, which may speak volumes to the progression of his expression of sexuality over the years)

BisexualShoeMarriage wrote:I don’t give a shit what they actually do in their actual lives (if anything at all), but I am interested in perception, and trends in perception over time.

In 2012-13, the reader was presumed to want to fuck Dan. Now, the reader is presumed to want to be Dan.

Artdefines06 wrote:

SquishPhan wrote:

karma_yeah wrote:Did you guys catch this tweet from Dan:




The lines in that part of the song are:

Without the internet,
We never would have met.
And there is not a thing that I regret!

cuteness

I don't really think there's room in that relationship for another SO. Two's company, three's a crowd

Very sweet, and obviously a crowd pleaser.

Agreed, there is no room for another in their lives.

Except that's not the line...at least, not in the official version. That is what we thought it was when we were trying to hear it over the screaming lol



Also, I found the girl with the black top in the twitter feed and stalked her profile. She annoyed me exactly as much as I thought she would lol. Not that shes a bad person or anything (I actually enjoyed her political rants) but something about the fangirling just rubs me the wrong way. Its why I'm here and not any other places lol.

BisexualShoeMarriage wrote:
While reading the early fic, I noticed that the focus of it was different from the focus of smut written more recently. In smut from 2015-16, the focus tends to be on the receptive partner, and their pleasure. Phanfiction, generally, is often written by a female author, for the enjoyment of a presumably female reader. The reader is supposed to identify with the receptive partner, and that was also the case in the early phanfiction, but in that case the receptive partner was Phil. Rather than the focus being on Phil’s pleasure, as it often is in recent fic, it was focused on the privilege of him getting to have sex with Dan. Whether the fic was Established Relationship or Friends-to-lovers, the Phil character was insecure, and astonished to be blessed with Dan’s affections. The focus was on how attractive Dan was, and how lucky Phil was to get to have sex with him.

In 2012-13, the reader was presumed to want to fuck Dan. Now, the reader is presumed to want to be Dan.

eevee wrote:When is The Internet Is Here coming to iTunes because it's very catchy and won't leave my head and I don't want to have to play the tatinof show every time I wanna listen to it #salty

BisexualShoeMarriage wrote:

JoeAverage wrote:Its does make me wonder where this whole Phil!tops debacle thing started? because i was somewhat in the phandom many years ago, I left it and then came back barely last year and a lot had changed, also yeah I do feel the same, i wish we could have more top!dan action. Just cos he's a diva doesnt mean he cant exude manliness when he wants to sorry its 5am here im normally less trashy i swear

Same. I don’t give a shit what they actually do in their actual lives (if anything at all), but I am interested in perception, and trends in perception over time. So, like the nerd I am, I made a graph. (of only fic rated E on Ao3. I’m aware that other sites exist, but Ao3 is a site I’m familiar with and gives me a limited sample size) Currently it’s only complete up to early October 2014, but it captures the fact that at the start of the Ao3 Dan Howell/Phil Lester tag, the first three pieces of smut still there, from late 2012 and early 2013, were all top Dan. It wasn’t until late March 2013 that the first surviving example of top Phil was uploaded to the site.

So, um, whatever it is that makes people think that Phil tops

I agree with Dizzy

alittledizzy wrote:Bottoming: I write Dan primarily bottoming (but with occasional switching) for a lot of reasons that involve way more than stereotypes. First and foremost: Dan references himself in receptive terminology when talking about men. "Enter me, Troye," the bottom tweet, 'fuck my butt,' the Evan Peters lobster tweet that couldn't be anything but Dan talking about Evan fingering him with the lobster hand, constantly presenting and actually calling it that. There's probably more but I'm writing this without putting proper research in so those are just what I found with a quick search.

When I'm writing I'm trying to draw based on patterns of behavior I've seen on them. One mention is a joke, multiple ones are a pattern of thought that clearly sticks in Dan's mind for a reason. Dan does not seem embarrassed by an association with bottoming or being receptive, he seems proud of it. That doesn't mean Phil never bottoms or doesn't enjoy it, but he's not out there trying to associate it with his public presence (even using humor) the way Dan (not at all) subtly does.

wasn’t there in late 2012, or was overshadowed by something people saw then which is now overlooked. Perhaps that factor was changes in their personas. Dan was more (I’m not sure “aggressive” is the right word, but I can’t find a better one) in his youtube content back then, and Phil was even less sexual than he seems now. Maybe people back then saw Phil as too sweet and innocent to be a top, while Dan seemed to have a more dominant personality (not that topping has to be a dominating act, but we’re talking about fanfiction here).

While reading the early fic, I noticed that the focus of it was different from the focus of smut written more recently. In smut from 2015-16, the focus tends to be on the receptive partner, and their pleasure. Phanfiction, generally, is often written by a female author, for the enjoyment of a presumably female reader. The reader is supposed to identify with the receptive partner, and that was also the case in the early phanfiction, but in that case the receptive partner was Phil. Rather than the focus being on Phil’s pleasure, as it often is in recent fic, it was focused on the privilege of him getting to have sex with Dan. Whether the fic was Established Relationship or Friends-to-lovers, the Phil character was insecure, and astonished to be blessed with Dan’s affections. The focus was on how attractive Dan was, and how lucky Phil was to get to have sex with him.

In 2012-13, the reader was presumed to want to fuck Dan. Now, the reader is presumed to want to be Dan.

Philena wrote:Guys, I don't care how they "label" their relationship. There is no one else.

Catallena wrote: one day they'll look up from their laptops and realize 'Oh it's always been you'

This would mean another 10 years of torture for all of us though.

Catallena wrote:

Philena wrote:Guys, I don't care how they "label" their relationship. There is no one else.

Amen. Though I label them 'life partners' in my head, it's the most appropriate based on our knowledge imo.

My friend and I like speculating that they may not really be together rn, but that in 10 they still haven't moved apart (just to a different place hopefully lol) and their lives are still as intertwined as ever so one day they'll look up from their laptops and realize 'Oh it's always been you'

Catallena wrote: My friend and I like speculating that they may not really be together rn, but that in 10 they still haven't moved apart (just to a different place hopefully lol) and their lives are still as intertwined as ever so one day they'll look up from their laptops and realize 'Oh it's always been you'

This would mean another 10 years of torture for all of us though.

violet-writer wrote:

Catallena wrote: My friend and I like speculating that they may not really be together rn, but that in 10 they still haven't moved apart (just to a different place hopefully lol) and their lives are still as intertwined as ever so one day they'll look up from their laptops and realize 'Oh it's always been you'

This would mean another 10 years of torture for all of us though.

that is.. kind of exactly what i think their situation is/will be.

Catallena wrote:

Philena wrote:Guys, I don't care how they "label" their relationship. There is no one else.

Amen. Though I label them 'life partners' in my head, it's the most appropriate based on our knowledge imo.

spaceguitar wrote: In other news: there is some drama on tumblr bc Dan 'stole' this user's post:
http://darkphannie.tumblr.com/post/1515 ... o-im-sorry

fakelights wrote:
Now, I'm curious and the fact that the YTRed videos don't show the quantity of views the videos are getting made me search for something. I went to Socialblade and there it shows the views for both videos.
The doc on Phil's channel: http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/amazingphil/videos
228.3K
Tatinof on Dan's channel: http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/dan ... ire/videos
429.8K

So... Is that reliable? Or it shows both the full video views + the preview before you buy it?

taetaewl wrote:sigh... I guess he never thought his fans would get butt hurt over something as minor as this.
It's hard to even write a sentence without crediting someone now a days, I thought danyul would have learnt this by now but I guess not. It's hardly even stolen lol

Bassoonage wrote:I know some of you guys were discussing sex clubs or something earlier, but isn't it highly possible they could both use celebrity dating apps like Raya? They go off of your social media presence and you have to have like high def photos. All of which have. I always assumed they used those. Tons of celebs use Raya and haven't been spotted with people, though they have confirmed meeting people on there. Cara Delavigne uses it, as well as Elijah Wood and Joe Jonas. Amy Schumer also met her bf on there.

Just a thought.....

majitzu wrote:can't make a toast without tumblr saying you are problematic




do you really think D&P feel the need to use datting apps?

majitzu wrote:



do you really think D&P feel the need to use datting apps?

Bassoonage wrote:It was just a thought. I mean if they were to date they'd want to do it privately and I think using the app is more of a privacy thing. If you hook up with a rando then they could tell anyone. But these celebrity dating apps have strict rules and a screening period where you have to be approved to be able to use it.

I'm not trying to play devil's advocate. I'm just saying that it would be an arguing point that they couldn't be dating other people or have been chaste for the last few years. I mean lots of people go on dating apps just to hook up. This could just be a way of doing that and knowing that the other person wouldn't let the cat out of the bag.