Dan & Phil Part 21: Say Howdy to InDepthBants

[annetamiau]

About phil's location during the Skype call: I'm like 99% sure he was at his parents'. During a few seconds we can see what looks like a white/light pillow in the background. It doesn't match any of the pillows they usualy have on the gaming sofa but it does match the ones that were on the bed in the short YNow he tried to do at his parents'.

Also, I don't really understand the train tweet from yesterday (or the day before yesterday, I can't remember). If Phil was at his parents', wouldn't a flight have been the best option to go back to London?

[phamnotof]

re: phil's train tweet - they schedule their tweets in advance, don't they? it wouldn't surprise me at all of that particular story was from the way to his parents', saved for a while until useful. Most people don't pay attention to their schedules enough to be weirded out that he was taking a train at that moment.

re: IG & money - I like "everyone is happy" deals. Idk if Dan's was a spon deal exactly or if it was just not wanting to get another social media he'd have to take care of (remember his vine?) even after it died, but either way, the stories were fun, I was pleased, if he gets some cash outta it, also good in my books.

[bluntedclaws]

Re the trains: My personal theory is that they went together either to Manchester to visit friends or to Reading to visit Dan's family. Hence why Phil wasn't around on Sunday for a live show and why they were both media silent for a couple of days. Then on Monday Phil got a train from Machester/Reading to Iom and Dan went back to London. That's when Dan started falling to pieces, breaking stuff, chatting on social media because he's lonely, and whining at Phil on skype about how much he misses him. You know, the usual "Dan is all alone" behaviour.
I know postponing the Tuesday live show dousn't fit very well into my theory but...

[Ticia]

Re the trains: My personal theory is that they went together either to Manchester to visit friends or to Reading to visit Dan's family. Hence why Phil wasn't around on Sunday for a live show and why they were both media silent for a couple of days. Then on Monday Phil got a train from Machester/Reading to Iom and Dan went back to London. That's when Dan started falling to pieces, breaking stuff, chatting on social media because he's lonely, and whining at Phil on skype about how much he misses him. You know, the usual "Dan is all alone" behaviour.
I know postponing the Tuesday live show dousn't fit very well into my theory but...

It fits if you bear in mind they were skypping and Dan didn't actually go to sleep on his last not-snapchat (he still wore his t-shirt)

[danisnotonphil]

Don't you guys ever tire of underestimating Dan? He doesn't "fall to pieces" whenever Phil isn't around, he's a 25 years old man ffs. It'd be interesting to see people not trying to present them as being in such an unhealthy relationship, be it friendship or whatever, like stop romanticizing codependency, please. He wasn't whining on Skype (if it was Skype at all) about how much he misses Phil, his "why aren't you here with me" comment was to give context to his ig story and it's clear from Phil's answer, why is Dan doing the ditl alone? Because Phil is away visiting his family. Simple as that. Dan's ig story was, mostly, an act. He totally broke the glass on purpose for his "wow I'm so clumsy/ not having a good day" narrative, and someone earlier mentioned the angle of his "goodnight" pic was not his usual selfie one because Phil's who actually took that one? Nah, Dan took that one, with his eyes closed, bet it took him a few tries too until he got it right.
Also it just feels weird how yall are always trying to deduce their every move based on vague tweets, wouldn't surprise me if the boys tweet things out of time or make things up to throw ppl away from their actual travel schedules, that is annoying af.

Theories aside, now I wonder how much will Dan really use the ig story feature, somehow I can see it end up like his vine like sure he does use instagram more but he doesn't really update that often either anyway ; I'm not sure he'll use this feature much.

[Anonymousse]

Thanks rizzo for the explanation.

Contrary to other people, I think I am one of those fans who like it when Deppy trying to sell things to me. Persuade me, ,tell me all about how the things you wanna sell is good stuff, throw all the spon to me. Do me. *ahem*

Too real, too real. I thought that they had to say if they are being #spon so I think that sponsored thing is out of the question?

Don't you guys ever tire of underestimating Dan? He doesn't "fall to pieces" whenever Phil isn't around, he's a 25 years old man ffs.

But apparently his glass did

...
It'd be interesting to see people not trying to present them as being in such an unhealthy relationship, be it friendship or whatever, like stop romanticizing codependency, please.
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Also it just feels weird how yall are always trying to deduce their every move based on vague tweets, wouldn't surprise me if the boys tweet things out of time or make things up to throw ppl away from their actual travel schedules, that is annoying af.

I'm going to be really honest and just say it like it is:
1) We have had the codependency talk a few times here and most of us don't romanticize it at all. If someone can provide a link to where we talked about that would be lovely (or you could just search "codependency").

2) We are often just joking.
It's difficult to get jokes and sarcasm from text but as much as I have talked to people, a lot of us don't always consider our posts to be 100% serious. e.g The whole conspiracy theory thread is basically a joke.

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I personally think Dan did the IG story thing so people would stop bothering him about snapchat...

Waiting for tonight's big announcement... whatever that may be.

[bluewho]

I'm hoping that they have better judgement/respect for us than to fake a Skype call and film it in their own house.

Indeed. Plus, they are so attached at the hip, it seems likely to be real rather than constructed. I agree the glass breaking was fake though, I wouldn't mind but I didn't even find it funny

Umm, I now have Instagram Stories showing up on my phone, but it's just not Dan who is posting them: I don't subscribe to many IG peeps, but I do subscribe to Connor Franta (because he's a decent photographer) and guess what? - he's doing stories

Connor Franta also visited instagram HQ the other day soooo

kind of suggestive and Connor Franta were offered deals by Instagram then

Also corporate Skype tweets- does anyone think they're not even using Skype in the first place?! Obviously they'd be using FaceTime because they both have Apple products and no use in downloading another app that just crashes all the time when theres a built in alternative. Skype's just rolling with it coz all the mentions

I just assumed it was skype because the 2009 'four hour skype sessions' tweet was one of the first things that came to mind when I saw the not-snapchat. If it's really not skype they are using no way made any kind of deal with skype, and skype is being seriously unprofessional using phan for retweets à la FineBros, to promote a product are not even using in the first place.

Contrary to other people, I think I am one of those fans who like it when Deppy trying to sell things to me. Persuade me, ,tell me all about how the things you wanna sell is good stuff, throw all the spon to me. Do me. *ahem*

yes make me buy whatever you want me to manipulate me wait what

That's when Dan started falling to pieces, breaking stuff, chatting on social media because he's lonely, and whining at Phil on skype about how much he misses him. You know, the usual "Dan is all alone" behaviour.

Me rn:

Edit:

Don't you guys ever tire of underestimating Dan? He doesn't "fall to pieces" whenever Phil isn't around, he's a 25 years old man ffs. It'd be interesting to see people not trying to present them as being in such an unhealthy relationship, be it friendship or whatever, like stop romanticizing codependency, please. He wasn't whining on Skype (if it was Skype at all) about how much he misses Phil, his "why aren't you here with me" comment was to give context to his ig story and it's clear from Phil's answer, why is Dan doing the ditl alone? Because Phil is away visiting his family. Simple as that.

I saw it more as a joke. I know they are both perfectly capable of functioning without each other. Also it was very clear to me the 'Why aren't you here with me Phil?' had both an element of fanservice, and an element of 'I know the first question phangirls are going to ask is 'Where's Phil?' so I'm just going to answer that question right now - Phil's in his Phil life doing Phil things'. I don't view their relationship as codependent.

[uglyamerican]

Edit:

Umm, I now have Instagram Stories showing up on my phone, but it's just not Dan who is posting them: I don't subscribe to many IG peeps, but I do subscribe to Connor Franta (because he's a decent photographer) and guess what? - he's doing stories, as well as NASA who I also subscribe. So I don't think anybody is getting megabucks to show off the new service.

Connor Franta also visited instagram HQ the other day soooo

I guess we will see how often DH and CF actually use the IG-S service to figure out if it is actual #spon and estimate how much money IG is actually paying him, if anything, to spotlight the service. I'm sure that NASA is not getting paid to promote IG-S. I don't see Dan wanting to add his workload with regular IG-S content - he barely posts pictures on IG as it is, and usually they are the same ones he uses on Twitter, his go-to messaging service. Also, curious why Phil didn't run around (where ever he is) filming a few snippets - surely he would have been part of the #spon since he is half of the brand.

[Ticia]

To be honest, danisnotonphil, I can't speak on behalf of the entire phandom nor even this forum, but I can affirm most of us here don't think they are co-dependent, as in "not being able to function / have regular lives without each other", and therefore there's not such thing as romanticization of a vicious relationship, nor we underestimate Dan, at all . As anonymousse stated, the line between joking and not joking gets blurry on the Internet, but rest assured we are (too*) aware they are nearing their thirties.

About the analyzing their tweets to figure out their moves: again, joking / not joking / we always wanted to be part of the illuminati or the Sherlock universe. In my particular case, well, a curious biatch has to live, and it's not as if I would ever, ever, harass them online or in real life. I slept perfectly fine last night, despite my Instagram Stories not working and my ignorance of Phil's whereabouts.

* i.e. "Dan and Phil are of our age and they're richer than we will ever be, what are we doing with our lives cold sweat".

[eevee]

Offtopic? Sorry if so, but other Youtubers using the Instagram story feature that I can see: Zoella, DamonFizzy, Jenna Marbles, PJ. Karlie Kloss is also using it, as did Taylor Swift. I'm particularly interested in the fact that Zoe is using it, because as swofro said, the gleam team has been heavily using Snapchat. I wonder why they would suddenly be using Instagram.........in my opinion this all points to Instagram sponsoring these people. PJ also insta'd in his story that he's making a video, and in the video he says "so, shapchat's dead." Interesting.

[fancybum]

PJ's said many times he doesn't like Snapchat- he uses it for a few days, then deletes it. He's done it a few times. Pewdiepie and Catrific are also using the stories thing. Is it so difficult to think maybe they're just trying something new out? (Because let's be real, ain't nobody sponsoring Cat for this lol). Even with Dan, maybe he really didn't want to bother with snapchat because of the annoyance of another social app to deal with (plus not being into vlogging much), and also because everybody is already using it. Why not try out something new without the scrutiny of being a 'late-joiner'. It does seem completely out of left field for him which is why it feels like spon, but I don't think every single person using it is getting paid. I doubt PJ is getting hooked up for one.

[alittledizzy]

PJ's said many times he doesn't like Snapchat- he uses it for a few days, then deletes it. He's done it a few times. Pewdiepie and Catrific are also using the stories thing. Is it so difficult to think maybe they're just trying something new out? (Because let's be real, ain't nobody sponsoring Cat for this lol). Even with Dan, maybe he really didn't want to bother with snapchat because of the annoyance of another social app to deal with (plus not being into vlogging much), and also because everybody is already using it. Why not try out something new without the scrutiny of being a 'late-joiner'. It does seem completely out of left field for him which is why it feels like spon, but I don't think every single person using it is getting paid. I doubt PJ is getting hooked up for one.

The reason I'm not entirely sold on spon is because so many other youtubers are using it. It would be a smooth move of IG to guarantee early access to influencers; to build hype just by making sure they were the first people who could use it and interest would be drummed up like that. But the fact that there's no blatant promotion happening and that it's not only Dan using it makes me dubious. Dan is totally the type who would want to jump on board something early - he did do the same with Vine, after all. And DailyBooth, and formspring, and vyou years ago - without, I think, needing to be paid. The history of Dan wanting to try new social media functions out is there. I think they missed the snapchat train early on bc they thought it wouldn't interest them (the ability to do stories wasn't a thing at first) and by the time it might have they were too cool to jump on late.

That said, I won't be shocked if it is spon. It would make sense and I have nothing against them making some money using it. But I just don't see enough evidence to say that I 100% think it's spon yet.

[SquishPhan]

Have to agree with the posters above. It could very well be spon, wouldn't surprise me, but I am not 100% convinced.
Either way I loved the little clips we got and hope we'll get some more.

[swofro]

Offtopic? Sorry if so, but other Youtubers using the Instagram story feature that I can see: Zoella, DamonFizzy, Jenna Marbles, PJ. Karlie Kloss is also using it, as did Taylor Swift. I'm particularly interested in the fact that Zoe is using it, because as swofro said, the gleam team has been heavily using Snapchat. I wonder why they would suddenly be using Instagram.........in my opinion this all points to Instagram sponsoring these people. PJ also insta'd in his story that he's making a video, and in the video he says "so, shapchat's dead." Interesting.

PJ's said many times he doesn't like Snapchat- he uses it for a few days, then deletes it. He's done it a few times. Pewdiepie and Catrific are also using the stories thing. Is it so difficult to think maybe they're just trying something new out? (Because let's be real, ain't nobody sponsoring Cat for this lol). Even with Dan, maybe he really didn't want to bother with snapchat because of the annoyance of another social app to deal with (plus not being into vlogging much), and also because everybody is already using it. Why not try out something new without the scrutiny of being a 'late-joiner'. It does seem completely out of left field for him which is why it feels like spon, but I don't think every single person using it is getting paid. I doubt PJ is getting hooked up for one.

The reason I'm not entirely sold on spon is because so many other youtubers are using it. It would be a smooth move of IG to guarantee early access to influencers; to build hype just by making sure they were the first people who could use it and interest would be drummed up like that. But the fact that there's no blatant promotion happening and that it's not only Dan using it makes me dubious. Dan is totally the type who would want to jump on board something early - he did do the same with Vine, after all. And DailyBooth, and formspring, and vyou years ago - without, I think, needing to be paid. The history of Dan wanting to try new social media functions out is there. I think they missed the snapchat train early on bc they thought it wouldn't interest them (the ability to do stories wasn't a thing at first) and by the time it might have they were too cool to jump on late.

That said, I won't be shocked if it is spon. It would make sense and I have nothing against them making some money using it. But I just don't see enough evidence to say that I 100% think it's spon yet.

My theory is that Dan is either spon by instagram or he got the early tip off by instagram to check out the new features they gonna launch soon.

But for me, zoella is probably just jumping on the hype train of using the new feature. I interpret Alfie's tweet yesterday as he was shocked by the new feature and a bit sad that all the promotion gleamers do for snapchat is going to be for nothing if this new instagram feature is more likeable than snapchat. That points out that they don't know beforehand about the new feature going to be launch, so I am sure they are not sponsored.

About Dan, he is either lucky that he got the update sooner than everyone else or instagram pay him so he is guaranteed to get it early (i really want to believe Dan to be paid for, though because he kinda deserved the payment seeing how the phandom is so desperate for the update yesterday, myself included )

Either way, even if blue-ticked ppl got early access, there is no point if commoners can't access it at the same time because they can't see the content. So yeah, good job instagram for the marketing.

I can't wait for tonight ls for Dan's explanation about instagram.

[eevee]

My theory is that Dan is either spon by instagram or he got the early tip off by instagram to check out the new features they gonna launch soon.

But for me, zoella is probably just jumping on the hype train of using the new feature.

I like this theory. It makes sense to me, especially with Zoe just doing it to go along with everyone and promoting herself on yet another platform. Zoe is a more likely person to be using it though so that's why I'm inclined to believe that Dan is getting sponsored, since he's much less likely to use something like this based on what he's said about snapchat etc. If he announces his instagram stories in the ls and says he'll be using them a lot, I'll be certain it's a spon.

PJ's said many times he doesn't like Snapchat- he uses it for a few days, then deletes it. He's done it a few times....I doubt PJ is getting hooked up for one.

These are good points, but I just don't see why he would use it if he doesn't like snapchat and isn't being incentivized by instagram? Maybe to go along with the hype of the new feature? You know PJ better than I do so I take your word.

honestly I could go either way on this issue but I am leaning towards at least Dan getting sponsored to use it early, if not others.

[alittledizzy]

Either way, even if blue-ticked ppl got early access, there is no point if commoners can't access it at the same time because they can't see the content. So yeah, good job instagram for the marketing.

Actually, now that I think about it, it kind of makes sense to me. Instagram's last 'update' was a huge money grab (the non-chronological timeline) that they got huge backlash from the userbases about. People criticize change in general, just by our natural as humans, but in particular the last IG one went over like a lead balloon. I could totally see them deciding that for the next big rollout feature they needed to ensure that users were going to be excited about it before it happened so people wouldn't find a way to lash out instinctively.

But I still don't know if, in my mind, that immediately relates to Dan and other youtubers being paid to use it. I'm taking a neutral position, I guess; it's neither hugely unlikely, nor am I convince it's the only way Dan using the feature makes sense.

[majitzu]

A photobook makes better sense that a book

Edit: ha ha I won!

[bluebox-away]

Well we called it!

Edit: damn too slow
Edit 2: um is that the official cover cause ngl it's fugly

[uglyamerican]

PJ's said many times he doesn't like Snapchat- he uses it for a few days, then deletes it. He's done it a few times. Pewdiepie and Catrific are also using the stories thing. Is it so difficult to think maybe they're just trying something new out? (Because let's be real, ain't nobody sponsoring Cat for this lol). Even with Dan, maybe he really didn't want to bother with snapchat because of the annoyance of another social app to deal with (plus not being into vlogging much), and also because everybody is already using it. Why not try out something new without the scrutiny of being a 'late-joiner'. It does seem completely out of left field for him which is why it feels like spon, but I don't think every single person using it is getting paid. I doubt PJ is getting hooked up for one.

The reason I'm not entirely sold on spon is because so many other youtubers are using it. It would be a smooth move of IG to guarantee early access to influencers; to build hype just by making sure they were the first people who could use it and interest would be drummed up like that. But the fact that there's no blatant promotion happening and that it's not only Dan using it makes me dubious. Dan is totally the type who would want to jump on board something early - he did do the same with Vine, after all. And DailyBooth, and formspring, and vyou years ago - without, I think, needing to be paid. The history of Dan wanting to try new social media functions out is there. I think they missed the snapchat train early on bc they thought it wouldn't interest them (the ability to do stories wasn't a thing at first) and by the time it might have they were too cool to jump on late.

That said, I won't be shocked if it is spon. It would make sense and I have nothing against them making some money using it. But I just don't see enough evidence to say that I 100% think it's spon yet.

This.^^

IG-S literally spread west from the UK to the US in less than 12 hours - and without a huge promo from the "influencers" prior to launch. I tend to believe if there was any #spon was paid by IG, it would have been a token amount considering that just about everyone got it at more or less the same time. FTR, I don't have any problem at all for the boys to be promoting stuff and getting paid, as long as they truly believe in the product or service. Integrity.

[eevee]

what's a photobook? Just pictures of the tour and meetups?

if you listen closely, you can hear all of IDB screaming "I knew it!" into the void

[Kathrynxjane]

I have to say I can't see Dan using the Instagram Stories again. I think it was kind of a piss take of all the people who wanted him to use snapchat.

A photobook makes better sense that a book

Edit: ha ha I won!

What a surprise? We totally didn't know about this already Dan.....

Wtf is that cover though??

I guess that is what the liveshow is about tonight. I would think Phil will join in for a little bit to talk about the book (if he is back from IoM)

[uglyamerican]

Well we called it!

Edit: damn too slow
Edit 2: um is that the official cover cause ngl it's fugly

Good job Illuminati

[esso]

Is this the actual cover of the book? Because this is so ugly wtf

[confusedpanda]

what's a photobook? Just pictures of the tour and meetups?

if you listen closely, you can hear all of IDB screaming "I knew it!" into the void

From what Dan says, yes.

and I'm also glad it's not hyped up at all. And Dan agrees that it's not a big book thing like TABINOF.

[corn flakes]

Well we called it!

Edit: damn too slow
Edit 2: um is that the official cover cause ngl it's fugly

Yes the cover
No idea what is a photobook,I'll probably not buy it if for the majority is full of pictures and it has an ugly cover, still now we can assume that this is the announcement of the ls?as only the hardcore fans would buy it.

Edit: I know late as usual but yes imo danny boy broke the glass on purpose but while at first I was ,now I can't stop laughing at how bad and over the top his "reaction" was.
Also now I'm much of the opinion he wasn't paid but got an early access , still if money was involved idk.