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anathema wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:21 am Hey so I didn't see anyone post about this anywhere because I'm not sure many people realize but I think D&P have switched talent agencies. Sort of.
So yesterday I realized that on ap, dinof (ik it's technically not that anymore but I'm still calling it that it's easier), and dapg, the business inquiries email had changed to an email at "abovetf.com". On the website there's pretty much no info, but it says it's a fully independent talent agency. If you search for it at all, nothing related to it comes up. Well, the awesome dizzy figured out that the full agency name is "above the fray" (which still no related searches come up for,) and that it was registered as a company in the end of October. 3 out of the 4 shareholders are from Flipside (D&P's old agency), one of which includes their manager. There's a chance that abovetf is a division of flipside but personally I don't think it is. Flipside has said nothing about it, and the company it's apart of hasn't said anything either. On top of that, abovetf says it is "fully independent" so I don't think it's attached to anything.
D&P are still listed as talent on flipside's website, but it looks like it hasn't been updated in almost a year. (It still says dapgo "will be released in November 2016.") The only channel of D&P's that still has a flipside email listed is danisnotinteresting, but Dan also still has dinof (rather than daniel howell) listed as his main channel in the channel description.

So yeah that's about it, not super exciting but just something I realized and saw no one else had talked about it.

anathema wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:21 am Hey so I didn't see anyone post about this anywhere because I'm not sure many people realize but I think D&P have switched talent agencies. Sort of.
So yesterday I realized that on ap, dinof (ik it's technically not that anymore but I'm still calling it that it's easier), and dapg, the business inquiries email had changed to an email at "abovetf.com". On the website there's pretty much no info, but it says it's a fully independent talent agency. If you search for it at all, nothing related to it comes up. Well, the awesome dizzy figured out that the full agency name is "above the fray" (which still no related searches come up for,) and that it was registered as a company in the end of October. 3 out of the 4 shareholders are from Flipside (D&P's old agency), one of which includes their manager. There's a chance that abovetf is a division of flipside but personally I don't think it is. Flipside has said nothing about it, and the company it's apart of hasn't said anything either. On top of that, abovetf says it is "fully independent" so I don't think it's attached to anything.
D&P are still listed as talent on flipside's website, but it looks like it hasn't been updated in almost a year. (It still says dapgo "will be released in November 2016.") The only channel of D&P's that still has a flipside email listed is danisnotinteresting, but Dan also still has dinof (rather than daniel howell) listed as his main channel in the channel description.

So yeah that's about it, not super exciting but just something I realized and saw no one else had talked about it.

• What happened? What's the drama? I'm gonna need Dan or Tomska (who seems to have also made the move) to spill!
• I'm assuming, perhaps naively, that the managers left and took their people with them, in which case... I wonder what convinced them. A good relationship can only go so far (I mean.. it'll go pretty far, but ya know). Do D&P get more money out of this?
• Maybe ChannelFlip's downfall resulted in some frustrated execs wanting a bigger bite out of Flipside?
• How will this affect D&P's content, if at all? Will they talk about it?

lilabet wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:14 pm
Safiya gave a really quick mention of Phil as one of the inspirations for her latest video. He also commented on it
but I don’t know how to copy that.

alittledizzy wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:42 am

anathema wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:21 am Hey so I didn't see anyone post about this anywhere because I'm not sure many people realize but I think D&P have switched talent agencies. Sort of.
So yesterday I realized that on ap, dinof (ik it's technically not that anymore but I'm still calling it that it's easier), and dapg, the business inquiries email had changed to an email at "abovetf.com". On the website there's pretty much no info, but it says it's a fully independent talent agency. If you search for it at all, nothing related to it comes up. Well, the awesome dizzy figured out that the full agency name is "above the fray" (which still no related searches come up for,) and that it was registered as a company in the end of October. 3 out of the 4 shareholders are from Flipside (D&P's old agency), one of which includes their manager. There's a chance that abovetf is a division of flipside but personally I don't think it is. Flipside has said nothing about it, and the company it's apart of hasn't said anything either. On top of that, abovetf says it is "fully independent" so I don't think it's attached to anything.
D&P are still listed as talent on flipside's website, but it looks like it hasn't been updated in almost a year. (It still says dapgo "will be released in November 2016.") The only channel of D&P's that still has a flipside email listed is danisnotinteresting, but Dan also still has dinof (rather than daniel howell) listed as his main channel in the channel description.

So yeah that's about it, not super exciting but just something I realized and saw no one else had talked about it.

I don't know much about businesses and how this works, but would they make an entire new company registered completely by itself as a division of Flipside? Is there any way to tell if that's what's happening based on public record available online?

It looks like a lot of the other Flipside talent has also changed their email addresses on youtube to abovetf - including Tomska. (It might be all of them, I just didn't have the patience to look so I spot checked.)

blackdenim wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:32 am FlipSide is a part of the Endemol group (a production company that does loads of stuff including Big Brother in the UK) so maybe what's happened is they've split off from Endemol (hence the 'fully independent'), taking all the talent with them, and therefore had to change their name?

Also off topic but I didn't realise Joe and Casper had left Gleam! That's interesting, I thought all that lot would be tied to them forever! I wonder if Zoe and Alfie would ever leave.

citizen_erased wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:44 am
Could it be Flipside themselves that are going independent and/or rebranding? Is that even possible?

goldenmermaid wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:04 am
Alfie's picture is no longer on the Gleam website so he may be leaving as well!

obvsly wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:54 am

lilabet wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:14 pm
Safiya gave a really quick mention of Phil as one of the inspirations for her latest video. He also commented on it
but I don’t know how to copy that.

Sorry for deviating from the new management discussion a bit. Just wanna say thanks to lilabet who put Safiya's video here. I checked it out and was captivated from start to finish. She's really a joy to watch and I'd really love to see her collab with Phil as well. I looked through her channel and was like, Wow.. she's got a lot views comparing to her subscriber number, huh? The video that lilabet linked to was posted 1 day ago and already has 2.4 m views. That's much better than dnp both. Other videos of hers seem to be doing just as well.

I mean Safiya totally deserves all the views but I'm just wondering if YouTube's new way of determining views affects dnp that much, or if their popularity is really significantly diminishing.

blackdenim wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:10 am

citizen_erased wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:44 am
Could it be Flipside themselves that are going independent and/or rebranding? Is that even possible?

Yes that's kind of what I meant too - the directors could have bought the company out from Endemol if they wanted more freedom, and have to change the name as part of the deal maybe?

goldenmermaid wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:04 am
Alfie's picture is no longer on the Gleam website so he may be leaving as well!

Interesting!! I wonder if they've got big plans.

goldenmermaid wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:04 am

blackdenim wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:32 am FlipSide is a part of the Endemol group (a production company that does loads of stuff including Big Brother in the UK) so maybe what's happened is they've split off from Endemol (hence the 'fully independent'), taking all the talent with them, and therefore had to change their name?

Also off topic but I didn't realise Joe and Casper had left Gleam! That's interesting, I thought all that lot would be tied to them forever! I wonder if Zoe and Alfie would ever leave.

Alfie's picture is no longer on the Gleam website so he may be leaving as well!

liola wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:21 pm

blackdenim wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:10 am

citizen_erased wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:44 am
Could it be Flipside themselves that are going independent and/or rebranding? Is that even possible?

Yes that's kind of what I meant too - the directors could have bought the company out from Endemol if they wanted more freedom, and have to change the name as part of the deal maybe?

goldenmermaid wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:04 am
Alfie's picture is no longer on the Gleam website so he may be leaving as well!

Interesting!! I wonder if they've got big plans.

I think that's what happened, aka the director and talent managers split to be independent. The rebranding might just be to completely distance from Endemol.

About the Gleam situation, I watch Alfie's vlogs and he's been talking about starting a new company for a while. He made the mercy company last year and got a few gleamers in it, so I wonder if he decided to branch out and made his own talent agency? He seems to enjoy the director part more than the creating side tbh, and I'm sure he has enough contacts to make it happen

Loafer wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:40 am

obvsly wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:54 am

lilabet wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:14 pm
Safiya gave a really quick mention of Phil as one of the inspirations for her latest video. He also commented on it
but I don’t know how to copy that.

Sorry for deviating from the new management discussion a bit. Just wanna say thanks to lilabet who put Safiya's video here. I checked it out and was captivated from start to finish. She's really a joy to watch and I'd really love to see her collab with Phil as well. I looked through her channel and was like, Wow.. she's got a lot views comparing to her subscriber number, huh? The video that lilabet linked to was posted 1 day ago and already has 2.4 m views. That's much better than dnp both. Other videos of hers seem to be doing just as well.

I mean Safiya totally deserves all the views but I'm just wondering if YouTube's new way of determining views affects dnp that much, or if their popularity is really significantly diminishing.

Just FYI for those not familiar with her, Safiya used to work for buzzfeed and was arguably the most popular member of the “Ladylike” series, so she had a large audience before she left buzzfeed. Her videos definitely deserve the views, and she seems to do better than other ex-buzzfeed creators, but she still had a leg up on audience. DnP obviously do well and have a huge audience, but her videos have the general appeal that will get her views from people who haven’t heard of her, while dnps content is a bit more niche, or might not seem interesting unless you were already a fan of theirs.

Kimship wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:42 pm

In TomSka's latest Last Week he and his friends play Truth Bombs (@7:50). He then has a quick and interesting talk about his income and how money relates to a viewer's relationship with a youtuber.