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palpable wrote:A few thoughts on the Felix/pewdiepie situation under the spoiler, because I got some things on my mind I cannot leave unsaid.

Moral nuance,people. Of course it isabsolutely vital for a society to have discussions about morality and it is completely fair to speak up when somebody says or does something that is plain out shite (like the thing felix did)

But I really cannot stand the whole "person did a problematic thing now they are irredeemably bad" kind of thinking. How are we to progress as a society if we just discount someone completely because of something they said in the past? You call someone's mistake out (rightfully so) and demand they apologize but then never forgive.
How does that make any sense? You are not morally pure either, and each and everyone of us has done something morally questionable or will do something morally questionable at some point in their lives.

A callout should move someone to genuinely change their behavior and thoughts and not something to make you feel morally superior and super smug. And then demand that deppy publically ostracize a person because you passed a judgement over the goodness of a person. Ew.

I think we had these discussions about political correctness several times on thia forum and back on gg ( intense lurker for the past two years here ) and I never said anything but it gets me riled up again and again when people think they are these morally pure snowflakes who have the right to pass judgement over a person. And this is coming from a person who is all sjw, intersectional-feminist, lefty trash. People change, dont take tha away from them!

I hope this doesnt come across as too harsh (it probably does) I love this forum and its members, otherwise I wouldnt have stayed around so long. Diversity of opinion is gr8 so I am adding my viewpoint.

Also delete if this is too offtopic

To get back on topic at least a bit: I was gonna say that I agree with zvezdochka about acknowledging the women's marches - I do think it's good they tweeted about it and seem to become more open about expressing political opinions, since they have a large, young and impressionable audience and it's positive that they use it for something good.

But then again, it's just a tweet. We don't have to praise them too much for that. A ton of other people actually went to the marches and are involved way more.

Also this isn't exactly a controversial cause to get behind: peaceful rallies for equality, plus I guess there are hardly any Trump supporters amongst their followers.
Unlike taking sides in the Pewdiepie discussion would have been

Just saying they still stay on the safe side of things but that's ok I guess

Can I just add that I'm pretty sure Felix apologised if he had upset anyone in one of his most recent videos (can't remember what one). Not that it justifies his actions but he did say sorry.

MoonPride wrote:Can I just add that I'm pretty sure Felix apologised if he had upset anyone in one of his most recent videos (can't remember what one). Not that it justifies his actions but he did say sorry.

he didn't really. he was arrogant and smug about it. it's not just the edgy jokes, it's multiple things and his attitude (which i'm not going to rant about because that's for the pewdiepie thread) that make him an asshole.

mio wrote:
Also this isn't exactly a controversial cause to get behind: peaceful rallies for equality, plus I guess there are hardly any Trump supporters amongst their followers.

When Dan mentioned Meryl Streep's anti-trump speech at the GG in his ls he "rustled jimmies" in the chat. I think there's more supporters than you'd expect.

MoonPride wrote:Can I just add that I'm pretty sure Felix apologised if he had upset anyone in one of his most recent videos (can't remember what one). Not that it justifies his actions but he did say sorry.

lol apologized!!!

I think it's fine to acknowledge and encourage progress in someone who in the past hasn't shown many political opinions or commented on issues. It feels weird to negate that someone did something good - even if it was just retweet a picture to four million people - because they didn't do enough good. Judge the dude by the standards he set for himself, and he's surpassed them. A picture that showed support of the march and of same-sex couples, and not only after Dan had done it first - for Phil, that was a lot. Hopefully he'll continue in that vein.

I do wish they'd do more publicly, of course, and they shouldn't get praise for things they haven't done or praise at the exclusion of people doing more. But this is a forum for Dan and Phil, so it's natural that they are the focus of what we discuss here that's march related.

alittledizzy wrote:I think it's fine to acknowledge and encourage progress in someone who in the past hasn't shown many political opinions or commented on issues. It feels weird to negate that someone did something good - even if it was just retweet a picture to four million people - because they didn't do enough good. Judge the dude by the standards he set for himself, and he's surpassed them. A picture that showed support of the march and of same-sex couples, and not only after Dan had done it first - for Phil, that was a lot. Hopefully he'll continue in that vein.

I do wish they'd do more publicly, of course, and they shouldn't get praise for things they haven't done or praise at the exclusion of people doing more. But this is a forum for Dan and Phil, so it's natural that they are the focus of what we discuss here that's march related.

Didnt mean to make it sound like demanding more from them!

Agreed this is the place to be Deppy and for everything else I have absolutely no problem with that (that's what we're all here for lol) - but I guess it just always rubs me the wrong way when white guys get praised for something that's the bare minimum of political engagement - especially in this case when it was an event planned, carried out by and centered around women. Idk... I'll stop arguing this point now.

First, I think zvezdochka is completely right, there's no need to really praise them for retweeting some things and making a generic statements once in a while. Especially because I feel like they get this much praise simply because they're white males, aka a demograpic not usually in support of the social justice and feminism. Women never get praise for being a feminist (in social justice circles it is expected and women who don't feel comfortable with the label for whatever reason get shamed to hell and back) but men do. White male mediocrity strikes again. I think it's cool that D&P care and that they retweeted some thing about the marches but some people (not even really talking about the forum, just generally on social media) praised them so much for so little... That isn't to say that they have to do more (they're fine imo), just that the phandom maybe has to do a little less :')

palpable wrote:A few thoughts on the Felix/pewdiepie situation under the spoiler, because I got some things on my mind I cannot leave unsaid.

Moral nuance,people. Of course it isabsolutely vital for a society to have discussions about morality and it is completely fair to speak up when somebody says or does something that is plain out shite (like the thing felix did)

But I really cannot stand the whole "person did a problematic thing now they are irredeemably bad" kind of thinking. How are we to progress as a society if we just discount someone completely because of something they said in the past? You call someone's mistake out (rightfully so) and demand they apologize but then never forgive.
How does that make any sense? You are not morally pure either, and each and everyone of us has done something morally questionable or will do something morally questionable at some point in their lives.

A callout should move someone to genuinely change their behavior and thoughts and not something to make you feel morally superior and super smug. And then demand that deppy publically ostracize a person because you passed a judgement over the goodness of a person. Ew.

I think we had these discussions about political correctness several times on thia forum and back on gg ( intense lurker for the past two years here ) and I never said anything but it gets me riled up again and again when people think they are these morally pure snowflakes who have the right to pass judgement over a person. And this is coming from a person who is all sjw, intersectional-feminist, lefty trash. People change, dont take tha away from them!

I hope this doesnt come across as too harsh (it probably does) I love this forum and its members, otherwise I wouldnt have stayed around so long. Diversity of opinion is gr8 so I am adding my viewpoint.

Also delete if this is too offtopic

I really don't think anyone here is doing that though. If I gave you that vibe I'm sorry but imo we're just far past that stage with Felix. I completely agree on giving people chances to educate themselves and do better, because nobody came out of the womb all enlightened. I was ignorant as shit just like everybody else and still am on many subjects. Everybody should get the chance and time to become a better person (and that journey never really ends).

But that just no longer goes for Felix because he just doesn't care and I don't feel like a morally superior snowflake for passing judgement over him for that, nor for wishing for people I like to stop associating with someone like him. The people one associates with often reflect their thoughts, opinions and behaviour after all.. I personally feel like any friendship Felix has with other YouTubers suffers from a massive power imbalance which causes his friends not to call him out on anything and be quick to forgive. He holds a lot of power, and he abuses it constantly both online and IRL. Now I'm not concerned that Deppy's friendship with him reflects their ~true selves~ or anything, but they also won't call him out because of that 'friendship' and that's what I have a problem with. Especially when they then follow it up with some fond joke about him being a 'problematic dad'.

I have plenty of problematic faves (I'm a kpop stan after all, there's nothing about that industry isn't problematic) and generally I do get annoyed at how quickly people turn on celebs and such if they make one ignorant statement. Especially because of how selective people are, often just looking for shit to justify hating one person while forgiving another person for worse. So you're absolutely right about that, but I don't think it's fair to apply that to this situation.

malday wrote:

mio wrote: Also this isn't exactly a controversial cause to get behind: peaceful rallies for equality, plus I guess there are hardly any Trump supporters amongst their followers.

When Dan mentioned Meryl Streep's anti-trump speech at the GG in his ls he "rustled jimmies" in the chat. I think there's more supporters than you'd expect.

Yesterday I came across someone on Twitter who claimed to love Harry Potter, Doctor Who etc. and was just deeply into fandom culture but was a really hardcore Trump supporter. I was hella confused and wondering whether we had read the same books written by my problematic fave J.K. Rowling. I know that considering how popular the books are plenty of shitty and evil people must've read them as well but it was so weird for me to see. I'm sure there are Trump supporting phandom members as well. The world is strange.

I log in a month later to discussion as utterly perplexing as the one I left on.

Why are y'all convinced Felix is a big bad Youtube King who is using his unofficial power to shut down any potential callouts (intentional or not). All around the world in that infamous *Real Life TM* people remain friends with people who exhibit shitty traits, including lack of PC (in the best sense of that word) and even give them public support. Because they value the friendship (family relationship etc.) sometimes to the extent that their backbone disappears and / or they don't think it's a hill to die on. It's the same as loyal people who have serial cheater friends. It happens all the bloody time

First thanks Catallena that hit exactly the point I was trying to make in a much more elaborate way!

Catallena wrote:

malday wrote:

mio wrote: Also this isn't exactly a controversial cause to get behind: peaceful rallies for equality, plus I guess there are hardly any Trump supporters amongst their followers.

When Dan mentioned Meryl Streep's anti-trump speech at the GG in his ls he "rustled jimmies" in the chat. I think there's more supporters than you'd expect.

Yesterday I came across someone on Twitter who claimed to love Harry Potter, Doctor Who etc. and was just deeply into fandom culture but was a really hardcore Trump supporter. I was hella confused and wondering whether we had read the same books written by my problematic fave J.K. Rowling. I know that considering how popular the books are plenty of shitty and evil people must've read them as well but it was so weird for me to see. I'm sure there are Trump supporting phandom members as well. The world is strange.

Maybe it's because I'm not from the US and can't imagine anybody supporting Trump at all...
But then again here we have the AfD, Front National, PVV, FPÖ and all these other assholes....

I didn't know about the Meryl Streep incident but I watched his pre-election day ls and in that one he was particularly anti-trump and confrontational and I didn't really notice anybody objecting in the comments, people were mostly scared and worried.

that tweet...is phil ok o.o i'm starting to think that getting high in january theory may be true

Skylar wrote:that tweet...is phil ok o.o i'm starting to think that getting high in january theory may be true

+1

that tweet has no indication of time and space. he could be on iom for all we care, lol.

he also liked wirror's combs for hands emoticon tweet that was part of this conversation, aw.

I really like his tweets lately.

realeyesrealize wrote:

I don't understand it. Can someone explain? Is there even something to explain? I am confused

nephilimcat wrote:

realeyesrealize wrote:

I don't understand it. Can someone explain? Is there even something to explain? I am confused

I think they're greater than signs. He's giving his preference for coke containers in order - and apparently really, really dislikes plastic coke bottles.

Phil also posted on facebook earlier asking for gaming suggestions, if anyone has anything they're dying to see them play.

alittledizzy wrote:

nephilimcat wrote:

realeyesrealize wrote:

I don't understand it. Can someone explain? Is there even something to explain? I am confused

I think they're greater than signs. He's giving his preference for coke containers in order - and apparently really, really dislikes plastic coke bottles.

Phil also posted on facebook earlier asking for gaming suggestions, if anyone has anything they're dying to see them play.

He posted that notice on his community tab on YT as well.

Had a look at the replies on Twitter to that tweet. A lot of jokes made about the other kind of 'coke' + jokes were made about 4.20 (he missed it by a minute)

alittledizzy wrote:

nephilimcat wrote:

realeyesrealize wrote:

I don't understand it. Can someone explain? Is there even something to explain? I am confused

I think they're greater than signs. He's giving his preference for coke containers in order - and apparently really, really dislikes plastic coke bottles.

Phil also posted on facebook earlier asking for gaming suggestions, if anyone has anything they're dying to see them play.

I get it now lol
Same Phil

Also he liked this tweet! There are a lot of nice and cute games, I hope they play some of them. Hi I'm alive

nephilimcat wrote:

realeyesrealize wrote:

I don't understand it. Can someone explain? Is there even something to explain? I am confused

there has been an old as time debate that drinks in glass bottles taste better than canned. Beer and Coke are the two most popular victims of this, generally people agree that drinks in a glass bottle tastes the best because the metal of the can affects the flavour, and the plastic of the bottle kind of dulls it down.

Ah! Now it makes sense, thanks

Furry Dan is on the rise again.

(Also, tumblr queue time, yay.)

i'm thinking he he lost a dan vs phil?

alittledizzy wrote:

Furry Dan is on the rise again.

(Also, tumblr queue time, yay.)

I really dislike people treating this child as a joke. He's underage, he didn't choose to be in the public eye. Ugh.

100% agree with you, bee. I was kinda surprised that Dan went there.

Also, Phil is dead wrong. Canned coke is the most inferior coke, by far. I like Hector's art, though.

I'd love to hear Dan and Phil's opinions on Manchester by the Sea! Hopefully they go on another date to see it lol. They (particularly Phil) seem to really be pushing the gaming channel and working hard which is awesome because I love their gaming channel. Also I hope Dan's butt is better after the fall

Jeez Dan's queue is dark af
Canned coke is gross and fountain coke rules #unstanning
*slowly backs into the void before the inevitable long discourse of deppy being problematic for various reasons happens because we're dry of content*

Random:

idk and I were discussing this on Twitter yesterday, but I thought I’d post it here too, for posterity’s sake:

I deciphered the blurred message in this picture (tweeted by Dan on 29 January 2012):


[link to Twitpic]

It says:

• Sounds good to
  Me! Also we should maybe
  mention that we may be
  free on the 11th if al
  cancels and we’l hopefully
  find that out tomorrow

Presumably they were talking about March 11th, 2012, and the "Al" in question was Phil’s cousin Al, whose March birthday Phil once referenced in a tweet saying "HAPPY BIRTHDAY COUSIN AL."

According to another one of his tweets, Phil did hang out with Martyn and Cornelia on the 11th, so presumably Al didn’t cancel.

Anyway, this is related to nothing, but I wanted to have a record of this transcription somewhere haha.