Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

[flarequake]

Loved the video, their voice acting was on form, so many quick character changes and still they're pretty consistent, Dan's dramatic actions here and there were great, and all the comments on things like family and parent/child relationships. I really liked their choice and reasoning for the response to Amanda being late, going for open honesty rather than mindless authority. I love how they kept calling him Diddly too, the real name is awful Dan looked so good in Savannah's tshirt, it's tighter than what he usually wears and it's nice to see his arms. It's funny, he wears it and two sizes sell out so she makes cash, Deps and the rest of IRL make cash, win-win I guess.

[blackdenim]

Dream Daddy has an option to play a 'streamer-safe' version of the game that doesn't use copyrighted content - is it possible D&P could be playing that version and it doesn't have the bar scene for some reason or other? Although I don't see why D&P would play the safe version and Markiplier, etc. wouldn't...

I'm going to go and check and will report back if anyone is interested.

I enjoyed the video but was too distracted by waiting for the bar scene and then it not happening to take much more in!

P.S. I've played all the endings and Robert is the best Daddy don't @ me. Dan has excellent taste confirmed.

EDIT: Can confirm that before they started the video they just elected to go to bed while Amanda was having her sleepover and that skips the bar scene. We'll never know how Dan and Phil handle an indecent proposal *sigh*

[SneakyLizard]

What I'm enjoying about both of the Dream Daddy episodes is that they seem to be playing quite earnestly. It's kind of sweet. They are genuinely considering each choice and each character, not just clicking the silliest option, or the safest option.

Having to choose the storyline really does reveal quite a lot about d&p and the way they approach the world, (so far mostly in regard to parent/child relationships I think) which I kind of feel honored to be allowed insight into. Dunno, maybe that's just cause I'm super emotional and overly invested, just generally. But it is cool to hear their reasoning and anecdotes,those exchanges are half the reason I enjoy the gaming videos as much as I do. It's not the most exciting game, but I love story driven stuff so I'm fairly invested already. I do hope they don't stop playing, it's pleasant and I get to look at their pretty faces for nearly an hour.

[plath]

This episode was so much better than the last one. They seemed more chill and genuinely enjoying the game. Perhaps they were reassured after the positive response to the last one.

[alittledizzy]

Phil tweeted this earlier:

And Bryony posted a pic of the same thing on Instagram (thanks anon on tumblr who tipped me off), so I wonder if this was their gaming night?

[captainspacecoat]

I know literally nothing about Dream Daddy, so I'm enjoying the videos! My one complaint though is that the game itself is slightly too text-heavy, and at times I felt that there were scenes that didn't necessarily contribute much to the story/felt like they were dragging things on (the vomit flashback at the mall, for example, or the bit with Amanda and Daisy playing at the cookout). But that's a criticism of the game, not Dan and Phil.

I thought Dan looked great in Sav's merch (I personally really like her merch, and I think it's up there with Nathan Zed's merch in terms of quality youtube merch), and while I'm sure it was largely a spon for IRL I like to think he was also thinking of how his promo would also benefit Sav. I also agree that Dan probably admires the subtlety and aesthetic of Sav's merch.

In terms of the video itself, Phil is correct and has great taste in men, Mat is clearly the best Dad. I loved all the little moments where they related events to themselves, i.e. being late all the time, shopping at Bed Bath and Beyond, watching silly cooking shows etc. The game itself doesn't easily lend itself to much commentary due to the fact it's so text-heavy, which is a little frustrating, but I think Dan and Phil are doing their best with it.

Also, HOW did uni!Dan not know that cooking pasta involves boiling water??? My jaw dropped when he said that, omgggggg

A thing I found interesting was at the end of the Dad BBQ, when all the Dads were speaking, one after the other, Dan did the voice for every single one. I know that Phil does the voice for Dilddy, so it probably makes sense whilst reading for Dan to provide the answering voice to Phil's more constant protagonist/narrative. However, it's just disappointing, especially considering that Phil was very close to pushing the main Dilddy-person onto Dan to narrate. Dan really dominates the voices and I wish Phil had more weird voice opportunities, Dan seems to be struggling to really differentiate the character voices now

I thought the same at first, but then it occurred to me that it's very possible they discussed this beforehand and it was something they were in agreement on. Phil's said before he struggles with reading fast-paced dialogue aloud, so it may well be that he asked Dan to take on more voices because Phil already has a lot to read as Dilddy (or Diddly, I should say).

Does anyone else get the impression that Phil is even more guarded/careful in what he says than Dan? Hmm. My tinfoil hat may be on too tight today.

Personally, I don't. I thought Phil happily provided commentary about which Dads were his favourite and why, and he didn't shy away from suggestive innuendo either ("he's gonna get the cane out" followed by giggling comes to mind). I agree that in the first video he did seem kind of low-energy, but he seemed objectively pretty upbeat and into it in this one to me.

I'm very positive that everyone was wanting them to play Dream Daddy only because they were hoping for more of an insight into D&P's sexuality/attractions. A gay, daddy dating simulator? DIP n PIP MUST PLAY IT!(1!1!) #gaydads When the phandom pushes, it shoves.

Yeah, I will never understand people's criticism of their play through as "lacking in gayness" or whatever (not saying that's your criticism, ewok, you and I are on the same page I think given the eyeball emoji ). Cuz like, a) where? and b) it seems so mean to me to be mad that two not-straight guys may be kind of wary of peoples' reactions to them playing an LGBT-related game, when so much of their lives are already constantly scrutinised. They don't exist to portray their sexualities in such a way that meets the standards set by their viewers, and they should be allowed to just play the game at their own comfort, just as straight youtubers are allowed to do.

And thus concludes my thoughts on the second Dream Daddy vid.

Also dizzy you're probably right, Wirrow tweeted about watching 'The Room' earlier so I'd guess they had a movie night or something (is that their tv maybe? too dark to tell)

[starlight-still]

Why hello folks. I’m de-lurking and writing this a bit late because I’ve had quite the afternoon. Wait...what? It’s Friday night already? Geez, well…I don’t know how but that live show managed to slay me, revive me, then slay me again…so, that’s why I’m writing this from the crypt. The crypt which will be my home while I process all the domesticity and adorableness that we’ve witnessed this week.

First, the double live show.

I actually mis-typed that as “life” show and, quite frankly, that’s what I want to call it. I don’t need to mention that a lot of us really needed a gentle distraction this week, if not already for personal reasons with everything going on right now in the world. And the boys delivered. If it were just Dan, he would’ve felt obligated to appear intelligent and informed and to *say something* about current events, and if it were just Phil, well, it would’ve been a pleasant, world event-free bubble of animal and food chats. Instead, what we got is an easy-going, shooting the breeze, casual evening of them just being themselves (or, as close to themselves as they choose to share with their audiences). Just normal, everyday life. Those little things that folks are always talking about appreciating. This live show made them front and center, and the result was, judging by reactions, downright healing to a lot of us

Re: Dan-nus interruptus.

While part of me is like, “well, I guess this is a glimpse of that annoying teen Dan said he was” I actually find it endearing. He’s done it before in joint live shows, especially whenever Phil starts trying to tell a story. This time, it actually came across as less obnoxious as he explained why (because Phil tends to leave details out that he views as essential for understanding the story). What I see from Danny is “I know you so well, in fact, possibly better than your own mum, that I am well-aware of how your creative little mind works and what you need to do to communicate with us mere mortals is slow it down and fill in the details.” Phil, in turn, is like “Well I know how you tend to zero in on the negative and end up feeling injured, you don’t mean to but you can’t help it…but I can help you. I’ll quietly show you that it’s OK to just focus on good things sometimes.” And well…why am I crying in the crypt right now.

Re: Dream Daddy (this one is an actual spoiler warning as I’ve played the game and find the ones that they’re, well, mildly amused by…interesting. If you don’t want to know what happens with the daddies’ stories, please avoid!)

...you've been warned! Turn back now if you don't want to be spoiled! Last chance!

So if you’ve played the game, you know that each of the daddies turns out to be a little different from what you’d expect (OK, maybe except for Robert…and, to a certain extent, Mat). Although Robert’s story is the only one that ends with “I need to work on myself first” as the good ending, I think that ending could’ve also worked for Craig, Joseph, and perhaps even Mat. But this is not meant to be 100% realistic and, remember, part of the fun is in how the stories unfold. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that they can't go wrong no matter who they choose- all of the daddies have their flaws and merits.

I’m actually a bit surprised at how judgmental they are, even if they’re just putting it on for the camera- I mean, I’ve always seen Phil as being the kind of person who is *silently judging you* while Daniel is, well…he doesn’t hold back. But part of me also thinks that they don’t exactly...love the game (or at least they don't love playing it for the gaming channel)? They’re humoring us, sure, and being good sports because so much of their audience likes it. But I get the feeling that the minute the cameras go off, they’re making that tongue-stuck-out face Amanda does and fussing about how it’s "so much reading" that they spend much more time working through the lines as quickly as they can than they do banting. To be fair, though, they’ve barely scratched the surface of any of the plot lines. Stick with it, fellas, you’ll get to the good stuff.

Daniel's choices are totally the ones that are closest to Phil…Joseph is his wholesome, supportive side while Robert, as you get to know later on, is more wholesome than he seems (whittling?) into ghosts and the supernatural, also loves dogs, and tells tall tales all the time to make himself seem more interesting (remember Dil’s little message to Phil in TATINOF?). Meanwhile, Phil’s quiet crush on Mat, the most Dan-like of them all, is too precious (then again, it may all be because of the quinoa cook- cough I mean baking). Funny how he disses Hugo for his intellectual rants (and we didn’t even get to the cheese boards!) but excuses Mat from similar behavior since he loves food and is super awkward. Ahem.

Alright, my weary workweek bones need a good night’s rest…so it’s back to my lurker tomb until the Sims drops or perhaps when one of them tweets about something other than food, the weather, or being awkward (not likely, as they’re probably on their best behavior in case Important TV Execs' PR assistants check out their social medias in preparation for Edinburgh next week).

[autumnhearth]

What I'm enjoying about both of the Dream Daddy episodes is that they seem to be playing quite earnestly. It's kind of sweet. They are genuinely considering each choice and each character, not just clicking the silliest option, or the safest option.

Having to choose the storyline really does reveal quite a lot about d&p and the way they approach the world, (so far mostly in regard to parent/child relationships I think) which I kind of feel honored to be allowed insight into. Dunno, maybe that's just cause I'm super emotional and overly invested, just generally. But it is cool to hear their reasoning and anecdotes,those exchanges are half the reason I enjoy the gaming videos as much as I do. It's not the most exciting game, but I love story driven stuff so I'm fairly invested already. I do hope they don't stop playing, it's pleasant and I get to look at their pretty faces for nearly an hour.

Yes! I was thinking this as well, while watching. They actually approached situations in a very healthy way looking at both the parent's and child's perspective. This + Dan's comment about loving his family more after leaving home had me feeling very mushy.

000dia000 Re: the voices, while it would be nice to hear Phil take on some of the other dad voices, they did choose it very strategically. Phil voices the main dad while Dan voices the daughter, Dan voices the other dads but Phil voices most of the other kids (except in the cases where the kids interact with Dilddy first, like Lucien). Of all the other dads I think I'd like to hear Phil voice Damien the most. But I think they knew their character had the potentional to go out on dates with all the dad's, so for voicing roleplay it works best, unless they trade off voicing Dilddy (which hey, it is a combination of them, so they could if they wanted to).

0:01 I love Phil in his burgundy hearts shirt.
0:02 Dan's shirt is a bit distracting but he looks really cute in it.
0:05 The dog *was* the most important thing last time.
0:08 The animated corgi added in and the effect that Phil bops it down with his fist while saying "sadly the owner was quite sassy" was quite satisfying.
0:25 Love the slow pan in intro with the logo and hearts.
0:29 Hearing Phil say "our old husband" is a bit surreal.
0:30 "died!" in sync
0:58 Reaffirming their dad choices are each other.
1:05 Is Dan chewing on something? Or is that just something he does with his cheek? He continues moving his mouth odd and then covers it with his hand.
1:28 Dan sings "Dream Daddy"
1:39 "We apologize so much."- Dan

1:52 "Bouncy baby Craig"- Phil (how Phil remembers names)
2:02 "That's how to instantly be like 'wrong number, bye.'"- Dan miming texting
2:10 "6 am, no. On the no pile straight away"-Dan "That is criminal."- Phil
2:22 (I had to look up "swole")
2:24 Two messages is a little bit desperate according to Phil
2:27 Dan feels sorry that he maybe doesn't have anyone to do bro brunches with.
2:36 "Sure you wann 'catch up'" innuendo according to Dan
2:50 "What year is it?"- in sync "3,300"- Phil
2:58 "That's more Dan and Phil, being late for everything."- Phil

3:06 Flash back to parents evening, so awkward, judging you to your face
3:23 Bright orange visitors sticker "right on the forehead"- Phil "Bonk"- Dan
3:28 "Haggard" has a wizard association with Phil
3:40 "A youth"- Dan
3:50 Lucien is what Phil wanted to look like in college.
3:55 Probably Dan's best voice of this game.
4:22 Low rent Gerard Way burn reaction.
4:37 Phil thinks Hugo has "swanky clothes"
4:51 Phil singing "we're not okay"

5:01 Phil's "He's gonna get the cane out"
Dan's reaction and Phil's giggling while reading
5:25 "Good one" to Dan's elbow blowing
5:38 I like that Dan just immediately goes for that bell sound effect
5:45 Phil describes their parent teacher conferences, teachers "sass us to our faces"
5:55 Dan's half mouth teacher imitation we've seen in skits. I'm not sure why, but it bothers me a bit.
6:25 "First name basis" Dan dance "Watch out"- Phil
7:47 "I turn around and go damn, he really fills out those trousers."- Daniel Howell
8:00 Hugo is "too stuffy"- Phil
"I'm not into that"- Dan
8:13 "A wet book." Okay Phil.
(Books smell great I'm unstanning)
8:23 Phil clarifies the husband wasn't killed by kangaroos.

8:35 James Corden singing with Harry Styles in the car reference.
(Actually worth watching imo.)
9:22 Dan being disturbed by the father daughter talk in the car sounding like a sex talk. "That sounds like something else." "Oh god, where's this going?"
9:48 If I was Dan's grandma following him on Twitter and watching his videos, I would be concerned by a lot more than just his language. (But they seem to be very close and he probably explained his humor to her long ago.)
10:40 "Is it a meme?"- Phil
"Probably, a super ironic meme."- Dan

11:25 "We know what a mall is."- Phil
11:30 Dan remembers being shouted at for loitering
11:40 "Heck."- a quiet and amused Dan
11:44 "Always go for Chinese."- Dan
11:46 "Oh my god mall Chinese food is the best."- Phil
12:00 "They have a great bond! Talk about your problems Amanda!"- Dan reacting to Dilddy and Amanda's food humor
12:33 Their reaction to Phil having predicted the memes convo.
12:57 Dan's Memeing of Life video reference.
13:06 Phil "lets" Dan say the swear word. Transitions into "dat boy" reference.
13:26 Dan's over reaction to anti-establishment/capitalism rant, Phil practically rolling his eyes
13:43 "Okay, this is like, stop trying so hard to prove how cool and critical your opinions are, Brah. God. Jesus."- Dan

14:30 Blue raspberry slushies are dangerous
14:40 Dan would have cried about MCR merch being ruined
14:48 And would still wear it
15:05 Yeah, Dan we all know what it's trying to parody.
15:10 Both of them would rather go to Bed, Bath & Beyond (domesticity )
15:23 "Don't think that way Dilddy, you're valid."- Dan

15:35 "Guess the name. Vincent."- Dan
"Dracula."- Phil
"Just straight up Dracula."- Dan cracking up
16:05 Dan is highly amused by "Edwardian dressage"
16:10 Phil looks done, admits "I'm not sure I'm going to date this one."
16:28 "Not carrier pigeon? Wow, this guy is not carrying it through."- Dan
16:30 Phil is liking his nail varnish
16:40 "All I know is that he's way too high maintenance for me and I'm noping out of there."- Dan (I like how in this case both Dan and Phil seem to be speaking as themselves not wanting to date Damien, not speaking about what's right for Dilddy)
17:30 They are both "intrigued, but not at all interested."

17:44 D&P would watch "Long Haul Paranormal Ice Road Ghost Truckers"
18:26 "Hop on the Reddits and down vote some comments."- Dan
18:38 "Wow, productive day for Dilddy there, not."- wow Dan
18:46 When did Dan start with the snorting? I feel like this is a somewhat recent development.
19:09 Furniture assembling is all about interpretation
19:16 "Dilddy continues to be the most relatable character ever."- Seriously Dan, hush, you have no room to talk.
19:22 A few seconds later: "Yeah, its honest"

20:07 "They've got some punch going on, wieners, chairs, plants and lots of cakes. This is a damn good cookout if you ask me."- Dan
20:25 Dan thinks Joesph sounds like Viktor from Yuri on Ice, I don't see how.
20:52 "Ohh, okay, can't be a home wrecker then."- Dan
21:19 "Wow Mary."- Phil, dragging her
20:20 "I *love* her, literal goals."- Dan
21:33 "All the guys!"- Dan doing a weird arm flap thing
"Ohhh, there's more guys"- Phil

21:40 Dan loosing total composure over Robert.
21:45 Rugged (edgy) vs rustic (like Amish, ok Dan)
21:50 Why does he need the whisky, what does he want to do with the eyes? Fuck!"- Dan
22:00 Phil predicts that Dilddy and Robert are not going to get along
22:15 "He's a bundle of laughs."- Phil no likee, Dan likee very much

22:40 Phil's whiny dad voice is a marvel
22:46 "Pleasantries!"- both
22:58 "Wow Amanda."- Phil
23:06 "It's Mat! He's my fave!"- Phil
23:10 "What a cool guy and mysterious."- Dan about Robert
23:14 "Boo."- Dan at Brian, mumbles something about dog
23:18 "Edwardian!"- Dan about Damien
23:21 "Hella awkward."- Dan about Hugo
23:28 "What a coincidence!"- Dan (that all the dads live on their cul-de-sac)
23:40 "Mysterious stranger and guy that was too boastful, that does seem like a good combination, I do want to get to know the mysterious guy more, but I kinda want to avoid Brian."- Gee Dan, we can tell.
23:51 "Teacher- awkward, Mat- nice, Craig"- Dan, "We like Craig"- Phil

24:02 Look at that diverse group of hot dads!
24:08 "He needs help. Let's go rescue Craig, that's definitely what this is."- Dan
24:16 "Oh my god, Hugo. Stop."- Phil looking pained
24:36 "Like a Labrador."- Dan (second Labrador mention this week)
24:44 Craig calls River "little bro" so Dan uses male pronoun only to find out seconds later River is a girl. "Poor baby."
25:02 Hand quotes abound
25:11 Dan whispers "What the fuck does that mean?" He really wants to know the details of their college relationship
25:20 Daniel James Howell burnt pasta because he didn't know he had to put water in it. Shame him.

25:50 Dan tells Phil to make Mat's daughter sound a bit more cool
25:55 "Coot!" "Coot!"
26:00 "Mat is just too cute"- Dan (I thought for sure he was going to say cool)
26:02 "Dreamboat"- Phil (Dan seems a bit surprised by Phil's sudden statement)
26:06 "Delet"- Dan who is being slowly won over
26:20 Carmensita is such "an amazingly cool name"
26:23 "Fuck off Daisy. No one likes you Daisy."- I swear to god, pausing during Dan's outbursts reveal the best Phil faces
27:03 "Smoooking"- Dan lip shake thing
27:18 Can anyone make out what Dan says about Craig and Mat here? "There's a... those two."?

27:40 "Wow. Incredible."- D "What a delinquent."- P "Seriously."- D
27:48 "I mean if you give him a name like Ernest he's gonna rebel."- Dan
27:53 "Shout out to any Ernests watching."- Phil
28:10 Props to Phil for his moody teenage boy voice
28:20 "Woah, edge detected!"- Dan
28:28 What the heck was that Dan?
28:55 Dan thinks Dilddy is cool for not being pretentious
28:56 Dan would be friends with someone who says they're "cool as a cucumber"
29:58 "From my experience, the moment you stop living with your parents you suddenly are like 'I love my family!' but maybe that's just because you're used to there being food in the house, and not having to do your own laundry."- okay Dan, don't ruin a nice thing.
30:40 "Diddly P!"

30:45 Phil asks Dan if he's liking Damien's aesthetic, Dan's quick answer "no".
32:00 Damien Bloodmarch "too much"
32:20 "Wow. Smooth. He's definitely a vampire."- Phil
32:30 "Hello Amanda."- in unison
"We should do it at the same time."- you just did Dan
32:53 "Can we all be Mary?"- Dan (with her wine goals)
33:37 Dan bangs the desk "Everything's connected!" (Lucien and Damien)
33:45 "Fight! Fight! Fight!"- Dan
34:18 "Joesph is so wholesome, when he isn't passively aggressively correcting his wife. It's a facade"- Dan
34:30 "Edge detected!"- Dan
35:03 "The Satan number."- Phil

35:47 "The Game of Thrones."- Phil
"Yeah sure, it better be"- Dan
35:55 Just going to call him Diddly
37:30 "Wow. I kind of like this. It's like me, just constant, like joking, then double joking, then triple joking and then everyone's like 'wow, do you have a personality or are you just hiding it until layers of humor as a defense mechanism?'"- Dan (wow that went deep)
37:45 "It's okay Dan."- Phil
"I'm just kidding."- Dan
39:39 "Ginger representation."- Dan (not sure what that has to do with anything but they're warming up to Brian
40:40 Phil loves the puns, Dan wants them to stop. Clearly Phil was meant to be the dad.

43:03 Dan is into the cauliflower, he will eat the cauliflower, he's just putting that out there
(he also put out a negative opinion on cucumbers not long ago I believe. What does it mean?)
44:00 Wine and Dine Mastermind sounds like something they'd watch
44:33 "Kiddo" reminds Dan of Sans
44:50 "Definitely" earned that ice cream sandwich
45:07 Dan helping Phil with assuaging and exacerbating
45:45 Phil's dad performance kills me from here on
46:16 "Don't complain about the attitude. If you want to be protective stick to the issue. So you could say I have a right to be concerned but is that a bit entitled?"- Dan, "I think just like I was scared."- Phil "It shows vulnerability. That's how to do it."- Dan
(very wise, what good dads, now good luck keeping a level head when you are actually upset)
46:46 "Say sorry Amanda."- Phil
46:56 Paused here, D&P's facial and body language accurately reflect how I feel about what Phil just said about his bedroom. Both their eyes move away from each other and they look tired.

47:22 Phil's least favorite is Hugo, "He's so stuffy. I mean intelligence can be attractive but I think when he's just uhbuhburhburhbuhbahbah"- how'd that go again Phil?
47:30 "He's got that walrus mustache."- Dan
47:36 Phil is liking Mat: made banana bread, funny, sensitive and Craig: friend from college, quite funny, and doesn't really fit in with the snarffle snarffle something
47:47 Dan likes the tall dark mysterious stranger ("Really?" asks Phil surprised, like it wasn't obvious) cracking inappropriate jokes is literally himself, thinks the darkness might be a pretense and that he could be really soft and vulnerable on the inside "WHO KNOWS?!" Hmmm.

[somethingsketchy]

Thanks for the timestamps autumnhearth, they were really funny!

Now, people shaming Dan for not knowing how to cook pasta when he first moved out got me thinking. (Or rather, my baby brother moving out later today to go to uni got me thinking, and now I've got an excuse to talk about my musings that are probably bordering on off-topic but here we go anyway.)

I'm not really that shocked that Dan didn't know that you need water to cook pasta. My dad always uses himself as a warning example when giving me and my brother life advise because when he first went to uni, he didn't even know that you're supposed to scrub potatoes before cooking them so he had ended up with disgusting, soily food. His mum, my grandma, hadn't taught him any housework skills for the sole reason that he was a boy, and while I'm not accusing Dan's parents of consciously denying him of knowledge of useful adulting skills, they probably were affected by the social norm stating that men don't belong in the kitchen. I mean, my parents have actively tried to teach me (a girl) and my brother (a boy) all the same skills, but in the end, when I moved out four years ago, I was far more prepared for living on my own than my brother is now.

Social norms obviously affect not only how we are socialised at home but also at school, through media and so on, so if you think about Dan's situation from a wider perspective, it starts to make sense. Of course, it's always possible that Dan just hadn't wanted to learn useful skills before moving out despite his parents' best attempts, but even his possible disinterest in housework would've been affected by social norms. Free will is largely an illusion and all that jazz.

[capybantsa]

Dan looks really handsome in the Dream Daddy video

[Stakhanov]

I loved the video. I think the game is funny as hell and the romancing is relatable While they may talk to each other less than in other video's because there's so much text to read out, I prefer their comments in games like this or undertale, i think they are more revealing and genuine than the *top domestic bantz* they put out in the sims.
The humor of the game meshes well with their own. It's witty, steeped in popular culture and they don't hesitate to turn a whole scene into a pun battle. Couldn't think of anyone else who does that . Also, i've got the feeling that they are into the story. Especially Dan has been vocal about that. It's like they are personally involved into quest of finding a the right dream daddy...

Some things that stood out to me the morning after (i've already forgot loads)

- I felt Dan was almost painfully honest at 37:30 when talking about Robert: " It's like me" .. joking, double joking than triple joking" "and then everyone's just like.. wow. Do you have a personality? Or are you just hiding it under layers of humor as a defense mechanism" [followed by his signature self-realization stare]. To which Phil very sweetly says "Don't worry Dan" and Dan says "eh I'm kidding".
I'm not convinced you were Dan :mrgreen:

-Phil gaving a rare glimpse into his personal preferences when he says that intelligence CAN be attractive but not in the way Hugo tries to show it.

- The way they commented on all the characters is revealing. Dan and Phil aren't impressed easily, that's obvious to me. Looks like if you were to meet them, the best chance you have of them liking you is just sitting in the corner and not trying to be cool or edgy in any way. Just say you're cool as a cucumber :mrgreen:
It's a vibe I often get from them. Hence, I guess, why for the moment they seem to like Mat the best even though (Dan) found him a bit to Hipster.
At 23:33 when they have to pick who to talk to and Phil says 'I think this is like one of the first important decisions" we get some insight and a short review of all of them :p and they seem to more or less make the same judgements about everyone.

There's plenty of other stuff, I say give it a shot even if you think it's not for you. Just following the game is funny by itself. Can't wait for the next epsiode, i'm refraining from watching other youtubers play the following chapters just because I want to see my dads talking about their dads first

[Stakhanov]

Thanks for the timestamps autumnhearth, they were really funny!

Now, people shaming Dan for not knowing how to cook pasta when he first moved out got me thinking. (Or rather, my baby brother moving out later today to go to uni got me thinking, and now I've got an excuse to talk about my musings that are probably bordering on off-topic but here we go anyway.)

I'm not really that shocked that Dan didn't know that you need water to cook pasta. My dad always uses himself as a warning example when giving me and my brother life advise because when he first went to uni, he didn't even know that you're supposed to scrub potatoes before cooking them so he had ended up with disgusting, soily food. His mum, my grandma, hadn't taught him any housework skills for the sole reason that he was a boy, and while I'm not accusing Dan's parents of consciously denying him of knowledge of useful adulting skills, they probably were affected by the social norm stating that men don't belong in the kitchen. I mean, my parents have actively tried to teach me (a girl) and my brother (a boy) all the same skills, but in the end, when I moved out four years ago, I was far more prepared for living on my own than my brother is now.

Social norms obviously affect not only how we are socialised at home but also at school, through media and so on, so if you think about Dan's situation from a wider perspective, it starts to make sense. Of course, it's always possible that Dan just hadn't wanted to learn useful skills before moving out despite his parents' best attempts, but even his possible disinterest in housework would've been affected by social norms. Free will is largely an illusion and all that jazz.

Wait, Dan didn't know you need water to cook pasta? I thought he said he didn't know that he was supposed to thin the dressing so he burned through that rather fast?
I'm trying to wrap my mind about how you can live for 18 years on this planet and not be at least dimly aware of some food preperation knowledge. Like that you don't bake pasta and that you're supposed to peel potatoes ? Are these the people who search 'how to cook bread' in google :mrgreen: ?

Also yes Dan gave some more *rare* info about his family and what he says about moving out and how .. absence makes the heart grow fonder strikes me as true.
It made me think again that Dan very likely gets along just fine with his family, and does have a warm relationship with them. It's often contrasted with Phil's family who appear to be even more tightly knit. But i think it's more reflective of their own personality. Phil is straightforward in how much he likes his family, and the Lester's seem to support one another without making much of a fuzz about it. Dan and his fam may be a bit more complex, I don't think necessarily the fundamentals are that different (i think they both come from loving families, basically) but like with many other things Dan likes to spend some time on the shadow side of things, and is more vocal about points of criticism and shortcomings that their parenting might have had.
IN effect, they're both lucky people family wise, and I do think they know that. As becomes apparent the moment there's a conflict between their audience and their own ideas (Adrian, them being pretty much very private about it all xept for a couple of mom cameo's ...)

[nephilimcat]

I know literally nothing about Dream Daddy, so I'm enjoying the videos! My one complaint though is that the game itself is slightly too text-heavy, and at times I felt that there were scenes that didn't necessarily contribute much to the story/felt like they were dragging things on (the vomit flashback at the mall, for example, or the bit with Amanda and Daisy playing at the cookout). But that's a criticism of the game, not Dan and Phil.

I thought the same thing. I also don't think the game is ideal for playing it on your channel opposed to playing it by yourself.

And I saw a bit of PJ and Sophie playing it and they were really confused when things happened that you couldn't see on screen and were just mentioned, like the cookies Joseph brought them. I feel like they went in not really knowing anything about the game and Dan and Phil were aware of that beforehand because I certainly did not expect that much text and almost no animation. You really have to use your imagination a lot and I think that's something you either like or don't.
Nevertheless, I think it's a game I'd enjoy playing by myself but not so much watching other people play. But since I don't want to spend money on it, I'll just watch Deppy and hope they choose things I'm happy with

What sometimes annoys me is when Dan is way too fast for Phil to read and he has to finish the sentence for him, like slow down just a bit. I get why they go so fast but it's a bit exhausting to watch. And I can't believe Phil wouldn't even say "shit" as a different character, like, come on Phil!

[Stakhanov]

Thanks for the stamps dizzy.

Timestamps from Dream Daddy 2:

:55 - Phil likes the guy with hipster music taste who bakes, is awkward, and talks too much.
1:12 - Dan likes the guy who is just really wholesome.
2:01 - Dan and Phil do not work out first thing in the morning.
2:27 - Two messages is a little desperate, according to Phil.
3:01 - Being late for everything. That's Dan and Phil. (Parents evening recollections.)
3:52 - The Youth is what Phil wanted to look like at college.
5:03 - "He's gonna get the cane out." Dan gives the camera a look, Phil just snickers. No apologies or evasion with that innuendo.
It's like they are oddly familiar with that alternative script

9:45 - Dan mentions his grandma follows him on twitter.
15:10 - They would both rather go to Bed, Bath and Beyond than a Hot Topic ripoff.
??:?? - Dan thinks Mary is #goals.
21:48 - Phil can't decide if Robert is rustic or rugged.
23:08 - Phil is excited to see Mat.

25:24 - Dan burned pasta because he didn't know you had to put water in it.
I am shook.

26:05 - Mat is a dreamboat (according to Phil).
30:01 - From Dan's experience, the moment you stop living with your parents you love your family.
39:01 - "Stick to the roleplay!"
44:01 - Wine and Dine Mastermind sounds like something they'd watch, according to Dan.
45:19 - Steven Universe mention.
46:57 - The bedroom is a lot tidier than Phil's. (.......... kay.)

This is gonna be a fun one to fact check as we slowly get more info, pics... evidence about the house and it's many, many rooms

[somethingsketchy]

Thanks for the timestamps autumnhearth, they were really funny!

Now, people shaming Dan for not knowing how to cook pasta when he first moved out got me thinking. (Or rather, my baby brother moving out later today to go to uni got me thinking, and now I've got an excuse to talk about my musings that are probably bordering on off-topic but here we go anyway.)

I'm not really that shocked that Dan didn't know that you need water to cook pasta. My dad always uses himself as a warning example when giving me and my brother life advise because when he first went to uni, he didn't even know that you're supposed to scrub potatoes before cooking them so he had ended up with disgusting, soily food. His mum, my grandma, hadn't taught him any housework skills for the sole reason that he was a boy, and while I'm not accusing Dan's parents of consciously denying him of knowledge of useful adulting skills, they probably were affected by the social norm stating that men don't belong in the kitchen. I mean, my parents have actively tried to teach me (a girl) and my brother (a boy) all the same skills, but in the end, when I moved out four years ago, I was far more prepared for living on my own than my brother is now.

Social norms obviously affect not only how we are socialised at home but also at school, through media and so on, so if you think about Dan's situation from a wider perspective, it starts to make sense. Of course, it's always possible that Dan just hadn't wanted to learn useful skills before moving out despite his parents' best attempts, but even his possible disinterest in housework would've been affected by social norms. Free will is largely an illusion and all that jazz.

Wait, Dan didn't know you need water to cook pasta? I thought he said he didn't know that he was supposed to thin the dressing so he burned through that rather fast?
I'm trying to wrap my mind about how you can live for 18 years on this planet and not be at least dimly aware of some food preperation knowledge. Like that you don't bake pasta and that you're supposed to peel potatoes ? Are these the people who search 'how to cook bread' in google :mrgreen: ?

I probably just misheard or misunderstood something!

[Stakhanov]

No he did actually somehow survive his teen years, home alone, with only food and games to keep him company yet mysteriously unaware of the basic fact that you're supposed to add water to dry pasta and cook it?
I mean, does he ever look at pasta? Does he not appreciate it's moist and wet
nature? Has living years with cheesophobic Phil made him blind to the beauty of an al dente bowl of carbs? Does he just eat microwaved popcorn all day?

Thank you @autumnhearth and @alittledizzie for making me doubt Dan's general adulting capabilities and also how the fuck does he manage to make wok up some pretty ok looking dishes in some vids yet not know of pasta. This makes no sense to me. Is he pulling one on me? Is he actually a rat turned human? To many questions.

[somethingsketchy]

No he did actually somehow survive his teen years, home alone, with only food and games to keep him company yet mysteriously unaware of the basic fact that you're supposed to add water to dry pasta and cook it?
I mean, does he ever look at pasta? Does he not appreciate it's moist and wet
nature? Has living years with cheesophobic Phil made him blind to the beauty of an al dente bowl of carbs? Does he just eat microwaved popcorn all day?

Thank you @autumnhearth and @alittledizzie for making me doubt Dan's general adulting capabilities and also how the fuck does he manage to make wok up some pretty ok looking dishes in some vids yet not know of pasta. This makes no sense to me. Is he pulling one on me? Is he actually a rat turned human? To many questions.

I've always been under the impression that mac&cheese is a thing only in North America, so Phil hating cheese probably has nothing to do with Dan's pasta eating or cooking habits. Like in Northern Europe where I live, mac&cheese only exists in American teen movies and The Sims.

[citizen_erased]

No he did actually somehow survive his teen years, home alone, with only food and games to keep him company yet mysteriously unaware of the basic fact that you're supposed to add water to dry pasta and cook it?
I mean, does he ever look at pasta? Does he not appreciate it's moist and wet
nature? Has living years with cheesophobic Phil made him blind to the beauty of an al dente bowl of carbs? Does he just eat microwaved popcorn all day?

Thank you @autumnhearth and @alittledizzie for making me doubt Dan's general adulting capabilities and also how the fuck does he manage to make wok up some pretty ok looking dishes in some vids yet not know of pasta. This makes no sense to me. Is he pulling one on me? Is he actually a rat turned human? To many questions.

I thought he meant that he didn't know this when he moved out for uni, but considering he mentioned it himself I assume he now does know you need to add water. Probably learned it after the first time he burned it. Which makes me wonder what happens when you try to cook pasta without water. Does anyone know? Do the bottom ones just turn black? Does anything catch fire? Do you have to throw the pan out? My parents taught me and my siblings to cook from a very young age (I had to help peeling potatoes when I couldn't even reach the countertop yet) so I don't really know what it's like to be this not-selfsufficient. That said, my brother has managed to burn soup and I've known people who set their own hair on fire while cooking an instant meal, so I suppose anything's possible.

From the few glances we've ever had at their fridge/cooking/general adulting, it seems to me they generally do alright. (There was one moment, I don't remember when, when they showed a fridge just full with veggies and it made my health-conscious little heart really happy.)

Also, @somethingsketchy, do you never put cheese on any pasta dishes? I also live in Northern (Western? Northwest? IDK) Europe but there's definitely a lot of pasta dishes that we put a ton of cheese on. I often buy a small bag of cheese to put on my own pasta as my parents don't really like it.

[Catallena]

No he did actually somehow survive his teen years, home alone, with only food and games to keep him company yet mysteriously unaware of the basic fact that you're supposed to add water to dry pasta and cook it?
I mean, does he ever look at pasta? Does he not appreciate it's moist and wet
nature? Has living years with cheesophobic Phil made him blind to the beauty of an al dente bowl of carbs? Does he just eat microwaved popcorn all day?

Thank you @autumnhearth and @alittledizzie for making me doubt Dan's general adulting capabilities and also how the fuck does he manage to make wok up some pretty ok looking dishes in some vids yet not know of pasta. This makes no sense to me. Is he pulling one on me? Is he actually a rat turned human? To many questions.

I've always been under the impression that mac&cheese is a thing only in North America, so Phil hating cheese probably has nothing to do with Dan's pasta eating or cooking habits. Like in Northern Europe where I live, mac&cheese only exists in American teen movies and The Sims.

Italians definitely put cheese on pasta tho.. just not in the pasta drowned in cheese sauce way Americans do.

[somethingsketchy]

Also, @somethingsketchy, do you never put cheese on any pasta dishes? I also live in Northern (Western? Northwest? IDK) Europe but there's definitely a lot of pasta dishes that we put a ton of cheese on. I often buy a small bag of cheese to put on my own pasta as my parents don't really like it.

We do put cheese in pasta dishes, but mac&cheese is a specific dish that we don't have. As far as I know, in America it's often made out of these just-add-water mixes that you basically just put in a pot, mix with some water and then heat up.

[Stakhanov]

Hm. I live in Belgium and i too only know mac and cheese from the movies. It's the same as spaghetti and meatballs which doesn't exist here either as a dish (spaghetti carbonari is very popular and similar though). But the "traditional" way of eating spaghetti here is with lot's of sauce (way more than an Italian would add) and cheese. I love it. I mean i'm the kind of guy that splurges on a piece of parmigiano reggiano just to grate it all up on one meal
Now I wonder what the pasta eating habbits in the uk are. I guess they either didn't like pasta or didn't really cook home meals regularly at the Howells.
For clarity the comment about Phil being part of the explanation was a joke, i was just browsing through his answers on the infamous Customerservicedepartment blog ( as compiled here http://indepthbants.com/topic291.html) and read his pasta-related answer:

im-a-danosaur-hear-me-roar asked:
This is a question that has been bothering the Phandom for a LONG time. Do you like pasta?

danisnotonfire:
yes but i don’t eat it that often because phil is cheese phobic

Doesn't really sound like much of a culinary sacrifice now the truth about his shameful pasta burning is revealed :mrgreen:

In general though, i wonder what people think of their eating habbits? I think they order takeaway a lot. They love food, they are lazy af, they don't have to mind the money and they live in central London where the choice is overwhelming. Have we even seen a kitchen yet? Is any actual cooking being done on the breakfast bar?

[onceinaugust]

This seems like a tweet that's a result of Phil winning a gaming challenge.

[JustMe]

This seems like a tweet that's a result of Phil winning a gaming challenge.

Was just about to mention that. Wonder if it's another #spon..

[plath]

Lmao that tweet is definitely someone else or something they made Dan tweet lmao. Tbh Dan is slightly annoying with his preference for blond/es.

[000dia000]

stupid long rant about pasta

Dan trying to cook pasta without water doesn't surprise me. Usually it's the responsibility of someone's patents to teach a child how to cook, but sometimes some people just don't retain any knowledge or skill. My mother didn't discriminate between my brother and I, so we were taught the same basics, yet I could tell in the case if my brother that if you don't take an early and active interest you don't actually retain any of this information and then in ten years time you struggle at the most basic tasks. I think Dan was like it, he was lucky to be in a household where he never had to take up the responsibility to cook for other people, nor had the foresight to know it would be useful. Just Dan's stories of the lack of responsibility he had in his work as a teen pretty much reflects the kind of initiative he had (none).

Someone, sometime ago, made a point that in one of the baking videos Dan struggled to turn on the hob and Phil had to step in to help. Therefore implying that Phil might be the one who cooks the most out of the two if them (also in Dan's liveshows where Phil could be heard cooking in the kitchen in the background.) Maybe Phil had more opportunities to self-teach? Maybe he played attention when he was younger? I certainly don't peg this as the Lester's being amazing and demonizing the Howells. It's not that at all, we don't know the circumstances of either. It is more looking at how Dan and Phil may have respectively had time to grow and learn these skills by themselves over time. Something I think Phil has had more practise with.

Regarding cheese and pasta, people outside the US don't really eat Mac and Cheese, and if they do they for full out with a Carbonara. I think people eat pasta with a bolognese sauce or in other cases a thin sauce of something like pesto? I think UK people typically drown their pasta in tomato sauce. But it really depends. I think Dan doesn't cheese a lot in things like sandwiches. Doesn't Phil like cheese on pizza? Dan really needs to go in depth about the food they eat.

I always stuck Dan (and Phil) as the type to get those half-ready meals, like Dolmio pasta sauces and packets and just sort of wing it when cutting up peppers (and other limited range of vegetables they use) into the wok and do it from there. I certainly don't think they could cook from scratch and would be useless without jarred sauces.

In response to StakhanovWe never hear them talk about food much now except for candy, unusual snacks, or take-aways like pizza and Indian food. We've only ever seen them cook prepackaged American-Mexican food and Dan has eaten a lot of salads. I'm half convinced from their body types that they survive entirely on bread, cereal, and sugary coffee. Sugar. Sugar.
Sugar. Phil eats so much candy. Dan actually scolds him at points. I don't think they have the best diet, to put it mildly.