Dan & Phil Part 47: Do it with Dan!

[Artdefines06]

I am loving these recent videos - I think a week long vacation was definitely good for them, they are so much more relaxed and the bants are just rolling. If this content is what we get, by all means take more vacations lol.

BTW, the are gamers good in bed convo had me thinking about this scene from revenge of the nerds

[SquishPhan]

I really enjoyed that video. Phil seemed to really enjoy playing it, which made it even more fun for me to watch. I also like that Phil is better at this game than Dan.

Phil did not enjoy Dan cracking his knuckles.

Dan clearly does not think that cats are better than dogs.

I loved Phil’s conspiracy about the Loch Ness Monster being an elephant.

I like it when Phil gets a bit bossy.

Phil being cute about Santa.

Them talking about if gamers are good in bed was interesting.

[malday]

alrady enjoying this video. the 'my boyfriend can't option that they censored intrigued me so i looked it up and it's 'my boyfriend can't come inside me' as seen in this video (4:52 if you're curious):

which makes me laugh a little harder at dan saying it was 'tickle my bum'

That's not what they censored. The answers are different.
It was probably can't make me ****. Interesting that Dan automatically thought of a "lady" having that issue .

[loonyradish]

I liked the video, too!
And I made some notes while watching this time

The part at 1:28 was great, when D&P had different opinions on which answer was correct, and instead of Dan just picking "his" option (which, tbh, is usually what happens) they had this nice edit with the dramatic music in the background I liked the whole balance in the video when it came to choosing an answer, actually!

Also I enjoyed the Big Foot talk!

I got a bit annoyed by the blurring of the "my boyfriend can't come inside me"-answer, as I got really curious and actually had to stop the video to play the game myself and find out what it says (but I didn't get to the right question, so thanks a lot awugar for saving me).

The part at 7:37 was also fun, with Dan being all philosophical and stuff, and Phil's just "well, according to science, fire is alive"

And finally the talk about gamers in bed at around 10:00. I love how Phil basically says that gamers can be good in bed, too and it so happens that Dan's more or less a gamer, do you have something to tell us

[autumnhearth]

After being somewhat awol during exam season, I am back and v hyped to finally get a sneak peak of their living room (they actually have windows, who knew?!), with a snazzy tv set up

Ohhh. I take back what I said about the floors from Phil's tweet, they are a lovely light birch, not nearly as yellow as I thought. Look at that wall of windows! At first I was a bit disappointed that they blocked the corner with their tv, but it's probably positioned best to not get glare. It's so light and airy and I'm so happy for them, I was beginning to suspect that the rooms were smaller than their old place. (Well Phil's is obvs).

I enjoyed their interactions/reactions in the gaming video. Going to watch it again soon. But I laughed at their little face off moment at the beginning. It felt a lot like the double ooos. Staged and cheesy, but I like it. Other moments felt very soft and subtle. There a couple sexual mentions that Phil just felt really relaxed? And wise? I dunno. But then there was the elephants. Like wtf? They can't just live and procreate underwater. Oh and Dan's deep thoughts on life from the rocks question, panning in with the white flecks (stars?) effects, felt like a better version of existential crisis!Dan.

[saffarinda]

the face off moment was so hilarious, it really made me appreciate the editing lmao. phil's conspiracy theories are so funny omg, i'm as cynical as dan but i'll never stop loving them - the elephants and fire had me dying (and way he stopped dan at santa was an adorable moment).

11:08 "Dan. Get me a ribena. Go get me some snacks" Dans momentary done expression, then his lil smile when Phil goes "Oh! Look where this came from" - what a fond moment.

Also, Dan watching the "debate" made me pleased bc I was as well, that audience mann I was 100% done with their "Would you press the button" questions ugh.

[pastelspectre]

yooo i love the video! it's hilarious. i'm frickin cackling at the jokes they're making they're so funny and their bants are on point today

[sugar]

alrady enjoying this video. the 'my boyfriend can't option that they censored intrigued me so i looked it up and it's 'my boyfriend can't come inside me' as seen in this video (4:52 if you're curious):

which makes me laugh a little harder at dan saying it was 'tickle my bum'

That's not what they censored. The answers are different.
It was probably can't make me ****. Interesting that Dan automatically thought of a "lady" having that issue .

oh, good to know! still makes me laugh.

and is it just me or is the way that they talk about 'men being unable to....finish a lady's......process' sound like people that haven't had been with a girl in a veeery long time

[alittledizzy]

Because it is a delightfully slow end to my work day, timestamps:

:25 - Poop, sex, and death.
:45 - (1) "help my p..."
:59 - Dan objects to penis not being an option.
1:29 - Dan and Phil showdown. (Phil wants to fite.)
1:48 - Dan popping his knuckles; Phil's reaction is my reaction.
1:58 - (2) "why can't i"
2:23 - They both laugh tiny little laughs at the word poop.
2:47 - (3) "is big"
2:57 - Dan the skeptic, Phil the conspiracy theorist.
3:12 - Phil expertly winding Dan up about the Loch Ness elephant. I admire his dedication to the story.
3:50 - Don't get Phil started on Avril Lavigne's clone.
3:59 - (Or it's a liopleurodon. Because you CAN make old references, Dan.)
4:00 - (4) "can i be a j"
4:37 - (5) "my boyfriend can"
4:39 - censorinod; also, I love this entire answer portion
5:04 - "Men being unable to-" "Do things." "-finish a lady's-" "Stop it!" "Process." "Process?" and then the cutest little shove from Phil.
5:18 - (6) "are your p"
5:34 - Robot Phil confirmed.
5:42 - Phil starting the pick up line, Dan finishing it and grinning and fingerpointing at Phil. Obviously, context, but also: damn. So cute.
6:21 - "No one watching this is three, Phil."
6:35 - (7) "can i shoot"
7:06 - Guns are bad. Don't kill owls.
7:09 - (8) "are rocks"
7:37 - Existential contemplation with Dan.
7:51 - Phil said dizzy. Hehe.
8:02 - Phil fails to break Dan's mind with his concept of fire being alive.
8:21 - (8) "are g"
8:36 - Dan: "But I wanted to contemplate genetically modified things." Phil, in the most patient voice ever: "Lets not do that today."
8:39 - (9) "are there any g"
8:52 - Phil correcting Dan about it being a hacker and not someone who wants bird flu.
9:06 - Phil's second choice answer is 'gay country singers.'
9:07 - One of those moments where Dan says Phil's name and Phil seems to respond as though Dan might be about to say something to him and not for the video.
9:12 - Dan's scrunchy face at sports.
9:14 - (10) "why are white"
9:17 - Dan: "I don't know Phil, why do you exist?"
9:30 - Dan: "Protect the environment." Topical.
9:32 - Phil teasing Dan for a misspeak.
9:50 - (11) "are gamers" - Dan eyes the camera and Phil is laughing at the question.
9:55 - Dan: "I have hand cramp but good reactions."
10:00 - Dan making an actual case to Phil as to why someone who games is better in bed, Phil intently listening. (Dan's face goes so pink.)
10:46 - (12) "my mind is be"
11:10 - Phil controls Dan's mind.
11:34 - (13) "millennials are killing"
11:36 - Dan goes straight to 'the yiff industry.'
12:15 - (14) "is this f"
12:47 - Phil anticipates Dan is reaching the end of his tunnel.
13:26 - (15) "why are b"
14:17 - (16) "is a"
15:00 - Rating system at the top of the page shows that they answered 23 questions total.

[demonpanda]

I'm so confused about the "apartment". In dans pic you can see there is a wall and leaves behind the window which indicate the room is on 2nd or 3rd floor. But in phil's tweet he talked about the lift??? Why did he need to use the lift??? And he said my apartment not our apartment?? Are they living separately???

[itsonlybeth]

alrady enjoying this video. the 'my boyfriend can't option that they censored intrigued me so i looked it up and it's 'my boyfriend can't come inside me' as seen in this video (4:52 if you're curious):

which makes me laugh a little harder at dan saying it was 'tickle my bum'

That's not what they censored. The answers are different.
It was probably can't make me ****. Interesting that Dan automatically thought of a "lady" having that issue .

oh, good to know! still makes me laugh.

and is it just me or is the way that they talk about 'men being unable to....finish a lady's......process' sound like people that haven't had been with a girl in a veeery long time

Not to sound anti phan, but I really think they were just trying hard to continue the censorship, and I found it interesting how non explicit they were there, they must be so aware of their young audience! The censorship seemed very unlike Dan, feel like they might have had a bit of a discussion on that one before they started 'reacting' on camera, like Phil might have had to convince Dan to censor the whole section.

All in all, it was my favourite DAPG video for a long time, possibly since gang beasts! Finding it hard to believe that they filmed it since being on holiday, they were both whiter than sheets! Maybe it's just that great lighting...

[sugar]

I'm so confused about the "apartment". In dans pic you can see there is a wall and leaves behind the window which indicate the room is on 2nd or 3rd floor. But in phil's tweet he talked about the lift??? Why did he need to use the lift??? And he said my apartment not our apartment?? Are they living separately???

1) trees can certainly be higher than the second or third floor.
2) if i didn't live on the first floor i'd most likely take the elevator anyway. maybe he was carrying things an didn't feel like taking the stairs. they lived in a place with way too many stairs for like 5 years, they have every right to take the available elevator if they want to.
3) the room from one of phil's instagram pics appears to be the same room.
4) i live with both my parents but i still call it my house when i'm talking about it to others.

i don't see how this could lead you to thinking that they live separately.

[lost686girl]

To me it looks like another buildings rooftop garden

[DatCog]

I'm so confused about the "apartment". In dans pic you can see there is a wall and leaves behind the window which indicate the room is on 2nd or 3rd floor. But in phil's tweet he talked about the lift??? Why did he need to use the lift??? And he said my apartment not our apartment?? Are they living separately???

Their building probably has upper floors above their flat. I don't blame Phil for taking advantage of the lift...perhaps he had shopping or just couldn't be arsed to go up a couple flights of stairs ( v relatable to me )

[sugar]

alrady enjoying this video. the 'my boyfriend can't option that they censored intrigued me so i looked it up and it's 'my boyfriend can't come inside me' as seen in this video (4:52 if you're curious):

which makes me laugh a little harder at dan saying it was 'tickle my bum'

That's not what they censored. The answers are different.
It was probably can't make me ****. Interesting that Dan automatically thought of a "lady" having that issue .

oh, good to know! still makes me laugh.

and is it just me or is the way that they talk about 'men being unable to....finish a lady's......process' sound like people that haven't had been with a girl in a veeery long time

Not to sound anti phan, but I really think they were just trying hard to continue the censorship, and I found it interesting how non explicit they were there, they must be so aware of their young audience! The censorship seemed very unlike Dan, feel like they might have had a bit of a discussion on that one before they started 'reacting' on camera, like Phil might have had to convince Dan to censor the whole section.

All in all, it was my favourite DAPG video for a long time, possibly since gang beasts! Finding it hard to believe that they filmed it since being on holiday, they were both whiter than sheets! Maybe it's just that great lighting...

i thought of that as well, it had a vibe of both for me. however, i don't really see how what they sensored is that much more vulgar than 'get me off'. they both mean the same thing. dan constantly talks about furries and kinks on the gaming channel which i'm sure some people end up searching. so if they'd have left it people would either have known what it meant already or maybe had to look it up. but i think the same goes for the one that they left so. i'm not sure. anyone else have an opinion on that?

[sparkle]

I loved the new video - I do wish they'd do more 'proper' games or challenges (like GTA or Halo) but I loved it just the same. I do love playing these sorts of games with my girlfriend and I enjoy seeing other peoples minds work in these situations.

Also can I say I love how Phil made the comments about Santa but was also more adult in the discussion of the obviously sexual elements. Can we have more 'adult' Phil please. I was watching him in the tipsy talk video earlier and I think he is so much more relatable to me (as an adult) when he is being more explicitly adult, even if that means he swears more or gets angry more. I do love Phil but I wish he would try more risqué things.

[loonyradish]

alrady enjoying this video. the 'my boyfriend can't option that they censored intrigued me so i looked it up and it's 'my boyfriend can't come inside me' as seen in this video (4:52 if you're curious):

which makes me laugh a little harder at dan saying it was 'tickle my bum'

That's not what they censored. The answers are different.
It was probably can't make me ****. Interesting that Dan automatically thought of a "lady" having that issue .

oh, good to know! still makes me laugh.

and is it just me or is the way that they talk about 'men being unable to....finish a lady's......process' sound like people that haven't had been with a girl in a veeery long time

Not to sound anti phan, but I really think they were just trying hard to continue the censorship, and I found it interesting how non explicit they were there, they must be so aware of their young audience! The censorship seemed very unlike Dan, feel like they might have had a bit of a discussion on that one before they started 'reacting' on camera, like Phil might have had to convince Dan to censor the whole section.

All in all, it was my favourite DAPG video for a long time, possibly since gang beasts! Finding it hard to believe that they filmed it since being on holiday, they were both whiter than sheets! Maybe it's just that great lighting...

i thought of that as well, it had a vibe of both for me. however, i don't really see how what they sensored is that much more vulgar than 'get me off'. they both mean the same thing. dan constantly talks about furries and kinks on the gaming channel which i'm sure some people end up searching. so if they'd have left it people would either have known what it meant already or maybe had to look it up. but i think the same goes for the one that they left so. i'm not sure. anyone else have an opinion on that?

Same over here, was really surprised by the censored part. I mean, they also censor it when using swearwords by putting this "beep"-sound over it. But still, I think it comes a little to late, for the people who watch Dan's videos especially? Also I think the audience is at least 11 years old mostly? We had sexual education in fourth class (~9 to 10 years old), and even if it varies from country to country of course, the sentence they blurred isn't one I would classify as disturbing for kids.

[xaephan]

Wow, every time I say 'I don't think there will be a video', they go and prove me wrong. It's full of light-hearted and fun banter, so I enjoyed it. Not one I'll rewatch a lot (maybe once or twice because their discussion is fun and I was watching the screen more than dnp in some parts), but one of the good ones. I don't think I have much to say that hasn't already been said, but the 'lady process' part made me laugh a whole lot. There are much less awkward yet still censored way to say that, articulate Daniel.

I straight up cackled about the hockey question. My other major interest at the moment is rooting for the Penguins to win the Cup again (and being so superstitious about my game-day routine that I might as well rival Crosby himself). I never thought these two fandoms would cross streams, so that was a nice little surprise.

[saffarinda]

alrady enjoying this video. the 'my boyfriend can't option that they censored intrigued me so i looked it up and it's 'my boyfriend can't come inside me' as seen in this video (4:52 if you're curious):

which makes me laugh a little harder at dan saying it was 'tickle my bum'

That's not what they censored. The answers are different.
It was probably can't make me ****. Interesting that Dan automatically thought of a "lady" having that issue .

oh, good to know! still makes me laugh.

and is it just me or is the way that they talk about 'men being unable to....finish a lady's......process' sound like people that haven't had been with a girl in a veeery long time

Not to sound anti phan, but I really think they were just trying hard to continue the censorship, and I found it interesting how non explicit they were there, they must be so aware of their young audience! The censorship seemed very unlike Dan, feel like they might have had a bit of a discussion on that one before they started 'reacting' on camera, like Phil might have had to convince Dan to censor the whole section.

All in all, it was my favourite DAPG video for a long time, possibly since gang beasts! Finding it hard to believe that they filmed it since being on holiday, they were both whiter than sheets! Maybe it's just that great lighting...

i thought of that as well, it had a vibe of both for me. however, i don't really see how what they sensored is that much more vulgar than 'get me off'. they both mean the same thing. dan constantly talks about furries and kinks on the gaming channel which i'm sure some people end up searching. so if they'd have left it people would either have known what it meant already or maybe had to look it up. but i think the same goes for the one that they left so. i'm not sure. anyone else have an opinion on that?

Same over here, was really surprised by the censored part. I mean, they also censor it when using swearwords by putting this "beep"-sound over it. But still, I think it comes a little to late, for the people who watch Dan's videos especially? Also I think the audience is at least 11 years old mostly? We had sexual education in fourth class (~9 to 10 years old), and even if it varies from country to country of course, the sentence they blurred isn't one I would classify as disturbing for kids.

Whilst I would normally agree with you, I have a friend whos little brother watches their sims videos and videos akin to them (google feud and the like). He's around 5-6, quiet young and just watches them (the gaming channel videos) because he likes the games, so censoring is useful in instances such as his. I think in general gaming channels have typically either younger or cruder audiences, depending on who you market your videos towards - Dan and Phil picked their niche (which exists within their regular brand anyway) and they're stuck with it unless they wished to steadily rebrand - but why would they? The "Dan and Phil" brand has brought them success due to the contrasting personalities, any rebrand with more explicit conversations/less censorship would be taken with caution and hesitancy if they wanted to potentially cut off a portion of their audience.

Obvs I don't think they should be forced to censor themselves, and Phil has expressed subtle discontent at the "innocent, no-swearing" box he has built for himself, but the dynamics work. People enjoy the juxtaposition, yet harmony, in their personalities. I think it's the balance that makes them so popular.

putting more irrelevant ramble under a spoiler before this gets long.

I feel as though a majority of people who are introduced to dnp, from what i've observed in comments, find Dan as the one they relate to. His cruder, light-hearted self-depricating humour -his exasperation with Phil when he makes a comment. Phil balances out the "Dan" persona, he has the "innocence" and innuendos that Dan often lacks, the "naivety" which people either take seriously, or understand that he is hyping it up for humour (which is fine).

Phil's persona is where a majority of casual fans automatically lean towards Dan, especially younger ones. They see his more explicit humour and relate to it, sometimes scorning Phil for his "innocence". Then come in the fans who proclaim Phil an "innocent pure angel bean" and "ohmygod phil SWORE?! this ray of sunshine could never swear oh my goddd" - however, many of them take the sense of superiority. They understand what Phil is saying, and are shocked that Phil could ever come close to saying ANYTHING wrong, and honestly act quite condescending.

Those are the personalities and reactions I've observed at face value.

Obvs as we get into liveshows and old content, peoples opinions tend to change. Dan suddenly appears more insightful, intelligent, softer than his "danisnotonfire" (oops lmao) persona. People's appreciation for him turns from just appreciating his sardonic sense of humour to a more personal, softer tone.

The thing that's different about Phil, is that although he does become slightly more relaxed in, say, liveshows, the personality change isn't as drastic (unless ur us and can psychoanalyse every sentence). So people still only observe Phil at face-value and continue to treat him the same as prior - even upon seeing his nature in old 2009/2010 images, screenshots etc. it's met with surprise and often not much character change.

So people find the balance in the humour, in the innuendos, in the personalities. People can pick to favour Dan's edgier sense of humour, or Phil for his innocence and oddities.

It's the first thing you see in almost anything they send to the wide public. They introduce themseleves, Phil says something slightly socially unacceptable/filled with innuendos, Dan is silent staring at Phil, before he repeats his phrase in a high-pitched tone, Phil describes it, Dan reacts with incredulity before they continue and finish the video.

It's 2:30am, I'm tired and thinking.

tldr; Phil's lack of actual personality prevents people from favouring him. They favour Dan simply because of his personality being more open. Make a good duo due to the balance in humour.

blablah idk it's late n in tired, i have loads of more articulate opinions regarding this topic, esp how interviewers, for example, strerotype etc.

[autumnhearth]

I wish I could still edit my post but I do have some things to add.

4:08 I think 'My Horse Prince' has changed Philip's feelings about equines.

(9:47 It looks like Dan starts looking for a lighter to his right, but it could be a coincidence.)

Leading into my favorite part: 'Are gamers... good in bed'

9:56 "You can't just categorize people into certain groups and say that they're good at certain things" -Phil (seriously, wonderful quote, and I'm moved that it's coming from Phil, about sex)

Love, love, love watching Phil react to Dan's explanation of why gamers might be better at "sleeping", but I don't see Dan blushing...

"Nothing wrong with being a nerd." -Phil
"What is a nerd." -Dan (statement more than question)

"It seems like a lot of insecure teenage boys have been on Google-" -Dan
"Aww don't be insecure" -Phil

"Look you can be good on [in] bed and like League of Legends, and you can watch Star Trek and you can respect women and all genders, and be proactive in your life and enjoy some casual video games on the weekend and do good in school, believe in yourselves" -inspirational!Dan

(Okay, I hadn't heard of the yiff industry. Googled that. Now I know.)

I like these games/videos once in awhile because we get to analyze their reactions to humanity. Even if I would prefer more Sims, Golf with afriends, a new longer RPG, board games, Disney Singstar or Guitar Hero/Rock Band (I know there would probably be less bants with the last two, but I wants it)

Also can I say I love how Phil made the comments about Santa but was also more adult in the discussion of the obviously sexual elements. Can we have more 'adult' Phil please. I was watching him in the tipsy talk video earlier and I think he is so much more relatable to me (as an adult) when he is being more explicitly adult, even if that means he swears more or gets angry more. I do love Phil but I wish he would try more risqué things.

Yes! Yes, please.

It's the first thing you see in almost anything they send to the wide public. They introduce themseleves, Phil says something slightly socially unacceptable/filled with innuendos, Dan is silent staring at Phil, before he repeats his phrase in a high-pitched tone, Phil describes it, Dan reacts with incredulity before they continue and finish the video.

Yes! Wonderful insights on their personas. That particular dynamic you mentioned above though is what my husband loves about them. He's mentioned/described it many times. It works, whether it is 100% genuine or not.

I also agree with you on the age/censoring issue. There are several folks on here whose kids, younger siblings or nieces and nephews watch with them, myself included. I pre-watch for content for my almost eight year old and have not shared any of the Google or games of this type with him.

[uglyamerican]

I watch their gaming channel because I'm into D&P and their bants, and not (usually) because of the games they play . I'm a gamer mainly into FPS, so I'm used to profanity (and admittedly have a "mouth on me,") and I'm amused when people complain about swearing on the gaming channels that I subscribe - it comes with the territory. If you don't want your (young) kids hearing it, then be a good parent and kick them off the internet (and don't attempt to influence my experience.)

[Pianist Flutist]

Hmm this reminds me of a quote I heard once (okay bear with me here) "we fall in love with the catcher in the rye at age 15 because we all want to be Holden Caulfield, but fall out of love with it as we get older because we all want to be Atticus Finch now"

Gods I really hope one of the most has read To Kill a Mockingbird.... or Catcher in the Rye (the funny thing is with an English degree Phils probably read classics? Idk how an English major works- I just like reading lol)

But ANYWAY I think that a lot of young viewers find Dan cool and edgy, but as we grow older, we tone down, become more mature, stop thinking that black and negativity is cool, and become kinder, more aware, and stop caring so much what others think.

I'm in no way saying Dan is Holden and Phil is Atticus- they're not nowehere CLOSE to those characters. But I will say, that another funny thing is that Phil acts more immature than Dan does, but it's not hard to see that Dan still wants to sound intelligent, cares what people thing, and okay this is offensives, but he has that irrational sense of maddening superiority and acts as If he's better than EVERYONE around him, including Phil "even Phil can do that" "If Phil can do it then u can do it" and u can argue that it's a joke, but it's obvious that he thinks himself a step much higher than the majority of the population. Okay I am 16 years of age, so I am qualified to say that Dan acts like the kids in our school who use vocabulary words wrong, and try to sound very informed on politics but don't have much knowledge on it and think they're better than everyone's.

Now Phil. He's never... tried to act smart and I wish he would sometimes. He radiate so intelligence in a different way that Dan does; Phil seems to be the one handling drama Better in ls "it's my life" and knowing how to get his audience off topic of controversy like Nanalew by being very lowkey about her (as opposed to not takking about her at all or talking too much) I can't really explain it. He has his degrees, but he rarely talks about them. He reads Stephen King (I've read Stephen Kings Revival- that guy is scary af and I love Horror ) but acts all cutesy and innocent. He knows how to make it obvious that his cuteness and innocence that he overplays is a persona, not really him. Everyone seems to know this. He never gives details, only a basic story to make it seem like he hasn't his life figured out, which I'm sure he does, but I feel if he doesn't he would never allude to it. He's so consciously careful about what he says the only way I'd know who he actually is if he did a ls drunk af. He knows how to play his audience a lot better than dan does. HE plays the innocent part now and it's such a heavy mask that you can see slowly peeling off sometimes. He doesn't want people figuring him out.


And yeah okay I sound v stupid but anyway...... have fun this is my opinion. It's a bit offensive but eh THEYRE cool, but we KNOW Next to nothing about who they actuallly are- re,member that.

[misakichan274]

Haven't felt like posting much for a while recently, but kudos to everything Pianist Flutist has said. You're more articulate than I could ever hope to be.

Hmm this reminds me of a quote I heard once (okay bear with me here) "we fall in love with the catcher in the rye at age 15 because we all want to be Holden Caulfield, but fall out of love with it as we get older because we all want to be Atticus Finch now"

Gods I really hope one of the most has read To Kill a Mockingbird.... or Catcher in the Rye (the funny thing is with an English degree Phils probably read classics? Idk how an English major works- I just like reading lol)

But ANYWAY I think that a lot of young viewers find Dan cool and edgy, but as we grow older, we tone down, become more mature, stop thinking that black and negativity is cool, and become kinder, more aware, and stop caring so much what others think.

I'm in no way saying Dan is Holden and Phil is Atticus- they're not nowehere CLOSE to those characters. But I will say, that another funny thing is that Phil acts more immature than Dan does, but it's not hard to see that Dan still wants to sound intelligent, cares what people thing, and okay this is offensives, but he has that irrational sense of maddening superiority and acts as If he's better than EVERYONE around him, including Phil "even Phil can do that" "If Phil can do it then u can do it" and u can argue that it's a joke, but it's obvious that he thinks himself a step much higher than the majority of the population. Okay I am 16 years of age, so I am qualified to say that Dan acts like the kids in our school who use vocabulary words wrong, and try to sound very informed on politics but don't have much knowledge on it and think they're better than everyone's.

Now Phil. He's never... tried to act smart and I wish he would sometimes. He radiate so intelligence in a different way that Dan does; Phil seems to be the one handling drama Better in ls "it's my life" and knowing how to get his audience off topic of controversy like Nanalew by being very lowkey about her (as opposed to not takking about her at all or talking too much) I can't really explain it. He has his degrees, but he rarely talks about them. He reads Stephen King (I've read Stephen Kings Revival- that guy is scary af and I love Horror ) but acts all cutesy and innocent. He knows how to make it obvious that his cuteness and innocence that he overplays is a persona, not really him. Everyone seems to know this. He never gives details, only a basic story to make it seem like he hasn't his life figured out, which I'm sure he does, but I feel if he doesn't he would never allude to it. He's so consciously careful about what he says the only way I'd know who he actually is if he did a ls drunk af. He knows how to play his audience a lot better than dan does. HE plays the innocent part now and it's such a heavy mask that you can see slowly peeling off sometimes. He doesn't want people figuring him out.


And yeah okay I sound v stupid but anyway...... have fun this is my opinion. It's a bit offensive but eh THEYRE cool, but we KNOW Next to nothing about who they actuallly are- re,member that.

the last line sums up my thoughts so perfectly

[llion]

i find the comments on their dynamic and personalities interesting, so i thought i'd add my take.

re: swearing/vulgarities, i can completely relate to phil's desire to have a clean image online. it reminds me a lot of myself. with close friends, sure, i can be obscene (especially if the friend is that way themselves.) i understand feeling like it's ingenuine or holding him back, but i think it's probably pretty natural to him once the camera's rolling, like i can censor myself in front of grandma. around mixed company i always find it best to lean on the cautious side, and i feel that's all he's doing. i don't think it seems unnatural at all. i feel it's just his preference in how to confidently present himself.

re: edgy!dan, i was one of the kids that liked him bc of the edge. as i've grown with him i now like him more for his more intellectual edge, as he is a sharp boy. i don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that this is why i used to like him, or that some people still like him for that. at this point there's only a true edge because of phil, compared to other youtubers. as already mentioned, the contrast in personality, is a lot of the draw to their content. "dan's the pen and phil's the highlighter that makes him brighter" and all that. cheesily put, but a fair assessment in their dynamic and how they like to come across. (basically i think dan's edginess is virtually nonexistent anymore, and only apparent compared to phil)

which brings me to re: phil's intentions, i don't think his cheery persona makes him seem manipulative or misleading. i think he likes to be the light in someone's day. he tries to keep things as fluffy and cheery as possible for maximum "be happy!!!!" vibes. it doesn't typically feel forced to me, more purposeful. it doesn't make me like him or his content any less, and almost more for how much thought he seems to put into this. dan does this too, in his own way, but phil's formula seems much more carefully calculated to me. anyway i don't think it's ingenuine, just him trying to make his mark on the world what he wants it to be. i actually admire that.

yay rambles! i feel like i strayed from my point completely but i've been quietly lurking for a while and missed posting.

[alittledizzy]

But ANYWAY I think that a lot of young viewers find Dan cool and edgy, but as we grow older, we tone down, become more mature, stop thinking that black and negativity is cool, and become kinder, more aware, and stop caring so much what others think.

I'd actually argue that Dan himself has outgrown that somewhat, too; certainly the black and negativity to an extent that it was part of his brand. It may take a while for viewer perception to align with who Dan outwardly is now but I think that shift will come.

Just the same as there will come a point where people realize that Phil might always censor graphic language on his channel but he's not actually being childlike himself, and that he does have a personality - just because it's not as loud as Dan's doesn't mean it's not there. In fact, I think Phil's personality is far more clear cut than Dan because (as llion beat me to saying) you know exactly what Phil wants out of making videos - to make people, his audience, smile. Phil doesn't need to narrate his thoughts and process to it. He knows what he's doing on youtube, and so do we. What does Dan want out of making videos? What is his goal towards us as an audience? Who the hell knows. Dan certainly doesn't.