Other YouTubers thread

[esso]

In my opinion, Dodie's voice is too weak of a singer. Her channel is kind of cute but I couldn't really get into it. Even Jack Howard was a better singer than her in their collaboration LOL.

A bit off topic (but kind of related to Dodie):

I really enjoyed her song with Tom Rosenthal "Years Years Bears". It's got an Alt-J + Of Monsters and Men kind of vibe.

Anyone listen to Tom Rosenthal? I really love his stuff. His music has been used by Bertie Gilbert, Will Darbyshire, Adrian Bliss etc.

[daphenaxa]

yes my favourite song by Tom Rosenthal is this

[spaceguitar]

i'll be honest and say i can't really imagine a collab working tbh. she kind of mumbles and makes sounds and stuff and it wouldnt work with the very direct dinof speaking
she's very 'i miss 2007 youtube i miss meeting in fields !!' and twee and 'omg tea and glasses!!' and... dull. i see why she's popular on tumblr, she's got that smol bean flower crown twenty one pilots fairy lights thing thats kind of popular. i find her videos really irritating and dont really like her singing, and since my only other knowledge of her was from a couple of weeks ago when she put a video of a guy on a train on twitter without him knowing because she thought he was hot... not really a positive view.

I'm surprised that you find her dull. She's kind of reserved in a certain way, like doesn't have an in-your-face personality. Still I like her sense of humor, and she's a bit self-deprecating (like Dan) which I always love. Also I love her taste in music, and her covers are exactly the way that covers should be done (full of emotion rather than showing off your vocal range).

[blueapple_x]

this is relevant i guess. I am very surprised he would say that honestly. maybe dan said that to make the girl who asked happy or maybe he really likes doddie but that's funny he never mentioned her before or tried to contact her as far as we know

Tbh I'm kind of skeptical about the credibility of this. Not saying it's not possible but I'd be surprised if Dan would actually say something like that about someone from that circle of friends. Plus he doesn't even follow her on twitter.

[NarrysCanary]

this is relevant i guess. I am very surprised he would say that honestly. maybe dan said that to make the girl who asked happy or maybe he really likes doddie but that's funny he never mentioned her before or tried to contact her as far as we know

Tbh I'm kind of skeptical about the credibility of this. Not saying it's not possible but I'd be surprised if Dan would actually say something like that about someone from that circle of friends. Plus he doesn't even follow her on twitter.

That's what I thought too, he doesn't talk about other youtubers like that saying they're "his favourite youtubers" (unless he's talking about Phil )

[DryCereal]

this is relevant i guess. I am very surprised he would say that honestly. maybe dan said that to make the girl who asked happy or maybe he really likes doddie but that's funny he never mentioned her before or tried to contact her as far as we know

Tbh I'm kind of skeptical about the credibility of this. Not saying it's not possible but I'd be surprised if Dan would actually say something like that about someone from that circle of friends. Plus he doesn't even follow her on twitter.

That's what I thought too, he doesn't talk about other youtubers like that saying they're "his favourite youtubers" (unless he's talking about Phil )

It's also possible he gave a response similar to in the LS when Emma was mentioned and somehow she hasn't picked up on the withering sarcasm... unlikely, but makes me giggle.
Of course...

[spaceguitar]

He might like her content, and when someone brought her up to him hoping for a positive response, been like, 'Oh Dodie- she's one of my favorites!'. Also sidenote: she's one of my faves right now. As you guys said, she has such a cute and lowkey channel. I wouldn't find t such a stretch for Dan to be enjoying her content.

[alittledizzy]

I'm such a sucker for peeling back the curtain. Fleur de Force's latest video is a total #spon video but I think it's well does, she goes through her day as a youtuber from the business end of it. There's nothing really groundbreaking in it but it's satisfying for me to watch a youtuber really actually working during a vlog.



(For the actual behind the scenes stuff skip to about six minutes in.)

[internetakeover]

I'm such a sucker for peeling back the curtain. Fleur de Force's latest video is a total #spon video but I think it's well does, she goes through her day as a youtuber from the business end of it. There's nothing really groundbreaking in it but it's satisfying for me to watch a youtuber really actually working during a vlog.

(For the actual behind the scenes stuff skip to about six minutes in.)

That was really interesting! I love Fleur generally, so it was great to see a YouTuber I perceive as pretty honest doing something like this.

The one thing I found particularly interesting from that - though I enjoyed the whole vid - was Fleur referring to YouTube as a career and sounding like she was trusting her future to it, where I'm not sure I've heard such certainty from any other YTers before? Of course, she does seem relatively privileged/rich and can maybe afford to take more of a chance on that, but I do see YTers - mostly thinking of D&P tbh - still saying that anything could happen in five years etc, and not seeming to trust their future to YT in that way because they perhaps respect the bizarre way this job rose, and imagine that it can disappear just as quickly, so it's interesting to see Fleur - who also started in 2009 - saying that she's recently started to trust that longevity more! (the mention I'm thinking of is around 4:25) Beauty vlogging is admittedly a pretty different sphere from what D&P do, with more brand involvement, but it was still interesting to me!

[phamnotof]

this is relevant i guess. I am very surprised he would say that honestly. maybe dan said that to make the girl who asked happy or maybe he really likes doddie but that's funny he never mentioned her before or tried to contact her as far as we know

Tbh I'm kind of skeptical about the credibility of this. Not saying it's not possible but I'd be surprised if Dan would actually say something like that about someone from that circle of friends. Plus he doesn't even follow her on twitter.

That's what I thought too, he doesn't talk about other youtubers like that saying they're "his favourite youtubers" (unless he's talking about Phil )

It's also possible he gave a response similar to in the LS when Emma was mentioned and somehow she hasn't picked up on the withering sarcasm... unlikely, but makes me giggle.
Of course...

Maybe he watched her officially coming out as bisexual despite never really being in the closet side channel video that was literally posted the day before this interaction & fell in love with her like I did. I mean, a longshot, but you never know.

[rizzo]

Does anyone here watch Cereal Time? I love both Charlie and Jimmy, so I turn it on as background noise while I do my makeup most mornings.

I ask because, idk if it's just me, but it feels like they had no plan before starting the show. Like... every day's topic feels like a desperate grab at something to talk about and generally it's extremely shallow. I compare them a lot with GMM in my mind and that really brings out the lack of depth in their content. I mean, they literally just did an episode about their favorite books.

IDK. Wanted to vent a bit, because I feel like the show had untapped possibility.

[Anonymousse]

[vincentian]

Does anyone here watch Cereal Time? I love both Charlie and Jimmy, so I turn it on as background noise while I do my makeup most mornings.

I ask because, idk if it's just me, but it feels like they had no plan before starting the show. Like... every day's topic feels like a desperate grab at something to talk about and generally it's extremely shallow. I compare them a lot with GMM in my mind and that really brings out the lack of depth in their content. I mean, they literally just did an episode about their favorite books.

IDK. Wanted to vent a bit, because I feel like the show had untapped possibility.

I watch Cereal Time sometimes, mostly because I also love Charlie and Jimmy (and they are much better presenters than D&P imo), not for the subjects they choose.. The episodes with guests were nice though. Back on GG felucca linked to a podcast episode where they talk about the show. Iirc it's Hank Green's project (he's the producer), they spend only 3 days a week on the show, planning on Monday and Tuesday and filming all week’s episodes on Wednesday. And they have a very small team, including them, producer Josh and (one?) other assistant. So for the amount of effort it’s not a bad result I suppose, but I agree the topics could be more interesting. I guess they're not motivated financially to put in more effort and they are both involved in their own projects/jobs.

[bee]

Does anyone here watch Cereal Time? I love both Charlie and Jimmy, so I turn it on as background noise while I do my makeup most mornings.

I ask because, idk if it's just me, but it feels like they had no plan before starting the show. Like... every day's topic feels like a desperate grab at something to talk about and generally it's extremely shallow. I compare them a lot with GMM in my mind and that really brings out the lack of depth in their content. I mean, they literally just did an episode about their favorite books.

IDK. Wanted to vent a bit, because I feel like the show had untapped possibility.

I watch Cereal Time sometimes, mostly because I also love Charlie and Jimmy (and they are much better presenters than D&P imo), not for the subjects they choose.. The episodes with guests were nice though. Back on GG felucca linked to a podcast episode where they talk about the show. Iirc it's Hank Green's project (he's the producer), they spend only 3 days a week on the show, planning on Monday and Tuesday and filming all week’s episodes on Wednesday. And they have a very small team, including them, producer Josh and (one?) other assistant. So for the amount of effort it’s not a bad result I suppose, but I agree the topics could be more interesting. I guess they're not motivated financially to put in more effort and they are both involved in their own projects/jobs.

Hank also recently said in this video that Cereal Time is not taking off like they hoped/thought it would, and is expensive to make? Not sure how that fits into this but.

[rizzo]

Does anyone here watch Cereal Time? I love both Charlie and Jimmy, so I turn it on as background noise while I do my makeup most mornings.

I ask because, idk if it's just me, but it feels like they had no plan before starting the show. Like... every day's topic feels like a desperate grab at something to talk about and generally it's extremely shallow. I compare them a lot with GMM in my mind and that really brings out the lack of depth in their content. I mean, they literally just did an episode about their favorite books.

IDK. Wanted to vent a bit, because I feel like the show had untapped possibility.

I watch Cereal Time sometimes, mostly because I also love Charlie and Jimmy (and they are much better presenters than D&P imo), not for the subjects they choose.. The episodes with guests were nice though. Back on GG felucca linked to a podcast episode where they talk about the show. Iirc it's Hank Green's project (he's the producer), they spend only 3 days a week on the show, planning on Monday and Tuesday and filming all week’s episodes on Wednesday. And they have a very small team, including them, producer Josh and (one?) other assistant. So for the amount of effort it’s not a bad result I suppose, but I agree the topics could be more interesting. I guess they're not motivated financially to put in more effort and they are both involved in their own projects/jobs.

Hank also recently said in this video that Cereal Time is not taking off like they hoped/thought it would, and is expensive to make? Not sure how that fits into this but.

Wow! Thanks for the insight, guys. That's sad and I wouldn't be surprised if it's heading swiftly towards a cancellation of sorts.

I really do think it has promise and agree that Jimmy and Charlie are excellent presenters, so I wonder if there's anyway to revive the show. First step being the reliance on cereal-related content. You can have a "cereal time" show without needing cereal news etc. But perhaps vincentian's right and the motivation isn't there.

[DryCereal]

Pewds' Diamond button saga is keeping me entertained, especially since @SWatercolour seems to be making a series of it!

[Ticia]

Random thought: Dan and Phil interactions remind me more often than not of Mark Miller and Ethan Hethcote's (minus the gym time, healthy cuisine...and puppy).

[corn flakes]

Ticia I used to watch them like a year ago! still love them but I'm not up to date with them, how are they? did E graduate? I tried to watch one of their videos now but they don't capture me like once.

If you mean that both have a lovely relationship, love to tease each other but are super supportive of each other yes.

[Ticia]

Ticia I used to watch them like a year ago! still love them but I'm not up to date with them, how are they? did E graduate? I tried to watch one of their videos now but they don't capture me like once.

If you mean that both have a lovely relationship, love to tease each other but are super supportive of each other yes.

I'm about to be like a proud grandma who embarrasses you in front of adults, so better click on the spoiler

I get what you say: Mark has adopted a really artsy method of vlogging, which it's not everybody's cup of tea but I think it's quite interesting. If they ever come to Europe, I'd love to see a collab of sorts Mark + PJ . They're as adorable as always, got a puppy, moved to another flat, travel a lot and Ethan just finished uni, about to have his ceremony I'm guessing.

[mez29]

beckie0 on why she's not called beckie0 any more, interesting in light of Dan's URL change/potential 'rebranding' (although some of the issues she brings up aren't things that would affect Dan as one of the biggest YouTubers).

also, opinions on beckie0, anyone? I think she was the first YouTuber I subscribed to although I'm increasingly underwhelmed by her content these days

[fancybum]

This was cute (and there was a whisk mention at the very very end).

And this seems like a pretty big deal but I didn't see anyone mention it yet:

I mean I guess there's not much to talk about until more specific details come out (like what kinds of projects and what his role will be in them) but still. Pretty big, good for him.

[fancybum]

Sorry to double post, but I just watched Thomas Sanders new Q&A video and this response caught my attention:

Question: Do you support the LGBTQ+ community?

Answer: The answer to that is a big ‘heck yes’ because I absolutely love that community. I think that they need a lot more representation in traditional media and one of the best blessings that I have been granted has been a platform where I can at least do my part in bringing representation. So I love having vines that feature the LGBTQ+ community because I love all of you guys so much and I just appreciate all of the support I have been given from that community. I want to support you guys back.

"they need"/ "you guys"/ "that community"

Soo glaringly carefully worded to not include himself, I don't get it. Granted I've only started keeping up with him since that vine with D&P, but through my limited travels I've learned that he's not explicitly 'out' in anyway, buuuut...


Leo choreographed/performed a dance for his birthday:

Like this isn't the social media of a closeted person (obligatory 'phan would never'), so I was surprised by the way he responded to that question. Maybe even disappointed? I know there are non-straight youtubers (and viners probably) who aren't complete garbage (I'm thinking mostly of Matt Lush with that statement), but they don't really do it for me. Sorry, but I don't care about Rose & Rosie, or that other male couple whose names I forget. They're nice or whatever, but I don't really watch daily vloggers, I find them boring. I just don't care. What am I even complaining about right now, let me think.
Oh I'm having a breakdown apparently, fair warning:

I've been getting pissed off with a lot of stuff on twitter lately, I think since #GiveCaptainAmericaABoyfriend trended and people pushed back all like 'there are already gay superheroes, stick with them' (we all know alllll those gay superheroes ) or the basic sentiment of 'go create your own gay stuff and leave our normal stuff alone'. Which is dumb to apply here because YTers aren't fiction, I know. But I think my thought process is basically the same in both situations, like... I don't want to have to go off to some special gay-zone, I want the content I enjoy already to actually reflect real life. So include gay/whatever characters in 'normal stuff' because that's reflective of real life you pile of close-minded assholes and with YT... just be gay if you're gay! And I KNOW that's stupid because it's so easy for me to say as somebody not in any kind of public eye (and even hypocritical when looking at my own life) but it makes me sad?frustrated? that we all can't just be what we are and say it and have other people accept it. Because there's always more to it and life is basically shit at the end of the day because people are shit. #peptalk

Going off on a weird tangent sorry: if D&P came out (not even as a couple, just separately OUT) but basically kept their content the same while being more free to mention possible day-to-day struggles related to sexuality (not even struggles, good things, ANYthing)... I'd die of happiness. Like Dan's tweet about that trucker calling Eurovision 'queer'; imagine if in a liveshow Dan actually discussed that moment and whether he felt a bit uncomfortable at that man's usage of the term y'know (that feeling of.. oh, not among 'friends' right now..)? Or if Phil elaborated on that grumpy asshole guy on that flight actually being homophobic towards him/them. I like Jimmy & Chris just doing their own thing, being out, but it having nothing to do with their content. Like it's not some awful secret hidden away that they never mention, it comes up when it's relevant, and it's fine. idk. This is barely even about Sanders, he and everybody can do whatever they want. But man the world just seems so bleak sometimes. Gah I'll stop now, sorry you read this lol.

But like.. why wouldn't he just say he's part of the community?

[Anonymousse]

also, opinions on beckie0, anyone? I think she was the first YouTuber I subscribed to although I'm increasingly underwhelmed by her content these days

Love her, have been subscribed to her for a while.

Some of her videos are more interesting than others and I love how she went from basically not spending much on beauty products(makeup and skincare) to working @ Lush and trying out so many things.

[internetakeover]

Sorry to double post, but I just watched Thomas Sanders new Q&A video and this response caught my attention:

Question: Do you support the LGBTQ+ community?

Answer: The answer to that is a big ‘heck yes’ because I absolutely love that community. I think that they need a lot more representation in traditional media and one of the best blessings that I have been granted has been a platform where I can at least do my part in bringing representation. So I love having vines that feature the LGBTQ+ community because I love all of you guys so much and I just appreciate all of the support I have been given from that community. I want to support you guys back.

"they need"/ "you guys"/ "that community"

Soo glaringly carefully worded to not include himself, I don't get it. Granted I've only started keeping up with him since that vine with D&P, but through my limited travels I've learned that he's not explicitly 'out' in anyway, buuuut...


Leo choreographed/performed a dance for his birthday:

Like this isn't the social media of a closeted person (obligatory 'phan would never'), so I was surprised by the way he responded to that question. Maybe even disappointed? I know there are non-straight youtubers (and viners probably) who aren't complete garbage (I'm thinking mostly of Matt Lush with that statement), but they don't really do it for me. Sorry, but I don't care about Rose & Rosie, or that other male couple whose names I forget. They're nice or whatever, but I don't really watch daily vloggers, I find them boring. I just don't care. What am I even complaining about right now, let me think.
Oh I'm having a breakdown apparently, fair warning:

I've been getting pissed off with a lot of stuff on twitter lately, I think since #GiveCaptainAmericaABoyfriend trended and people pushed back all like 'there are already gay superheroes, stick with them' (we all know alllll those gay superheroes ) or the basic sentiment of 'go create your own gay stuff and leave our normal stuff alone'. Which is dumb to apply here because YTers aren't fiction, I know. But I think my thought process is basically the same in both situations, like... I don't want to have to go off to some special gay-zone, I want the content I enjoy already to actually reflect real life. So include gay/whatever characters in 'normal stuff' because that's reflective of real life you pile of close-minded assholes and with YT... just be gay if you're gay! And I KNOW that's stupid because it's so easy for me to say as somebody not in any kind of public eye (and even hypocritical when looking at my own life) but it makes me sad?frustrated? that we all can't just be what we are and say it and have other people accept it. Because there's always more to it and life is basically shit at the end of the day because people are shit. #peptalk

Going off on a weird tangent sorry: if D&P came out (not even as a couple, just separately OUT) but basically kept their content the same while being more free to mention possible day-to-day struggles related to sexuality (not even struggles, good things, ANYthing)... I'd die of happiness. Like Dan's tweet about that trucker calling Eurovision 'queer'; imagine if in a liveshow Dan actually discussed that moment and whether he felt a bit uncomfortable at that man's usage of the term y'know (that feeling of.. oh, not among 'friends' right now..)? Or if Phil elaborated on that grumpy asshole guy on that flight actually being homophobic towards him/them. I like Jimmy & Chris just doing their own thing, being out, but it having nothing to do with their content. Like it's not some awful secret hidden away that they never mention, it comes up when it's relevant, and it's fine. idk. This is barely even about Sanders, he and everybody can do whatever they want. But man the world just seems so bleak sometimes. Gah I'll stop now, sorry you read this lol.

But like.. why wouldn't he just say he's part of the community?

I found that odd too! Especially as he said he loved Leo in the video you linked, his last video - though there wasn't any clear context (which I did notice at the time), Leo was a separate 'thank you and I love you' than his friends, so it didn't seem like he was actively hiding their relationship. He replied to an ask asking how gay he was with 'like, 15 gay' a few days ago, has reblogged a 'couple aesthetic' post and tagged it 'me and Leo', and even featured Leo in his vine as his boyfriend, so yeah, I was pretty surprised. He really doesn't seem to be in the closet, but I guess his YouTube is a bigger platform (with the vine reading fine as a 'joke' and only really being significant as part of that larger picture) and he only wants to be out to people following him on social media/who actually care about him so he doesn't have to deal with any possible backlash/making a (YT) media story and that rush of attention? idk.

I'm with you on the 'maybe disappointed' front too, just b/c I thought he was out and suddenly not so much. I don't mean to say that I'm disappointed in him, b/c obviously it's entirely his choice, no one has to come out, especially if they're a public figure etc etc, but it definitely sat oddly with me for him to actively talk around it and imply that he wasn't a member of the community like that, when his social media paints such a different picture.

And a million to your below the spoiler stuff!

[corn flakes]

Ticia I used to watch them like a year ago! still love them but I'm not up to date with them, how are they? did E graduate? I tried to watch one of their videos now but they don't capture me like once.

If you mean that both have a lovely relationship, love to tease each other but are super supportive of each other yes.

I'm about to be like a proud grandma who embarrasses you in front of adults, so better click on the spoiler

I get what you say: Mark has adopted a really artsy method of vlogging, which it's not everybody's cup of tea but I think it's quite interesting. If they ever come to Europe, I'd love to see a collab of sorts Mark + PJ . They're as adorable as always, got a puppy, moved to another flat, travel a lot and Ethan just finished uni, about to have his ceremony I'm guessing.

Thanks! I would love to see that collab